Shuffle Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 Apologies if I missed it but was he injured today as cannot believe he wasn't starting if he wasn't ? Bryan like the team had a great 20 mins but Golbourne has to play for me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 Absolutely. Not injured, only Korey and Franklie were according to Lee and a really poor decision to play Bryan if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Absolutely. Not injured, only Korey and Franklie were according to Lee and a really poor decision to play Bryan if you ask me. Thought Joe B was very good today. He has more in his locker than Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redapple Posted December 17, 2016 Report Share Posted December 17, 2016 JB started well but went missing after a few poor moments . Always does . Could be a brilliant player . Needs good man management/psychologist/mentor . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelboy Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 2 hours ago, shelts said: Thought Joe B was very good today. He has more in his locker than Scott Then you my friend don't have a clue! He was shit after 15 minutes (and that's being generous after two horrific crosses, then did **** all for the remaining 75) Did really well for their first goal as well Don't let the bloke cross etc! give me golbourne every day, an actual left back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, super slick said: Then you my friend don't have a clue! He was shit after 15 minutes (and that's being generous after two horrific crosses, then did **** all for the remaining 75) Did really well for their first goal as well Don't let the bloke cross etc! give me golbourne every day, an actual left back! Thought he was good compared to how awful he has been in previous games. I like Scott but he offers nowt going forward . And very true I have no clue, well spotted Sherlock!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelboy Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, shelts said: Thought he was good compared to how awful he has been in previous games. I like Scott but he offers nowt going forward . And very true I have no clue, well spotted Sherlock!! In all honesty what did Bryan offer going forward?? Not much at all! Although Golbourne isn't the most effective attacking full back, he isn't any worse than Bryan going forward and stays solid defensively! saying that, give me Cunningham over both of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 8 hours ago, super slick said: In all honesty what did Bryan offer going forward?? Not much at all! Although Golbourne isn't the most effective attacking full back, he isn't any worse than Bryan going forward and stays solid defensively! saying that, give me Cunningham over both of them! Bryan looked very decent bombing forward and put in some decent crosses but as others have said he faded out of the game especially in the second 45. At one point in the second half Reid played the ball into space on the left side expecting Bryan to be there. He wasn't............. With Golbourne you get a more reliable defender but without him getting forward as much as Bryan does. He doesn't provide the same attacking threat. Maybe that's what behind him not being in the squad yesterday. I cant see why LJ doesnt play Golbourne at LB and Bryan on the left of midfield in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Not hindsight as I've posted this a few times recently, I simply have no idea why he isn't playing. He is a 6/10, 7/10 Championship standard left back who concentrates mainly on what we currently struggle with, defending. However it has become clear this season (presumably because he didn't sign him), that he is one of LJ's obvious scapegoats and is dropped almost every time we lose a game or an alternative is available. We need strengthening in January but personally I don't think we need a new left back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Lee has no idea what he is doing when it comes to left back. If he does not rate the ones he has go and get a good solid left back as that is were a weakness is. Golborne is decent but is suffering because he is not getting a run of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 12 hours ago, shelts said: Thought Joe B was very good today. He has more in his locker than Scott I don't think we watched the same game. He was appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 9 hours ago, super slick said: Then you my friend don't have a clue! He was shit after 15 minutes (and that's being generous after two horrific crosses, then did **** all for the remaining 75) Did really well for their first goal as well Don't let the bloke cross etc! give me golbourne every day, an actual left back! No he was average after the first twenty minutes. Very good first twenty offering width and variety. Took players on and played crosses in first time. The other options do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 34 minutes ago, fishy said: I don't think we watched the same game. He was appalling. I see a good player in their , low on confidence but coming back to a little better form. Thought he has been a lot worse. Was he our worst player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 His confidence is shot. Not helped by apparently being a left back- wing back- winger- centre midfielder - right winger. SorryLJ you are partly to blame for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 Scott made a massive difference when we stayed up. He is a very safe pair of hands on the left and maybe a little underrated, Skuse the same, I don't think LJ rated him as a modern full back. Does the simple things right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 5 minutes ago, shelts said: I don't think LJ rated him as a modern full back. Does the simple things right . Think you hit the spot there. LJ is playing with no wide midfielders/ wingers. I suspect this is because the modern view is to flood central midfield and that will help you to dominate possession. This means you need your full backs to give you width and get in crosses. JB is therefore a better fit. Thought he did well for the first third of the game but once we went behind and players heads dropped he faded - but then they pretty much all did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Grovesy Posted December 18, 2016 Report Share Posted December 18, 2016 10 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: Think you hit the spot there. LJ is playing with no wide midfielders/ wingers. I suspect this is because the modern view is to flood central midfield and that will help you to dominate possession. This means you need your full backs to give you width and get in crosses. JB is therefore a better fit. Thought he did well for the first third of the game but once we went behind and players heads dropped he faded - but then they pretty much all did. Love to see crosses into the box but with only Tammy up front on his own, what's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 15 hours ago, robin_unreliant said: Think you hit the spot there. LJ is playing with no wide midfielders/ wingers. I suspect this is because the modern view is to flood central midfield and that will help you to dominate possession. This means you need your full backs to give you width and get in crosses. JB is therefore a better fit. Thought he did well for the first third of the game but once we went behind and players heads dropped he faded - but then they pretty much all did. Well we often dominate possession like we did Saturday but it's like an old gigolo impressing the ladies with his charm but in the bit that matters he int much use . ( This is not autobiographical ! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 Him and Bryan are terrible options. Need a LB in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 17 hours ago, Red Grovesy said: Love to see crosses into the box but with only Tammy up front on his own, what's the point? True. I don't see Tammy as physically strong enough yet to trouble big centre halves. He's got the height but not strength and that makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 22 hours ago, Robbored said: Bryan looked very decent bombing forward and put in some decent crosses but as others have said he faded out of the game especially in the second 45. At one point in the second half Reid played the ball into space on the left side expecting Bryan to be there. He wasn't............. With Golbourne you get a more reliable defender but without him getting forward as much as Bryan does. He doesn't provide the same attacking threat. Maybe that's what behind him not being in the squad yesterday. I cant see why LJ doesnt play Golbourne at LB and Bryan on the left of midfield in front of him. I have been saying that for weeks. It seems obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 43 minutes ago, REDOXO said: I have been saying that for weeks. It seems obvious. Someone said to me recently that he felt that LJ "over complicates what is a simple game" and that it's "analysis got mad" He may well have a point. I think we'd all be surprised if w saw a LJ team playing 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: True. I don't see Tammy as physically strong enough yet to trouble big centre halves. He's got the height but not strength and that makes a difference. But if Tammy wants to stay at Chelsea or many other prem teams he needs to play as one up front. Granted their midfielders and wide players bomb forward but how many Prem teams play two up front? Hopefully his strength will improve. Just hope he's not going to be another Caulker great with us but never reached the heights we all thought he would do. One of our issues is players play too deep. If Tomlin wants to play in the hole then he needs to play there not come back to our 18 yeard box and play from there. Back to the LB issue. I get the impression that Bryan does not like that position and is making a case (wrongly) that he wants to play more forward. I would start with Goldbourne and maybe use Bryan as a more impact sub to open up the final third of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otib118 Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Robbored said: Someone said to me recently that he felt that LJ "over complicates what is a simple game" and that it's "analysis got mad" He may well have a point. I think we'd all be surprised if w saw a LJ team playing 4-4-2. Ipswich and Huddersfield? Also the whole of Barnsley last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 33 minutes ago, otib118 said: Ipswich and Huddersfield? Also the whole of Barnsley last season? A) You missed my point B) I'd argue Ipswich and Huddersfield were 4-3-2-1 and 4-5-1........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 12/18/2016 at 11:34, shelts said: I see a good player in their , low on confidence but coming back to a little better form. Thought he has been a lot worse. Was he our worst player? Definitely, especially when they changed formation and he was constantly out of position. Compared to me he's an amazing player. Good enough for the Championship? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockneydave Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 On 12/18/2016 at 09:59, Robbored said: Bryan looked very decent bombing forward and put in some decent crosses but as others have said he faded out of the game especially in the second 45. At one point in the second half Reid played the ball into space on the left side expecting Bryan to be there. He wasn't............. With Golbourne you get a more reliable defender but without him getting forward as much as Bryan does. He doesn't provide the same attacking threat. Maybe that's what behind him not being in the squad yesterday. I cant see why LJ doesnt play Golbourne at LB and Bryan on the left of midfield in front of him. It wasn't a bad pass by Reid then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 34 minutes ago, cockneydave said: It wasn't a bad pass by Reid then? Reid didn't look before he layed the ball out left so yeah you could say it his was fault. The real question is why did Reid assume Bryan would be there? He was clearly expecting to find Bryan on the over lap. Bryan was actually 40 odd yards further back in the LB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 19, 2016 Report Share Posted December 19, 2016 If LJ is unhappy about our LB situation , and we get in a left back in Jan I can see SG being an out , poss on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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