longyears Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 ...........and actually although I wish he was going I am not surprised. He is like a family member with the Lansdowns and will not I fear be fired. That is because the bigger picture ( IMO ) is that the new stadium will generate most income from non match day activities and events and the size of crowds for both Rugby and Football are not critical - Rugby in the Championship and BCFC in Div One will not be a financial disaster and as long as the love in continues with LJ I honestly do not believe SL will be too bothered. We all have to remember that both rugby and football teams are a rich mans toys - do not ever deceive yourself that he really cares - if he did he would have bought us into the Prem long ago as he can certainly afford it. Not criticising for that as he has done a lot for the club but mostly he has done it for himself and his rich mans toy ! Does he really care about us ST holders - in fairness if you were him would you !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Corner Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 7 minutes ago, longyears said: ...........and actually although I wish he was going I am not surprised. He is like a family member with the Lansdowns and will not I fear be fired. That is because the bigger picture ( IMO ) is that the new stadium will generate most income from non match day activities and events and the size of crowds for both Rugby and Football are not critical - Rugby in the Championship and BCFC in Div One will not be a financial disaster and as long as the love in continues with LJ I honestly do not believe SL will be too bothered. We all have to remember that both rugby and football teams are a rich mans toys - do not ever deceive yourself that he really cares - if he did he would have bought us into the Prem long ago as he can certainly afford it. Not criticising for that as he has done a lot for the club but mostly he has done it for himself and his rich mans toy ! Does he really care about us ST holders - in fairness if you were him would you !! Maybe this post will be the only response, as I'm sure not many people will waste their time bothering to reply to this drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin 101 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 What an utter load of **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Just now, Robin 101 said: What an utter load of **** I just cant believe we have yet another LJ thread. But in response to OP, no fans = no club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperor Palpatine Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, longyears said: ...........and actually although I wish he was going I am not surprised. He is like a family member with the Lansdowns and will not I fear be fired. That is because the bigger picture ( IMO ) is that the new stadium will generate most income from non match day activities and events and the size of crowds for both Rugby and Football are not critical - Rugby in the Championship and BCFC in Div One will not be a financial disaster and as long as the love in continues with LJ I honestly do not believe SL will be too bothered. We all have to remember that both rugby and football teams are a rich mans toys - do not ever deceive yourself that he really cares - if he did he would have bought us into the Prem long ago as he can certainly afford it. Not criticising for that as he has done a lot for the club but mostly he has done it for himself and his rich mans toy ! Does he really care about us ST holders - in fairness if you were him would you !! Well if I was him, I wouldn't care about fans like you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Size of crowds MAY not be critical but are close to 20k anyway. So no real pressure being applied in that respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longyears Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 22 minutes ago, Emperor Palpatine said: Well if I was him, I wouldn't care about fans like you... Why ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longyears Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 30 minutes ago, Hellfire Corner said: Maybe this post will be the only response, as I'm sure not many people will waste their time bothering to reply to this drivel. Why is it drivel - quite a balanced view to anybody sane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Results will determine whether he stays or not. He may have the backing of our owner and appear to be being treated far more generously than several of his predecessors but if he loses tomorrow and then again at Forest (which would make it a dreadful 11 league defeats in 12 games) I simply cannot see how he can stay in his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, longyears said: Why is it drivel - quite a balanced view to anybody sane Well, I hope I am sane. I would suspect getting relegated this year is most certainly not in SLs planning. Why authorise the spending he has on players otherwise? SL is not above criticism, most particularly on choice of managers. I happen to think however he cares very deeply about how we do. LJ is most certainly not unfireable. How much would it cost to simply buy our way in to the top league? Not sure I know, but with average luck, I would think something like £100m over two years. No one is happy with results at the moment, and if they continue this way, LJ will go, but the business model we have seems like the only sensible one at the moment. We, or more accurately SL, lost £14m last year. Other income streams are vital if we are to build. We are all a bit down at the moment. Call him incompetent, if you must, but I have seen nothing to suggest over the years SL does not care, very deeply, about how we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I'm always suspicious when these types of post are started by relative newbies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 22 minutes ago, longyears said: Why is it drivel - quite a balanced view to anybody sane Have you ever met SL and spoken to him. I have and his passion and desire for BCFC is undeniable. Throwing money at the club with no planning will not guarantee success. Without being disrespectful, I hope its "longyears" before you post again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, longyears said: ...........and actually although I wish he was going I am not surprised. He is like a family member with the Lansdowns and will not I fear be fired. That is because the bigger picture ( IMO ) is that the new stadium will generate most income from non match day activities and events and the size of crowds for both Rugby and Football are not critical - Rugby in the Championship and BCFC in Div One will not be a financial disaster and as long as the love in continues with LJ I honestly do not believe SL will be too bothered. We all have to remember that both rugby and football teams are a rich mans toys - do not ever deceive yourself that he really cares - if he did he would have bought us into the Prem long ago as he can certainly afford it. Not criticising for that as he has done a lot for the club but mostly he has done it for himself and his rich mans toy ! Does he really care about us ST holders - in fairness if you were him would you !! Your usernames inspired by the time we've been above the sags I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longyears Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I'm always suspicious when these types of post are started by relative newbies That is your right but under another id I had over 500 posts I just changed my id to avoid insults - which I may have deserved - so not a newbie at all - been posting since 2003 - I just do not believe SL is that bothered about us getting relegated - if he as he would have fired LJ by now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Acton Red Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Steve Landsdown is a business man and the financial implecations would be terrible if both City and Bristol rugby got relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, longyears said: That is your right but under another id I had over 500 posts I just changed my id to avoid insults - which I may have deserved - so not a newbie at all - been posting since 2003 - I just do not believe SL is that bothered about us getting relegated - if he as he would have fired LJ by now ! Steve Landsdown "not bothered" if we're relegated :laugh: I reckon that might be the stupidest thing you have posted, but I wouldn't bank on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, longyears said: That is your right but under another id I had over 500 posts I just changed my id to avoid insults - which I may have deserved - so not a newbie at all - been posting since 2003 - I just do not believe SL is that bothered about us getting relegated - if he as he would have fired LJ by now ! I'm sure SL has got fed up with hiring and firing as it is a big gamble, sometimes works more often doesn't. He's probably taking into account LJ turned Barnsley around after a run of 8 defeats. Having said all that I think LJ's got to get a win in the next 3 or 4 games to keep his job, SL will look after the club first however much he likes LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, longyears said: ...........and actually although I wish he was going I am not surprised. He is like a family member with the Lansdowns and will not I fear be fired. That is because the bigger picture ( IMO ) is that the new stadium will generate most income from non match day activities and events and the size of crowds for both Rugby and Football are not critical - Rugby in the Championship and BCFC in Div One will not be a financial disaster and as long as the love in continues with LJ I honestly do not believe SL will be too bothered. We all have to remember that both rugby and football teams are a rich mans toys - do not ever deceive yourself that he really cares - if he did he would have bought us into the Prem long ago as he can certainly afford it. Not criticising for that as he has done a lot for the club but mostly he has done it for himself and his rich mans toy ! Does he really care about us ST holders - in fairness if you were him would you !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: I'm sure SL has got fed up with hiring and firing as it is a big gamble, sometimes works more often doesn't. He's probably taking into account LJ turned Barnsley around after a run of 8 defeats. Having said all that I think LJ's got to get a win in the next 3 or 4 games to keep his job, SL will look after the club first however much he likes LJ. A win in his next 3-4 games..?!. **** me we've gotta put up with another 4 defeats in a row until he gets the boot... Please no.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 44 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Results will determine whether he stays or not. He may have the backing of our owner and appear to be being treated far more generously than several of his predecessors but if he loses tomorrow and then again at Forest (which would make it a dreadful 11 league defeats in 12 games) I simply cannot see how he can stay in his job. Just out of interest, What do you think will happen if we beat Fleetwood and Forest, then lose the next 2 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Kodjias Wrist said: I just cant believe we have yet another LJ thread. But in response to OP, no fans = no club. There will be fans As so many on here keep saying City till i die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, longyears said: We all have to remember that both rugby and football teams are a rich mans toys - do not ever deceive yourself that he really cares - if he did he would have bought us into the Prem long ago as he can certainly afford it. Not criticising for that as he has done a lot for the club but mostly he has done it for himself and his rich mans toy ! Absolute tosh. Who the hell are you to tell anyone on here not to "deceive yourself"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 26 minutes ago, smokey live said: Just out of interest, What do you think will happen if we beat Fleetwood and Forest, then lose the next 2 games? Probably keep his job for a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Results will determine whether he stays or not. He may have the backing of our owner and appear to be being treated far more generously than several of his predecessors but if he loses tomorrow and then again at Forest (which would make it a dreadful 11 league defeats in 12 games) I simply cannot see how he can stay in his job. We will see, I won't hold my breath! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, marmite said: Have you ever met SL and spoken to him. I have and his passion and desire for BCFC is undeniable. Throwing money at the club with no planning will not guarantee success. Without being disrespectful, I hope its "longyears" before you post again! Not spending when we are on the up, and then splashing out desperately when we are on the down doesn't seem to me to me much of a plan. The business plan remember belongs to Bristol sport In the old days when we reached this level and began to fail, the cry was the club doesn't really want anything but third division. I am beginning to think the old boys may have had a point. None of the reality of these last two seasons gives me confidence that we are serious in reaching The Premiership. We should have built on the base of the high confidence of the promotion season. I agree with earlier poster, as I have been saying since this time last year, that I seriously doubt if Bristol Sport's stadium's financial plan requires City in Championship, let alone Premiership, or Rugby in Premiership either. By the way I would be happier for a single owner to back one major sport not two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, longyears said: ...........and actually although I wish he was going I am not surprised. He is like a family member with the Lansdowns and will not I fear be fired. That is because the bigger picture ( IMO ) is that the new stadium will generate most income from non match day activities and events and the size of crowds for both Rugby and Football are not critical - Rugby in the Championship and BCFC in Div One will not be a financial disaster and as long as the love in continues with LJ I honestly do not believe SL will be too bothered. We all have to remember that both rugby and football teams are a rich mans toys - do not ever deceive yourself that he really cares - if he did he would have bought us into the Prem long ago as he can certainly afford it. Not criticising for that as he has done a lot for the club but mostly he has done it for himself and his rich mans toy ! Does he really care about us ST holders - in fairness if you were him would you !! Need to build a club and that's what SL is doing. Rather do it this way than the Blackburn way, look at them now!! Think he cares about the fans, I remember chatting to him at Colchester as he gave out free tickets and vouchers for the Fa cup. Not everyone's cup of tea granted. For me he will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Lansdown's money BUT IT'S OUR CLUB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star of a gunner Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, smokey live said: Just out of interest, What do you think will happen if we beat Fleetwood and Forest, then lose the next 2 games? if we beat Fleetwood and forest that will give him another ten games . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 34 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: Not spending when we are on the up, and then splashing out desperately when we are on the down doesn't seem to me to me much of a plan. The business plan remember belongs to Bristol sport In the old days when we reached this level and began to fail, the cry was the club doesn't really want anything but third division. I am beginning to think the old boys may have had a point. None of the reality of these last two seasons gives me confidence that we are serious in reaching The Premiership. We should have built on the base of the high confidence of the promotion season. I agree with earlier poster, as I have been saying since this time last year, that I seriously doubt if Bristol Sport's stadium's financial plan requires City in Championship, let alone Premiership, or Rugby in Premiership either. By the way I would be happier for a single owner to back one major sport not two. Both under GJ and SC, when we were on the up, I am sure I remember seeing SL quoted as saying that the money was there to back the manager and that the manager only had to ask. GJ as manager was guilty of not spending when he could and should have, but you can't blame SL for the manager's decisions. Under SC we bid for Gray and the Gayle and my understanding is that both fees ( substantial) were accepted and I think that the wages offered met what the players ( agents ) wanted. The only they didn't come here was the players chose not to. Doesn't sound like an owner not prepared to spend money when we are/were on the up. The club has sensibly put together a plan that is financially sustainable - that's the football club, not Bristol Sport. That plan does not mean that Sl will not spend his money ( he spent heaven knows how much refurbishing the stadium - which he IS allowed to do under financial rule) - and the refurb started when we were in league 1, so that was also spending made while we were "on the up". You might critics Sl's judgement when spending his money, but I don't think you can criticise him at all for being unwilling to spend for the club. Whether or not Bristol Sports plan requires Bristol City to be in the championship I would be reasonably certain that SL wants us in the championship both as a fan and as the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 hours ago, robin_unreliant said: Size of crowds MAY not be critical but are close to 20k anyway. So no real pressure being applied in that respect. Indeed. All things considered our attendances at home this season have been superb, a 20k average is not to be sniffed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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