INCRED Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 So our Head Coach has stated that we are still in the market but for who and how many? I would say a GK and RB are a must. Interesting that he said we don't need to sale also, see what next week brings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Perhaps we are in for a manager and not told Lee ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Won't be long before we are back to a bloated squad of sameish players with talk of deadwood rife and having to wait 2 years for contracts to end so we can get rid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Perhaps we are in for a manager and not told Lee ! He knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: Won't be long before we are back to a bloated squad of sameish players with talk of deadwood rife and having to wait 2 years for contracts to end so we can get rid. That'll be the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 Hope it's for some quick, exciting wide players with good crossing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I'd rather we stopped throwing money about until we got some results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Libertine1 said: I'd rather we stopped throwing money about until we got some results. Why? If we can improve the team then it makes sense. Sounds like today's debutants all played pretty well today, especially Hegeler. On paper they'll all make us a stronger team with more options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Why? If we can improve the team then it makes sense. Sounds like today's debutants all played pretty well today, especially Hegeler. On paper they'll all make us a stronger team with more options. Because LJ has been given an unprecedented amount of money to spend and signed enough players to make a team already. It's up to him to use those players properly and get the best out of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Libertine1 said: Because LJ has been given an unprecedented amount of money to spend and signed enough players to make a team already. It's up to him to use those players properly and get the best out of them. I agree the board have been generous. I think though we lack a plan b, I always want to watch teams with genuine width and feel we could benefit from two pacey wingers with good delivery. If the opportunity came along to sign two wingers, I hope we'd take it. If it means moving a couple on then so be it because we have a glut of central midfielders and wide midfielders who habitually cut in. We have Tammy who's tall, and now Djuric with Wilbraham to come off the bench. Surely it makes sense to play to our strengths and aim to supply them with good delivery into the box. It seems LJ is determined to play through the centre which is not working at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonRobin Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 He has spent a lot of money but the club is still 'in the black' during his tenure - £11M for Kodjia plus the money from the sale of Agard and Ayling. Then there is the money from the Adomah and Bolasie sell-on clauses too. He has sold the players so in my opinion he has achieved the right to spend the money. We can only judge if he spends it wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Libertine1 said: Because LJ has been given an unprecedented amount of money to spend and signed enough players to make a team already. It's up to him to use those players properly and get the best out of them. Sorry but I cannot agree. Unprecedented amount of money - he's still net transfer profit isn't he? A quarter of the money he's spent is on Tomlin - who was in the squad when he arrived so arguably had we not signed him he'd have been down one quality player. Magnusson, a fifth of what he's spent has been a revelation. The three he bought in January have had a promising start. The rest from August need to show us a bit more, agreed, but these are the punts we need to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hand of RO'D Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 1 hour ago, robin_unreliant said: Won't be long before we are back to a bloated squad of sameish players with talk of deadwood rife and having to wait 2 years for contracts to end so we can get rid. That is a worry but fortunately for us our squad isn't full of journeymen these days after one last pay packet. As was evident in the summer some of our less glamorous players were subject to interest from other clubs, e.g Williams & Ayling. We might have a bigger squad but it's a lot younger and thus so would appeal to other teams who think they can still offer something even if their careers stagnate at city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I agree the board have been generous. I think though we lack a plan b, I always want to watch teams with genuine width and feel we could benefit from two pacey wingers with good delivery. If the opportunity came along to sign two wingers, I hope we'd take it. If it means moving a couple on then so be it because we have a glut of central midfielders and wide midfielders who habitually cut in. We have Tammy who's tall, and now Djuric with Wilbraham to come off the bench. Surely it makes sense to play to our strengths and aim to supply them with good delivery into the box. It seems LJ is determined to play through the centre which is not working at the moment. I'd love for us to play that way too. If we'd signed another winger before a central midfielder we'd be a bit more balanced. Personally, I'm nervous about spending so much money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, 29AR said: Sorry but I cannot agree. Unprecedented amount of money - he's still net transfer profit isn't he? A quarter of the money he's spent is on Tomlin - who was in the squad when he arrived so arguably had we not signed him he'd have been down one quality player. Magnusson, a fifth of what he's spent has been a revelation. The three he bought in January have had a promising start. The rest from August need to show us a bit more, agreed, but these are the punts we need to take. I doubt he is still in profit. Besides, we spent a lot of money even before the sale of Kodjia (and that sale wasn't planned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I do think the three new signings are going to improve us. Need a keeper , right back , left back and two wide men then were doing bits. Disappointed in the boos at the end but understand them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Libertine1 said: I doubt he is still in profit. Besides, we spent a lot of money even before the sale of Kodjia (and that sale wasn't planned) It need not be planned when it comes to selling if the bloke is one year in to his contract. Granted we probably got £5m more than we expected at the time but given we bid £9m for Gray after 1 season in the championship I've no doubt our FD was telling SL we have a huuuuge asset here. As for still in profit I beg to differ. Kodjia gone, Ayling gone and Agard gone... our wage bill may be higher since he's left but our outlay and our assets, nah. Nowhere near. Part of the reason is he sold guys with one year left on their deal. They were in August rapidly depreciating assets, worthless in 12m. He replaced them with guys with potential with resale value on longer contracts. For instance, may have spent £2m on O'Dowda, if we sold him now he by no means would have cost us £2m. Brownhill wouldn't have cost us a penny as we'd get at least what paid. Even Gustav at worst you'd say we could get £500k for and cost as £1.xm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 24 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I agree the board have been generous. I think though we lack a plan b, I always want to watch teams with genuine width and feel we could benefit from two pacey wingers with good delivery. If the opportunity came along to sign two wingers, I hope we'd take it. If it means moving a couple on then so be it because we have a glut of central midfielders and wide midfielders who habitually cut in. We have Tammy who's tall, and now Djuric with Wilbraham to come off the bench. Surely it makes sense to play to our strengths and aim to supply them with good delivery into the box. It seems LJ is determined to play through the centre which is not working at the moment. Freeman on the left O Dowda on the right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, shelts said: I do think the three new signings are going to improve us. Need a keeper , right back , left back and two wide men then were doing bits. Disappointed in the boos at the end but understand them. So with the new three playing today we need another 5 signings? Do you only consider (before today) 3 of the side worthy of a starting place? I only ask this as you seem to be a big supporter of Lee. Seems extreme and a real panic 8 signings in the jan window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I know SL is not a manager, but there was something about a comment he made that we should have a squad if two players for every position in a 442. I'm possibly misquoting him. The point being if you swap 442 to 4231 to 352 etc, then how do you know what positions you're recruiting for? I don't think we should be recruiting for 352. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 I also fear the bloated squad. There seems to be already a bunch of players of a very similar standard specialising in the same positions. Bringing new ones in of the same standard again offers competition for places (and options to rotate, and rotate we do!) but do they improve the team? I'm all for recruitment for the future and the investment in young talent, but surely sorting your first team takes priority. We've literally spent millions on O'Dowda and Engvall alone. We're very lucky to have the resource to, and the players have shown promise, but we need more than that. For me LJ should know his core 8 or 9 players at least and every player should know our way of playing, so replacements can slot in at any time, be that subs or injuries. The other 3 or 4 can offer the variation and the flexibility he obviously wants. He's gelling a new squad, but re-inventing the tactical wheel every week . If you're Joe Bryan are you a left back, a left winger or left midfielder? There's no need for this versatility or rather lack of specialism in every player. Get them in their best position and play them there, and then keep them there when we lose and when we win. Im encouraged by the new signings because from what little I've seen of them, they ought to be better than what we have. Heygler seems like one of the 3 or 4 that could offer true versatility (and be intelligent enough to switch between) and we were in dire need of a striker. God know what'll happen when Tammy returns. The new CB is more experienced than Moore and an international. Again he's probably an improvement. He wanted 3 Windows but for me if the chopping and changing of tactics and team line up keeps up after our latest recruitment (including more to come) I have no idea where we go from there. It's time to pick your best 11 and stick with it. LJ sees the same problems we do, and to his credit is very honest about them. It's time to address it and spend on solutions and not potential. A squad full of Patersons and Matthews is no use to anyone if they're not improving us or offering the team what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, shelts said: I do think the three new signings are going to improve us. Need a keeper , right back , left back and two wide men then were doing bits. Disappointed in the boos at the end but understand them. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, stephenkibby. said: So with the new three playing today we need another 5 signings? Do you only consider (before today) 3 of the side worthy of a starting place? I only ask this as you seem to be a big supporter of Lee. Seems extreme and a real panic 8 signings in the jan window. This window and the next one yes. Some league one players still at this club. Where are the kids coming through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJS Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 36 minutes ago, Bullbag said: How much more money is he going to waste? Quite embarrassing. Which players would say have been a waste of money. In my opinion the squad is slightly unbalanced but with a couple of acquisitions this won't be the case and Lee can utilise the squad correctly. I would like to know who you think he has wasted money on so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, GJS said: Which players would say have been a waste of money. In my opinion the squad is slightly unbalanced but with a couple of acquisitions this won't be the case and Lee can utilise the squad correctly. I would like to know who you think he has wasted money on so far? I hope not but think the writing is on the wall for Tomlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I know SL is not a manager, but there was something about a comment he made that we should have a squad if two players for every position in a 442.v I'm possibly misquoting him. The point being if you swap 442 to 4231 to 352 etc, then how do you know what positions you're recruiting for? I don't think we should be recruiting for 352. I recall him saying something like this Dave pre-season but don't recall him mentioning formations Agree with your point that you can't keep recruiting for more than one or two systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted January 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bullbag said: Engvall Tomlin Paterson Moore Matthews Ekstrand De Girolamo Ekstrand probably yes but only cost us wages and for 4 months, Matthews bit of a sick note and not done himself justice but season long loan so wise move as no fee paid. Tomlin blows hot and cold and with the new signings may spark him back to life but not doing it atm.The rest I would say are players who will get better and over time be good players and sound investments. Not what we necessarily need at the moment in our current position but an eye on the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJS Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, Bullbag said: Engvall Tomlin Paterson Moore Matthews Ekstrand De Girolamo Some of these players were bought for the future. You should understand that every player we sign may not play in the first team immediately. In my opinion I think this is a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bullbag said: Engvall Tomlin Paterson Moore Matthews Ekstrand De Girolamo Jesus. 2 are players for the future and extremely promising prospects. 1 is a loanee 1 was a short term contracted player - hardley wasting much money on those two. 1 was a headline signing who maybe has under-performed but there was noone eeally questioning the signing, you are Mr Hindsight there. Leaving a cheap panic buy in Paterson, and a more expensive but untried panic buy in Engvall who is unproven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted January 7, 2017 Report Share Posted January 7, 2017 We need a keeper that can be trusted to start with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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