And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 We never got going and too many players had average nights really. QPR were nothing special but still caused us problems although Fielding was never really tested. We had the two best chances of the game, other than their goal, but Abraham inexplicably hit his shot wide and Reid should have done better albeit Smithies saved well. A game of few chances and one goal was always going to win it. We weren't awful and did play it around very nicely at times. When we did we cut through them well but final balls were poor. Too often resorted to long balls Fielding - 7 - dealt with everything thrown at him. Saves were all regulation and had no chance with goal Matthews - 8 - everything that Little isn't. Composed on the ball. Some great saving tackles. Bryan - 5 - two poor games In a row for Joe. Reluctant to get forward and caught out a few times Flint - 7 - won everything in the air which unfortunately wasn't loads as QPR exposed Magnusson all game Magnusson - 4 - I think he lost every single header and was targeted throughout the game O'Neil - 6 - held the midfield together pretty well without ever really stamping authority Reid - 6 - very busy and it forward well when he could. Should have scored. Brownhill - 6 - harries and hurries opponents but never seems to dominate a midfield battle O'Dowda - 4 - nothing came off on the night. Rarely took his man on and despite getting into some good positions, had no end product Tomlin - 8 - MOTM - all the skills, flicks and tricks. Sometimes he looks too good for his teammates Abraham - 6 - battled bravely and was isolated as usual. What a miss. subs Pack - 7 - composed on the ball and did well going forward Wilbraham - 6 - put himself about well Freeman - 6 - not on long but looked bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Another game in which we went behind. We seem to be very slow getting into games these days. How many goals have we scored this season and how many have been in the first half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, RedDave said: We never got going and too many players had average nights really. QPR were nothing special but still caused us problems although Fielding was never really tested. We had the two best chances of the game, other than their goal, but Abraham inexplicably hit his shot wide and Reid should have done better albeit Smithies saved well. A game of few chances and one goal was always going to win it. We weren't awful and did play it around very nicely at times. When we did we cut through them well but final balls were poor. Too often resorted to long balls Fielding - 7 - dealt with everything thrown at him. Saves were all regulation and had no chance with goal Matthews - 8 - everything that Little isn't. Composed on the ball. Some great saving tackles. Bryan - 5 - two poor games In a row for Joe. Reluctant to get forward and caught out a few times Flint - 7 - won everything in the air which unfortunately wasn't loads as QPR exposed Magnusson all game Magnusson - 4 - I think he lost every single header and was targeted throughout the game O'Neil - 6 - held the midfield together pretty well without ever really stamping authority Reid - 6 - very busy and it forward well when he could. Should have scored. Brownhill - 6 - harries and hurries opponents but never seems to dominate a midfield battle O'Dowda - 4 - nothing came off on the night. Rarely took his man on and despite getting into some good positions, had no end product Tomlin - 8 - MOTM - all the skills, flicks and tricks. Sometimes he looks too good for his teammates Abraham - 6 - battled bravely and was isolated as usual. What a miss. subs Pack - 7 - composed on the ball and did well going forward Wilbraham - 6 - put himself about well Freeman - 6 - not on long but looked bright. And as is typical for sky, neither chance is shown in the highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, RedRaw said: And as is typical for sky, neither chance is shown in the highlights That's amazing! They had one good chance and scored. We had two and didn't. Fine margins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigratedRobin Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 At least it's 2 away defeats I suppose! Pretty ******* annoying, all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Very harsh on Magnusson for me, some good range of passing. Tomlin best player but not 8, though Brownhill was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Very harsh on Magnusson for me, some good range of passing. Tomlin best player but not 8, though Brownhill was poor. Agree on the passing but you can't lose every header as a centre back. He was used to launch their attacks. Needs to learn how to get off the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 40 minutes ago, RedDave said: We never got going and too many players had average nights really. QPR were nothing special but still caused us problems although Fielding was never really tested. We had the two best chances of the game, other than their goal, but Abraham inexplicably hit his shot wide and Reid should have done better albeit Smithies saved well. A game of few chances and one goal was always going to win it. We weren't awful and did play it around very nicely at times. When we did we cut through them well but final balls were poor. Too often resorted to long balls Fielding - 7 - dealt with everything thrown at him. Saves were all regulation and had no chance with goal Matthews - 8 - everything that Little isn't. Composed on the ball. Some great saving tackles. Bryan - 5 - two poor games In a row for Joe. Reluctant to get forward and caught out a few times Flint - 7 - won everything in the air which unfortunately wasn't loads as QPR exposed Magnusson all game Magnusson - 4 - I think he lost every single header and was targeted throughout the game O'Neil - 6 - held the midfield together pretty well without ever really stamping authority Reid - 6 - very busy and it forward well when he could. Should have scored. Brownhill - 6 - harries and hurries opponents but never seems to dominate a midfield battle O'Dowda - 4 - nothing came off on the night. Rarely took his man on and despite getting into some good positions, had no end product Tomlin - 8 - MOTM - all the skills, flicks and tricks. Sometimes he looks too good for his teammates Abraham - 6 - battled bravely and was isolated as usual. What a miss. subs Pack - 7 - composed on the ball and did well going forward Wilbraham - 6 - put himself about well Freeman - 6 - not on long but looked bright. Didn't see the match but have spoken to a few who were there. What have you been smoking? And what is your comment on Flinty when QPR scored the winning goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, RedDave said: Agree on the passing but you can't lose every header as a centre back. He was used to launch their attacks. Needs to learn how to get off the ground I think that their striker was exceptionally awkward in the air. Even Flint was struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 That was probably the worst performance of the season. Didn't look like a team that had played together much, tried to play a fast passing game but with players who were too loose with their passing or casual with their decision making. It is becoming a feature of performances when we are closed down quickly and pressed that we do not maintain composure and cannot play the sort of passing game LJ sets us out to play. We didn't string many passes together unless QPR made a mistake or were caught out of position. And generally QPR didn't make mistakes, were athletic, and far more alive to every second ball. Our game relies on passing and yet if we're put under pressure, O'Neil is the only one who can still play a simple ball with any composure in a game moving at speed. The rest of them really didn't get a grip of the game with the possible exception of Tomlin who worked his arse off, but too often picked the wrong ball himself too. Our full backs giving support is another feature of LJs game but both got pushed so deep they were virtual non-entities going forward (though Matthews I thought did well defensively). But the midfield bar O'Neil was a disaster and we can't keep changing the team and expecting to play with the level understanding that the LJ football requires. We want interplay and incision but have gone several games now with different midfield and attacking groups, none of whom have settled or got hold of the game and got to keep possession or build any passing rhythm. I actually think LJ does know his best team, so he is putting a real premium on fitness/freshness. O'Dowda is a long way behind the standard of Freeman (I know many will hate to admit it) and Brownhill is no Pack. When we play only one out and out striker (and Tammy is getting more and more isolated) you desperately need the other two attacking players to get hold of the ball in attacking positions. O'Dowda was lightweight and fizzled our quickly, while Tomlin led several smart breaks but got deeper and deeper the poorer the rest of the teams passing got. This isn't alarm bell time but it might be time to dust it off for standby. Either tactics didn't work or players cannot execute the tactics, and did don't have a Plan B besides adding a striker and going more direct. We did not have many quality crosses and did not create any situations where we worked clear chances besides Reid x 2 in the second half, both where QPR gave the ball away. On the other hand Fielding had to make a load of saves to keep the score to 1-0. Overall we did not affect or deserve anything from the game. My reading of the starting 11 and performance is LJ thought QPR would be easier than they were for any 11 of ours to generate a reaction to the Cardiff defeat against. He was doubly wrong - we didn't seem prepared for how QPR played and most of the players we started didn't do anywhere near enough to affect the game. Perhaps it's a good thing after all the recent good press, that we're down to earth with a bump and a lot to get sorted out. A word for the superfans we had tonight - didn't see your capes but please do us all a favour and grow up (or at least take a little less Coke and Natch). Hopefully someone who was there will know what I'm referring to. Fielding 8 Matthews 5 Bryan 5 Flint 5 Magnusson 5 O'Neil 7 Brownhill 4 (Pack 6) Reid 5 (Freeman 6) O'Dowda 4 (Wilbraham 5) Tomlin 6 Abraham 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Reid has a very bad dead leg and this could spell 2/4 weeks out! If the bruising has gone to the bone then maybe we could see another Henson (rugby) situation where he's sidelined for awhile! Could we play LT alongside TA? If so, could we play 442? FF AM AF HM SG JP KS GoN JB TA LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, Benni said: Didn't see the match but have spoken to a few who were there. What have you been smoking? And what is your comment on Flinty when QPR scored the winning goal? Are you disagreeing that Magnusson lost every header? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Really not convinced by O'Dowda, he's never doing enough in games, hence always being taken off when he starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, RedDave said: Are you disagreeing that Magnusson lost every header? I never said that. I'm wondering about the difference in ratings. Do you really think Flinty's performance tonight merited a 7? And Magnusson's a 4? And tell me what you think about Flinty's part in the winning goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Just now, Benni said: I never said that. I'm wondering about the difference in ratings. Do you really think Flinty's performance tonight merited a 7? And Magnusson's a 4? And tell me what you think about Flinty's part in the winning goal? I think Flint had a lot to deal with tonight and did most of it very well. Their goal was down the other end and I must admit to not getting a good view of Flint's role. The difference in ratings is clear - you cannot lose every header as a centre back and have a good game. Flint attacked balls and cleared danger. Magnusson did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 35 minutes ago, RedDave said: That's amazing! They had one good chance and scored. We had two and didn't. Fine margins. I'd love to see it again, but I didn't think Abraham's was as clear a chance, or one he did particularly badly in putting wide. He had a split second to connect with the loose ball and the keeper was in a decent position so I think he did well to avoid shooting straight at him or across him, and instead tried to curl the ball at speed so it swung back inside the near post. Didn't come back in quick enough but I understood what he was thinking. On Tomlin - agree he had some great touches and is full of invention, but personally for me he wasn't much better with some of his final balls or touches than the rest of them, no way he is an 8. I love his recent energy and hunger but as a team that was a 5/10 performance and a lot of that comes down to the poor passing, lack of understanding and failure to keep possession - Tomlin had some nice touches but ambitious and poor ones too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Dont think O'Dowda and Brownhill can be on the pitch at same time, especially if Reid is in there with them. Bryan needs a break. I like SG and think we look more solid with him at LB. People forget that we have so far been without our best player of the last couple of seasons and I think Smithy could be back in on Saturday. Agree with most on here that Tammy needs some help up front from the off and Wilbs needs to start Saturday. Just proves how well we have played prior to the last 2 games that we are still 6th and ahead of where we would have expected. 3 points at the fortress against Blackburn and we will be back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Olé said: I'd love to see it again, but I didn't think Abraham's was as clear a chance, or one he did particularly badly in putting wide. He had a split second to connect with the loose ball and the keeper was in a decent position so I think he did well to avoid shooting straight at him or across him, and instead tried to curl the ball at speed so it swung back inside the near post. Didn't come back in quick enough but I understood what he was thinking. On Tomlin - agree he had some great touches and is full of invention, but personally for me he wasn't much better with some of his final balls or touches than the rest of them, no way he is an 8. I love his recent energy and hunger but as a team that was a 5/10 performance and a lot of that comes down to the poor passing, lack of understanding and failure to keep possession - Tomlin had some nice touches but ambitious and poor ones too. I think Tomlin was heavily involved in everything good we did and it sounds like his goal was legitimate (not 100% sure on keepers effort mind you). I wish some of our other players were on Tomlin's wavelength. Don't understand your marking of Matthews who I thought was excellent. Going to watch the game again in a few days though. Glutton for punishment! I've seen a few people talk QPR up on here tonight. They were average at best I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 29 minutes ago, Benni said: I never said that. I'm wondering about the difference in ratings. Do you really think Flinty's performance tonight merited a 7? And Magnusson's a 4? And tell me what you think about Flinty's part in the winning goal? Seen goal again. How are you blaming Flint for that exactly??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 28 minutes ago, Sergio Georgini said: Really not convinced by O'Dowda, he's never doing enough in games, hence always being taken off when he starts. I think he has blown his chances, Lee has given him a couple of starts now and he's just not done enough... shame, as he looked good when playing in Front of Bryan for his first game. Claiming a starting team ultimately comes down to the player, and he failed to make his case. 18 minutes ago, RedDave said: I think Tomlin was heavily involved in everything good we did and it sounds like his goal was legitimate (not 100% sure on keepers effort mind you). I wish some of our other players were on Tomlin's wavelength. Don't understand your marking of Matthews who I thought was excellent. Going to watch the game again in a few days though. Glutton for punishment! I've seen a few people talk QPR up on here tonight. They were average at best I thought. Tomlin just needs that free role to roam wherever he wants sat behind Tammy... I think he can make things happen - it's just a shame atm we seem to be going backwards a little. But hey, we still have a good team, lot's of youngsters, and they probably still have their best performances to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattjtsmith Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Interesting the games that people see.... For me; Frankie: 7 - Some good saves, no chance.for the goal. Couple of awful kicks/ unneeded punches Matthews-8 Brilliant I thought, very promising. Flint - 5 Frustrated, couldn't get in to it. Magnusson - 7 Some ropey moments but 100% effort and made some great clearances/ tackles Bryan - 5 Purely for some good interceptions, ropey as hell otherwise! O Dowda 5 Not bad, made some runs but far too routine and easy to deal with O Neil 6 - Lost the ball a lot! Looked lost in the middle at times, some good tackles though. Brownhill 5 - Bloke next to me only realised he was on when he got subbed, says it all. Tomlin 7 - Really tried in a team offering not a lot. Frustrating night for him too though. Reid 6 - He's a real threat and always gives 100%. Just didn't seem to get in to it. I think he does best as a 2 in midfield, gets lost in his own role. Tammy 4 - Too weak, pushed about, out of position, alienated. Always a threat but not much of one tonight. Subs; Wilbs - 7. I love the bloke, think he is so underrated in the things he does to calm the team, command play, knock it down. Looked to get on the end of the ball when others didn't even bother. Freeman - 3 Think he touched it once or twice? Pack 6 - Didn't do much wrong, didn't do much right. Same as most really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REBS14 Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 Does anyone else think that by Johnson making these bulk changes regularly affects our confidence and team play ???? A stable and regular 11 surely has to be the objective ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchinRed Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 And what is it about our back passes? A couple of dodgy ones tonight from Flint and Magnusson really put Fielding under pressure. I wouldn't put any blame on Flint for the goal, and Reid seemed to do everything right when he got his chance, but was an excellent save. Not our night tonight, but in all honesty we were second best from start to end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, REBS14 said: Does anyone else think that by Johnson making these bulk changes regularly affects our confidence and team play ???? Yes! See my post further above. I can't help but feel that the quick passing football Johnson wants us to play, requires a level of understanding and empathy that is just not coming across in our performances every time we change the team. Time and again players are not reading one anothers decision making or timing. That probably takes time to develop and for that, playing the same team in the same formation is going to help. Like I said above, is LJ putting a premium on fitness/freshness above all else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 25 minutes ago, RedDave said: Seen goal again. How are you blaming Flint for that exactly??? I'm not blaming anyone specifically for the goal but Flint needs to be aware of the striker who's running behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 54 minutes ago, RedDave said: I think Flint had a lot to deal with tonight and did most of it very well. Their goal was down the other end and I must admit to not getting a good view of Flint's role. The difference in ratings is clear - you cannot lose every header as a centre back and have a good game. Flint attacked balls and cleared danger. Magnusson did not. As a centre back surely you can lose every (almost) header, just as a striker can miss all your chances. What I' m getting to here is your ridiculous difference in ratings as everyone who I have spoken to totally disagrees with these ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 22 minutes ago, Benni said: I'm not blaming anyone specifically for the goal but Flint needs to be aware of the striker who's running behind him. Yeah he should mark two players at once......goodness sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 19 minutes ago, Benni said: As a centre back surely you can lose every (almost) header, just as a striker can miss all your chances. What I' m getting to here is your ridiculous difference in ratings as everyone who I have spoken to totally disagrees with these ratings. Yes you can lose all your headers and if you do then you will have had a bad game! Same as if a striker misses lots of chances he's had a bad game too. Your friends might like Magnusson's passing (as I do) and perhaps it's blinding them to his faults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted October 18, 2016 Report Share Posted October 18, 2016 30 minutes ago, RedDave said: Yeah he should mark two players at once......goodness sake! NO, he should have been aware of the player behind him and be ready to stop the ball going past him, which he didn't. He was too busy doing nothing. 28 minutes ago, RedDave said: Yes you can lose all your headers and if you do then you will have had a bad game! Same as if a striker misses lots of chances he's had a bad game too. Your friends might like Magnusson's passing (as I do) and perhaps it's blinding them to his faults. Reid missed a great chance to make it 1-0 and he got a 6, Tammy missed a great chance and lost the ball in midfield which cost us the goal, and eventually the match and he got a 6. Magnusson lost headers but didn't have anything to do with the goal, he got a 4. You're talking out of your arse, that's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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