Shuffle Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I understand that Bobby has missed chances and divides opinion but cannot understand that so shortly after LJ stating that if he could finish he would be worth £5m,that he's disappeared out of the squad. Not suggesting that he should be starting but playing for the u23 today is a huge fall from grace. Is he carrying the can for us squandering 2 goal lead v Reading ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 The whole squad selection and management belies any logic imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 like his effort and creativenes, but reminds me of a poor mans raheem sterling, gets in good positions, and contrives to put a ball over from on the line ! is he now the £5 man ;0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 There's any number of legitimate reasons for him to play in that game. Why does everyone want to make a problem that isn't (necessarily) there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Many people to blame for this poor run of form etc but bobby Reid isn't one of them. For me last season and start of this season the way bobby Reid was linking up with Tomlin was a real bright spark. IMO Tomlin plays better with bobby in the side , for me Tomlin must play and if possible bobby could play with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, kivsy said: like his effort and creativenes, but reminds me of a poor mans raheem sterling, gets in good positions, and contrives to put a ball over from on the line ! is he now the £5 man ;0 Raheem Sterling is a poor man's Daniel Sturridge! What a slur you've just cast on Bobby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 It seems to be an unusual feature that when a player gets talked up, he then doesn't play. I think Pack was dropped for several games immediately after being praised and given a new contract. Perhaps to keep everyone happy, praise is used as a sweetener prior to the manager trying something else. Who knows. On a related note I was thinking since Saturday how many players have improved under our Head Coach (who declared it his primary aim and hired Holden to improve their coaching coverage further still). I could only name Bobby Reid - back end of last season and early this one, by far our most improved player. In my opinion every other player that was here last season, has got worse. It's one of those idiosyncrasies that LJ was billed as primarily a player improvement coach but if he is to survive it will be much more down to buying players. I agree it is odd that one player he appears to have enhanced, is out of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Spoons said: Many people to blame for this poor run of form etc but bobby Reid isn't one of them. For me last season and start of this season the way bobby Reid was linking up with Tomlin was a real bright spark. IMO Tomlin plays better with bobby in the side , for me Tomlin must play and if possible bobby could play with him. Been saying this for months 100% correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, Olé said: It seems to be an unusual feature that when a player gets talked up, he then doesn't play. I think Pack was dropped for several games immediately after being praised and given a new contract. Perhaps to keep everyone happy, praise is used as a sweetener prior to the manager trying something else. Who knows. On a related note I was thinking since Saturday how many players have improved under our Head Coach (who declared it his primary aim and hired Holden to improve their coaching coverage further still). I could only name Bobby Reid - back end of last season and early this one, by far our most improved player. In my opinion every other player that was here last season, has got worse. It's one of those idiosyncrasies that LJ was billed as primarily a player improvement coach but if he is to survive it will be much more down to buying players. I agree it is odd that one player he appears to have enhanced, is out of the picture. LJ spoke before of margins and small percentages. He highlighted Scott Golbourne as an example where they were working with him one to one ( can't remember what it was for). That's why I find it odd that you are right, no one has improved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 28 minutes ago, mightyreds89 said: Been saying this for months 100% correct. Me too, caveat that he he can be inconsistent. 22 minutes ago, Libertine1 said: LJ spoke before of margins and small percentages. He highlighted Scott Golbourne as an example where they were working with him one to one ( can't remember what it was for). That's why I find it odd that you are right, no one has improved. It was strengthening to allow him to react and turn to cut out crosses. You when a winger cuts back onto his other foot, as a full back you need to turn quickly and be able to get a block in. It was on Twentyman's radio prog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I'm in the 'give LJ more time camp' but this thread does highlight one concern I have. I do wonder if LJ is finding it hard to manage the squad size. He has said that it is a new problem for him which has been exacerbated by the new loan restrictions (we have to hold more players as we can't just loan someone in outside of the transfer windows). On Twentyman tonight, when talking about the Fleetwood match, he was saying that certain players who had not played much recently had been doing well in training and deserved a chance. So I expect changes tomorrow. I hope those changes are not one offs just for Fleetwood. My preference for tomorrow would be to pick the team and formation that we intend to play on Saturday v Forest, especially as we are bedding in the new signings. Let's build some consistency for the team; let's make it simple for the players - you have the same role on Tuesday and on Saturday; let's give each player scope to get on the same wavelength with the players around them; each player has different strengths and weaknesses - if one week you are playing alongside Tomlin and the next O'Dowda, your approach needs to change. That is fine when you are playing with confidence and have the experience and skills to be flexible, but we don't at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Big Reid fan here and I do believe Reid played with Tomlin gives a better understanding and delivery to Abraham. Am sure this split opinions !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonRobin Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Big Reid fan here and I do believe Reid played with Tomlin gives a better understanding and delivery to Abraham. Am sure this split opinions !! A number have been asking for 2 up top, so how do you fit Reid, Tomlin, Djuric and Abraham in the same side? I'm not sure we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Yes . Never easy But surely u could work that into a 3_5_2 when mangasson fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 hour ago, CotswoldRed said: The whole squad selection and management belies any logic imo. We are a bigger mess than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 A Reid/Tomlin combo would probably need to score more goals than they've shown signs of this season, to justify their two places in the team? Not saying it wouldn't/couldn't work, just that they'd need to bring more to the party than what - sometimes at least - appears to be lots of skill, but maybe a lack of end product? Personally would prefer two up top with one of Reid/Tomlin in behind, but just a personal preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonRobin Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Yes . Never easy But surely u could work that into a 3_5_2 when mangasson fit In my opinion we Would be far too weak in the middle...if we play Reid and Tomlin in midfield as part of a 3-5-2 then we'd only have one 'battler' in the middle as the other two would be wing backs. We'd be overrun with the defence put under even more pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 With mangasson fit hegueller, not spelt right I sure could play the deep midfield role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 A front six along the lines of (assuming all fit and all eager...): O'Neil Hegeler Bryan Tomlin Duric Abraham ...looks decent to me, as long as we can muster a proper back 4 and a solid keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Wright. Flint. MangassonH ( Option ? ). Hegueller. (Option ?) Tomlin. Reid Abraham. Djuric Or something along those lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I don't think we seem the end of three at the back yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, WestonRobin said: In my opinion we Would be far too weak in the middle...if we play Reid and Tomlin in midfield as part of a 3-5-2 then we'd only have one 'battler' in the middle as the other two would be wing backs. We'd be overrun with the defence put under even more pressure. Reid and Tomlin worked against Fulham. Just Jens CM would do for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestonRobin Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Red Army Faction said: Reid and Tomlin worked against Fulham. Just Jens CM would do for me. That was in a 4-5-1 not 3-5-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 So if we work around a Tomlin Reid partnership the formation is workable. Which gives far better attacking options than other set ups. The defective side and defence can be worked around that Simplessssssss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, WestonRobin said: That was in a 4-5-1 not 3-5-2 True. Agree with Tomlin and Reid partnership though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Well it is good we have found a good result to a forum topic :0) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 I see the future and it is bright ... Hegeler and Oniel pinning down the midfield. NewKeeper Wright........Flint........Mag's Hegeler.....................................Oniel Ried ..............................Tomlin....................Brownhill Duric ......................Tammy This gets Tomlin and Bobby in the team , but I'm not sure we'd get the crosses in to get the best out of Duric. Maybe Brownhill and Joe in WMF/WB roles. I may be wrong, it remains to be seen, but I'm quite excited about a midfield of Hegeler and Oniel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I see the future and it is bright ... Hegeler and Oniel pinning down the midfield. NewKeeper Wright........Flint........Mag's Hegeler.....................................Oniel Ried ..............................Tomlin....................Brownhill Duric ......................Tammy This gets Tomlin and Bobby in the team , but I'm not sure we'd get the crosses in to get the best out of Duric. Maybe Brownhill and Joe in WMF/WB roles. I may be wrong, it remains to be seen, but I'm quite excited about a midfield of Hegeler and Oniel. Is that.. Reid in a wing back role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 3-5-2,. 4-5-1,. What ever it needs to be fluid and adjusted to suit situations to a degree. But it would be a good base to work from. I do not feel it light years from the dynamic we had on Cotteril to a degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Sergio Georgini said: Is that.. Reid in a wing back role? No, just trying to get him in. This would be interesting, a 3-2-3-2 I think I've just invented a formation. Maybe a bit vulnerable to oppositions width mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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