Sparkz 76 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Ok just fishing here people personally I think we need two fullbacks Right and left also a natural right winger plus another striker and play 4-4-2. I think O Dowda could be utilised better and I believe we would have better shape. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Every other team to fall foul of FFP and receive 150 point deductions would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 People to pull behind the team and coach and will us to become upwardly mobile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, MelksRed said: People to pull behind the team and coach and will us to become upwardly mobile? Have Peter Carroll been shoddy on their servicing again? Good luck with that, it's a bloody long way to Ipswich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Keeper. Left back. Left midfield. Right midfield . Ball winner in the middle of the park. Centre forward. Maybe a centre alf. Get them and we'll have a real chance of moving up the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 New ball boys!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhonddared Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 New manager...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Callum McManaman is joining Shef Wed on loan until the end of the season. Not saying we would have had a chance of signing him but certainly the type of player we should be looking at. Miles better than any other winger we currently have. There was that young kid who burst on the scene at Southampton a month or two ago but isn't getting a look in at the moment. Half a season in the championship would surely do him the world of good for development. With regards to left back, Ben Chilwell is highly rated at Leicester but doesn't get much game time. Another loan possibility maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 In the long-term we need between 5 or 8 players but I'd be amazed if we could get anywhere near that in January. Short of that, I'm starting to wonder if the main thing we need to stabilise is a midfielder to drop into the centre of defence when we're under pressure, this pushing the full-backs wider and stopping us getting caught by teams attacking from out wide. I reckon we've got players who could do that. I think my main targets for January would be a goalscoring striker and a wide player who wants to stay wide and who can create. Admittedly those players aren't easy to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 43 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Callum McManaman is joining Shef Wed on loan until the end of the season. Not saying we would have had a chance of signing him but certainly the type of player we should be looking at. Miles better than any other winger we currently have. There was that young kid who burst on the scene at Southampton a month or two ago but isn't getting a look in at the moment. Half a season in the championship would surely do him the world of good for development. With regards to left back, Ben Chilwell is highly rated at Leicester but doesn't get much game time. Another loan possibility maybe. 42 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: In the long-term we need between 5 or 8 players but I'd be amazed if we could get anywhere near that in January. Short of that, I'm starting to wonder if the main thing we need to stabilise is a midfielder to drop into the centre of defence when we're under pressure, this pushing the full-backs wider and stopping us getting caught by teams attacking from out wide. I reckon we've got players who could do that. I think my main targets for January would be a goalscoring striker and a wide player who wants to stay wide and who can create. Admittedly those players aren't easy to find. Both good posts with good points , and I may be wrong but I don't see LJ signing an out and out wide man Seems obsessed with 'The 10' and talks of anyone with the potential, at least to play as a traditional wide man (Patterson, O'Dowda, Freeman etc) as in their ability to 'Play as a 10' Have to confess, personally I've never heard him talk of wide men or who can go past people and get crosses in. Possibly other posters have and will correct me , but all in all I get the definite impression that LJ is not hot on wide men and looks for any width in 'bomb alley' to come from our full backs Just IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 In a dream world - Left Back - Centre Foward - Right Winger - Right Back - Goal Keeper - Centre Half In order of priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Better support from Londoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Better fans. Most of ours are to old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespa Red Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 15 points would be nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Better fans. Most of ours are to old And have been supporting the club longer than you've been alive , including the real tough days of the early 80s when many 'Too old' supporters reached in their own pockets to help save the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 42 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Both good posts with good points , and I may be wrong but I don't see LJ signing an out and out wide man Seems obsessed with 'The 10' and talks of anyone with the potential, at least to play as a traditional wide man (Patterson, O'Dowda, Freeman etc) as in their ability to 'Play as a 10' Have to confess, personally I've never heard him talk of wide men or who can go past people and get crosses in. Possibly other posters have and will correct me , but all in all I get the definite impression that LJ is not hot on wide men and looks for any width in 'bomb alley' to come from our full backs Just IMHO Think you are right there as even the signing of Paterson would suggest. A player who has spent most his career as a number 10 but can play out wide if needed. In saying that we were close to signing Hammill in the summer so maybe we will be surprised as see a wide man join us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 41 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: And have been supporting the club longer than you've been alive , including the real tough days of the early 80s when many 'Too old' supporters reached in their own pockets to help save the club. It was tongue in cheek, take it easy. We do have a lot of moaning old codgers though ... gets boring listening to it sometimes. Seriously i think we need to invest in a centre forward (not striker) to take the burden of wilbs to lead the line. Hes shown how effecitive that type of player can be in this league. Bobby Reid still flatters to decive - not a fan, odowda doesnt play and i dont know why. Right back is a weak area, selling Ayling was a massive mistake - ever present for Leeds and playing well by all accounts. Remember when people used to say Joe Bryan could play in the prem .... those days are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: It was tongue in cheek, take it easy. Fair enough Tip from a miserable git .........Using a sometimes helps to indicate this We do have a lot of moaning old codgers though ... gets boring listening to it sometimes.. I'm probably one ! (Not match time though) and if you stick with City , in about 25yrs or so you will probably realise you've become one too ! On a serious note we do have a loyal section of older fans and that should be embraced rather than cast aside The few of us older moaners should be irrelevant if there are enough younger positive supporters to drown us out !! Save the criticism for the young Bristolians who follow a 'Big Prem Club' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 In order of priority: 1 x large target man to play alongside Tammy (hold up the ball, occupy centre backs, chip in occasional goal) 2 x full backs with pace and ability to contribute at both ends of pitch (pressing, tracking back, ability to cross) 1 x speedster change of pace striker to come off the bench (since apparently Engvall is attached to the bench) I've not prioritised signing midfielders because we have bloody loads of them and I think the primary problem with midfield is that it just isn't one - at least not in the conventional sense of 4 across the middle with defined roles and clear direction to create opportunities for two strikers. Instead our "midfield" is an ever-changing assembly of defensive midfielders and attacking midfielders, all of whom are reliant on passing backwards or punting downfield to Tammy. There's no doubt we could buy better midfielders, but I'd kind of like to see the likes of O'Dowda and Paterson that we shelled out for, as well as sporadically promising players like Reid and Pack, given a chance to play in a sensible formation with the other more glaring gaps above (up front, full back) sorted out first. I find it odd that LJ is so loyal to a formation/approach that apparently he's reluctant to play O'Dowda and Paterson in. What were they scouted for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Both good posts with good points , and I may be wrong but I don't see LJ signing an out and out wide man Seems obsessed with 'The 10' and talks of anyone with the potential, at least to play as a traditional wide man (Patterson, O'Dowda, Freeman etc) as in their ability to 'Play as a 10' Have to confess, personally I've never heard him talk of wide men or who can go past people and get crosses in. Possibly other posters have and will correct me , but all in all I get the definite impression that LJ is not hot on wide men and looks for any width in 'bomb alley' to come from our full backs Just IMHO I think you're right but I think it may be a problem. I've not been able to get to recent games but certainly our problem at QPR and Cardiff was a lack of options when teams stifle how we "want" to play. Fair play to LJ for having ideas on how he wants us to play but we need options if the initial approach doesn't work. Totally get it if LJ doesn't want to play with wingers every week but I think we'd be better placed if we had that sort of player as and when we needed it. However, even if it is not a wide man, the simple fact is that Paterson, Freeman and O'Dowda (though he's young and it's too soon to judge him) are not providing enough assists for 'creative' players and we need either them to up their game or to find someone who'll make goals happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 10 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I think you're right but I think it may be a problem. I've not been able to get to recent games but certainly our problem at QPR and Cardiff was a lack of options when teams stifle how we "want" to play. Fair play to LJ for having ideas on how he wants us to play but we need options if the initial approach doesn't work. Totally get it if LJ doesn't want to play with wingers every week but I think we'd be better placed if we had that sort of player as and when we needed it. However, even if it is not a wide man, the simple fact is that Paterson, Freeman and O'Dowda (though he's young and it's too soon to judge him) are not providing enough assists for 'creative' players and we need either them to up their game or to find someone who'll make goals happen. Agree For me , I think our slump is largely because sides know exactly what we are going to try ( Despite Lees tinkering with selections ) (Also counter productive to players feeling comfortable and in their understanding) and that's not difficult set up against and to block off and counter at us in wide (vacant for us) areas Sides that press us seem to be successful as IMHO we do not have the players of that technical quality (LT the exception) to play this way ATM (Or in modern terminology 'good enough to beat the press') We definitely need to be able to change our method in these cases and mix it up - another Plan B as an alternative to chucking Evergreen Wilbs on as a target man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engvall's Splinter Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Strengthen the spine. Centre half, centre midfielder and centre forward all with leadership/communication skills without fail. Some experience in organising may just assist the likes of Bryan, Freeman, Abraham etc. Thereafter, in an ideal world a left back and some wide players. Play far too narrow yet still get carved through in the middle time after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Our central midfielders are not good enough if we are stay with the current formation, everyone you could argue could be replaced. Zero steel, energy or pace. After that it is fullbacks and a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderbeans Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 A win... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 1 hour ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Better fans. Most of ours are to old too old....but therefore, as a result, had a half decent education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 Striker is the obvious need, other than that it will depend on who is available at the right fee, or on loan. Will also depend on whether we can offload any players. Looking at the lists of 7/8 players, that's just taking us back to the good old days of a huge squad, and developing youngsters blocked. Plus huge wage bill.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 2 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: Better fans. Most of ours are to old Those of us who saw City in Division One know how we got there, scouting younger talent and patience. Exactly what the Club are now trying to put in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 3 hours ago, shelts said: Keeper. Left back. Left midfield. Right midfield . Ball winner in the middle of the park. Centre forward. Maybe a centre alf. Get them and we'll have a real chance of moving up the table that's half a team, doesn't say much for the current team does it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted December 28, 2016 Report Share Posted December 28, 2016 22 minutes ago, Chappers said: Those of us who saw City in Division One know how we got there, scouting younger talent and patience. Exactly what the Club are now trying to put in place Suggest that it's much harder to do now Chappers as the better academy youngsters get poached by clubs with Cat One Academies , A fair few of players that got us promoted had formed the youth team got to the final of FA Youth Cup , and that that's not likely to be relocated any time in the foreseeable future any young promising first teamer will be snapped up by a Prem Club , even as a £5-10 million 'gamble' i accept the idea is to take the profit and develop some more but that's a big task and requires Cat A Academy Status or some exceptional coaching for those 18-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwaystomorrow Posted December 29, 2016 Report Share Posted December 29, 2016 A new manager who doesn't bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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