TinMan's left peg Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Makes our transition of fans around the new stadium look very smooth https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/12/west-ham-united-fans-want-action-london-stadium-segregation-problems-police-presence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Paying the price for leaving a traditional football stadium for an athletics stadium where the operators don't have a clue. Sounds like very poor stewarding. Oh well, the bubble has been burst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 13, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Was with a West Ham season ticket holder on Sunday, he said it is a complete nightmare Due to the contract, WHU were not able to take their own stewards with them, and they have to use the ones employed by the athletics stadium - of course the type of crowd they deal with are polar opposites so straight away you are going to have issues Another problem, like many other grounds Upton Park had areas where people stand to watch the game, without thinking where they moved supporters to all corners of the new ground and of course they are in amongst people that choose to sit down and watch the game The rake of the seating is very shallow as well, so as at AG8 if someone stood two rows infront you will normally be able to see around / over them, at WHU it is described as being at least FIVE rows before you can see over someone. Two things that amazed me, the first, just like our new concourse, as the ground was built for athletics there is no segregation under the stadium at all, you can walk all the way around the ground if you choose to, of course they are going to get a game where there is going to be trouble, there are so few stewards in the area that they are nowhere near enough in numbers to deal with a serious problem. The other odd thing is the policing, they are not in the ground (nothing unusual about that), but they also keep a certain distance away from the outside of the stadium, leaving stewards to police the area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 good they get what they deserve for the dodgy deal, I hope the police reduce the capacity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Cigar Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 The views from the back end of their upper tiers can't be great. They're further away from the action due to the running track. They've clearly not thought this through at all. Part of the problem, actually a big part, is they've had to abide by certain rules as the stadium's been given to them. Newham Council is being very strict on standing and the club have got very little room for manoeuvre. Essentially, they seem to have little say over anything. Re: the standing issue, I'm amazed (in a good way) that almost every club where there's persistent standing (i.e. most of them in the top 2 divisions) hasn't been fined and threatened with closure on 'elf n safety grounds. Maybe councils have obviously given up. West Ham are also lucky that their first two home leagues were against Bournemouth and Watford. Not clubs known for having troublemakers. Big problems for them to sort out. And you can bet Spurs will be watching very closely and look how not to do things. Their proposed new ground looks incredible. To be honest, West Ham's ground seems to lack the intimacy of a football ground. Hopefully we'll get to experience it at some point in the not too distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonboy Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 One or two National newspapers asking this morning, how much it's going to cost the taxpayer to separate WH fans from each other! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinMan's left peg Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 42 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said: The views from the back end of their upper tiers can't be great. They're further away from the action due to the running track. They've clearly not thought this through at all. Part of the problem, actually a big part, is they've had to abide by certain rules as the stadium's been given to them. Newham Council is being very strict on standing and the club have got very little room for manoeuvre. Essentially, they seem to have little say over anything. Re: the standing issue, I'm amazed (in a good way) that almost every club where there's persistent standing (i.e. most of them in the top 2 divisions) hasn't been fined and threatened with closure on 'elf n safety grounds. Maybe councils have obviously given up. West Ham are also lucky that their first two home leagues were against Bournemouth and Watford. Not clubs known for having troublemakers. Big problems for them to sort out. And you can bet Spurs will be watching very closely and look how not to do things. Their proposed new ground looks incredible. To be honest, West Ham's ground seems to lack the intimacy of a football ground. Hopefully we'll get to experience it at some point in the not too distant future. The standing issue is ridiculous. If they're not going to enforce the rules anyway then make it official and safe rather than this system of turning a blind eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 13, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 47 minutes ago, Ashtonboy said: One or two National newspapers asking this morning, how much it's going to cost the taxpayer to separate WH fans from each other! But that is down to what I said above, their was no consultation about moving supporters across en masse - so people that stood before are now in with people that didn't Add to that stewards that aren't used to dealing with anything more than showing someone to their seat, is a recipe for problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Just read that the police told west ham in October 2014 unless there is a suitable radio system in place no police officers will be allowed in ground. The owners of ground new this and have done nothing. Its like watching a car crash before it happens , what happens when spurs , arsenal , man utd or millwall in the cup visit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 27 minutes ago, Spoons said: Just read that the police told west ham in October 2014 unless there is a suitable radio system in place no police officers will be allowed in ground. The owners of ground new this and have done nothing. Its like watching a car crash before it happens , what happens when spurs , arsenal , man utd or millwall in the cup visit? The owners (us apparently, or 'taxpayers') claim it is the responsibility of the police to install it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Was always going to happen. You can bet your life a good 10k of those season tickets sold havn't really gone to west ham fans, most likely neutral's and daytrippers copping a cheap season ticket.. West Ham don't generally have that size of fanbase IMO and it will show next season when i bet they struggle to sell anywhere near what they have this season.. Mix the daytrippers in with the traditional hammers fans that want to stand all game and it was inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 6 hours ago, Fat Cigar said: West Ham are also lucky that their first two home leagues were against Bournemouth and Watford. Not clubs known for having troublemakers. You say that but after the game against Bournemouth it was kicking off. Check youtube, it goes on for a good few minutes, bearing in mind it is literally just outside the ground, there's no one there to stop it. And when a few stewards do turn up they don't have a clue what to do. Not sure when Man Utd turn up but you know for sure there's a good chance that day will be carnage if nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinMan's left peg Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 56 minutes ago, Spoons said: Just read that the police told west ham in October 2014 unless there is a suitable radio system in place no police officers will be allowed in ground. The owners of ground new this and have done nothing. Its like watching a car crash before it happens , what happens when spurs , arsenal , man utd or millwall in the cup visit? I saw that too, looks like all parties are trying to get their excuses in early whilst blaming each other. In the current state it looks pretty worrying for when the bigger teams and rivals show up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 13, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Spoons said: Just read that the police told west ham in October 2014 unless there is a suitable radio system in place no police officers will be allowed in ground. The owners of ground new this and have done nothing. Its like watching a car crash before it happens , what happens when spurs , arsenal , man utd or millwall in the cup visit? Senior officers have turned down a request from West Ham to police their stadium on matchdays - because the £700m ground does not have a "satisfactory" radio system. The club requested a police presence in the ground after crowd trouble. The Hammers only moved to the London Stadium at the start of the season. "Until there is comprehensive radio coverage officers will not be routinely deployed within it," said the Metropolitan Police's Peter Terry. Mr Terry, who is deputy assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police and in charge of specialist crime and operations, added: "The stadium operators are responsible for the safety and comfort of their customers and staff. "This issue was highlighted to the stadium operators in October 2014 and the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) has been in negotiation with stadium operators regarding the provision of Airwave radio inside the stadium. "During this time, the MPS had spoken to the stadium operators several times to highlight the consequences of not installing such a system. "The MPS is not able to provide Special Policing Services at this time as it would normally, as there is no satisfactory radio system across the ground." A stadium spokesman said a decision to install Airwave was "reached in March 2016" and that the procurement and installation of the system "is the responsibility of the police". He added: "We have fully co-operated and will facilitate any access they require to carry this out. "The safety of the stadium is paramount and all safety plans are agreed in advance by the police and if there were any significant concerns the stadium would not be licensed." In response, the Metropolitan Police said it commissioned Airwave to complete the required work in May, and added that it is working with the company to "ensure this work is completed as quickly as possible". All of Great Britain's emergency services and more than 300 public safety organisations use the Airwave radio system to communicate. West Ham confirmed that 10 fans were ejected from the stadium during the 4-2 defeat by Watford on Saturday, and there were more disturbances during the first home Premier League game against Bournemouth last month. West Ham are tenants at the London Stadium, which is owned by E20 and was built to host the 2012 London Olympics. E20 says it is addressing the recent trouble. Documents released last year showed the taxpayer - not the club - would foot the bill for much of the matchday operating costs, including security. Analysis - BBC sports editor Dan Roan "A blame game is now developing over the violent scenes at West Ham's new home. The club says the stadium's owners and matchday operator need to bolster policing, stewarding and segregation. "However, it has also been suggested that West Ham could have done more to plan segregated family and singing sections, rather than prioritising the sale of season tickets, with the mix of traditional supporters and thousands of new fans thought to have led to tension." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrytheb Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Only in the world of football would anyone look to blame the police for idiots fighting. If footie 'fans' didn't fight with each other then police wouldn't be needed. Until fans grow up mentally and/or clubs get points deducted these issues will continue to exist. It's west hams owners that denied any trouble at the Utd match last season and then went on to blame Utd for leaving to arrive at the ground the same time they always have. The club and some of it's supporters are a blight on football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 It's a real shame for their supporters - going from a traditional, authentic and atmospheric stadium to the epitome of soulless bowl. Really feel for them because Upton Park was a great ground. Looks like really poor planning and now people have bought season tickets issues like standing and moving people around aren't easy to resolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 On 13/09/2016 at 18:06, bris red said: Was always going to happen. You can bet your life a good 10k of those season tickets sold havn't really gone to west ham fans, most likely neutral's and daytrippers copping a cheap season ticket.. West Ham don't generally have that size of fanbase IMO and it will show next season when i bet they struggle to sell anywhere near what they have this season.. Mix the daytrippers in with the traditional hammers fans that want to stand all game and it was inevitable. Good job they only sold 2 year season tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 who has moved into Upton Park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claverham_Red Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 3 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said: who has moved into Upton Park? Will be knocked down and 100s of flats will be built. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36170590 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11939589/Barratt-Homes-in-league-with-Galliard-to-transform-West-Hams-Upton-Park-into-flats.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 15, 2016 Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, Clevedon_Red said: Will be knocked down and 100s of flats will be built. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36170590 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11939589/Barratt-Homes-in-league-with-Galliard-to-transform-West-Hams-Upton-Park-into-flats.html so there's no going back… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted September 17, 2016 Report Share Posted September 17, 2016 On 15 September 2016 at 19:53, Clevedon_Red said: Will be knocked down and 100s of flats will be built. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36170590 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11939589/Barratt-Homes-in-league-with-Galliard-to-transform-West-Hams-Upton-Park-into-flats.html I wonder what proportion of the stadium sale will be given back to public funds after West Ham hit the jackpot with their new, fully subsidised relocation? I'm sure it will be £0. They'll keep the proceeds for themselves, buy some more expensive players and further distort the transfer market. This is going to be an unpopular statement but I actually like the blue few more than the bubble blowers. There, I've said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 18, 2016 Report Share Posted September 18, 2016 44 minutes ago, Xiled said: I wonder what proportion of the stadium sale will be given back to public funds after West Ham hit the jackpot with their new, fully subsidised relocation? I'm sure it will be £0. They'll keep the proceeds for themselves, buy some more expensive players and further distort the transfer market. This is going to be an unpopular statement but I actually like the blue few more than the bubble blowers. There, I've said it. Of course it'll be £0. The club are a business. They don't have an obligation to be 'ethical'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 19, 2016 Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 That is an interesting thing. I read they don't have police there?? I mean, ******* they are getting yet more undeserved savings when set against our bills for police thing- worthy of a thread of its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 20, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 10 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: That is an interesting thing. I read they don't have police there?? I mean, ******* they are getting yet more undeserved savings when set against our bills for police thing- worthy of a thread of its own. True, but this is solely down to the fact that they can't get a private radio frequency within the ground for the police to utilise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 17 minutes ago, phantom said: True, but this is solely down to the fact that they can't get a private radio frequency within the ground for the police to utilise Well true. But police in the ground seems mandatory. Imagine we had no working system of radios would we be allowed to open AG on match days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 20, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 56 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well true. But police in the ground seems mandatory. Imagine we had no working system of radios would we be allowed to open AG on match days. Can only assume that this is because many clubs don't have any police in their grounds on a matchday But speaking with a WHU ST holder again on the weekend, some of the things going on at the ground, it amazed me their SAG have allowed them to open - though saying that they are still under some restrictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky89 Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 Has Upton Park been sold, or is it currently being sold? Heard a rumour that they could sensationally return and try to expand the capacity to 42,000 by developing a stand? Apparently it's beyond a nightmare situation? I have no reason to believe or not believe it, but definitely a talking point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted September 20, 2016 Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 It might need some work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 20, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 8 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: It might need some work... There was a plan that a disaster blockbuster would have a seen filmed here where one of the stands was demolished as part of a terrorist attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 20, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted September 20, 2016 9 hours ago, phantom said: There was a plan that a disaster blockbuster would have a seen filmed here where one of the stands was demolished as part of a terrorist attack Ironically it looks like the filming was tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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