steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Griffin said: Next game watch him, frequently bottles a potentially good pass forwards, I really do wonder what some people are watching. Instead of watching him, watch the movement in front of him . If the pass aint on he can't make it, it's not difficult to grasp honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Instead of watching him, watch the movement in front of him . If the pass aint on he can't make it, it's not difficult to grasp honestly That's what I'm watching, obviously, otherwise I wouldn't know if it was potentially a good pass. It's not difficult to grasp what I'm saying, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Griffin said: That's what I'm watching, obviously, otherwise I wouldn't know if it was potentially a good pass. It's not difficult to grasp what I'm saying, honestly. Can't you think of your own witty retort instead of childish mimicking. Look i don't agree with you and think you talk rubbish at times but it's a forum of different opinions, so we'll both agree that you're wrong and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Can't you think of your own witty retort instead of childish mimicking. Look i don't agree with you and think you talk rubbish at times but it's a forum of different opinions, so we'll both agree that you're wrong and move on Sorry, I was mimicking you but you were the one being childish. I've seen him bottle passes for a long time, and due to knowing he bottles it I'm more aware when he does do it. I'm confident I'm right but obviously that doesn't matter to you. I'll move on now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Griffin said: Sorry, I was mimicking you but you were the one being childish. I've seen him bottle passes for a long time, and due to knowing he bottles it I'm more aware when he does do it. I'm confident I'm right but obviously that doesn't matter to you. I'll move on now Well for what it's worth i think he's one of our better midfielders and keeps the ball moving which is very important for moving the opposition around and imo doesn't bottle it at all. Also i'm in a bit of a wind up mood tonight so thanks for playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Well for what it's worth i think he's one of our better midfielders and keeps the ball moving which is very important for moving the opposition around and imo doesn't bottle it at all. Also i'm in a bit of a wind up mood tonight so thanks for playing Well we're all entitled to our opinions. I thought being a wind up only counts when you're having a laugh, not being a patronising so and so, but I guess you got me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Griffin said: Well we're all entitled to our opinions. I thought being a wind up only counts when you're having a laugh, not being a patronising so and so, but I guess you got me! There's more than one way of skinning a cat Griffin, apologies if i got to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 4 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: There's more than one way of skinning a cat Griffin, apologies if i got to you Apology accepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT's Vaseline Tub Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 On 17/01/2017 at 10:13, Griffin said: Johnsons turning Pack in to a 'mini me', talks the talk but can't pass forward if his life depended on it. Just suicidal passes backwards like he did on Sat against Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Derek from Nailsea said: Just suicidal passes backwards like he did on Sat against Cardiff. He was just moving the strikers around!! making space!! obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Griffin said: Next game watch him, frequently bottles a potentially good pass forwards, I really do wonder what some people are watching. I wonder the same about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, JasonM88 said: I wonder the same about you. Keep an eye out next game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, Griffin said: Keep an eye out next game Oh, I watch almost every game. But no, my opinion isn't valid because some cretin on OTIB thinks his opinion is better and more important than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Just now, JasonM88 said: Oh, I watch almost every game. But no, my opinion isn't valid because some cretin on OTIB thinks his opinion is better and more important than anyone else. You're joking right? That's hilarious, bad day at work or something? Some cretin, funny guy. My opinion isn't better or more important than anyone elses. I don't know who you think you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Griffin said: You're joking right? That's hilarious, bad day at work or something? Some cretin, funny guy. My opinion isn't better or more important than anyone elses. I don't know who you think you are Very good day at work, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: Very good day at work, thank you. Just naturally rude then? I dislike Pack, which makes me notice his bad passing more. My opinion isn't better or more important though, jheez, I didn't even say I was right when I was told I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 Pack hhhhmmm not sure about him, good ball retention, passing across the ground and good in the air...but then spoils everything thinking he is gerreard and trying to spread his big champagne balls forward to our wing backs that barely ever get past the opposition fullback. will never be a prem class player probably punching above his weight in the championship, I'm neither enthused or dissaponted with him, just seems to be a very average player at this level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 34 minutes ago, Griffin said: Just naturally rude then? I dislike Pack, which makes me notice his bad passing more. My opinion isn't better or more important though, jheez, I didn't even say I was right when I was told I was wrong. Maybe because you dislike him you don't notice he has the high pass completion rate in the team, half foward half backward. You may also not notice the number of tackles he puts in before the ball reaches defence and how he's a go to player for other players when they're under pressure. Another thing you may not notice is his physical presence that no other cm in our squad offers. Just maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: Maybe because you dislike him you don't notice he has the high pass completion rate in the team, half foward half backward. You may also not notice the number of tackles he puts in before the ball reaches defence and how he's a go to player for other players when they're under pressure. Another thing you may not notice is his physical presence that no other cm in our squad offers. Just maybe... His passing completion rate isn't a stat that can really be used in this argument due to the backwards/safe passing that he does. As one of our bigger players and playing CDM I'd hope that he puts tackles in that area. I know it's a bit cheap for me to say but now we have Hegler we have more physical presence in that area too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 40 minutes ago, Griffin said: Just naturally rude then? I dislike Pack, which makes me notice his bad passing more. My opinion isn't better or more important though, jheez, I didn't even say I was right when I was told I was wrong. The problem is you dislike him, so anything good he does you choose to ignore. Pack is not the greatest player in the world but he's a good squad player for us to have and in my opinion has improved every year he has been with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, smokey live said: The problem is you dislike him, so anything good he does you choose to ignore. Pack is not the greatest player in the world but he's a good squad player for us to have and in my opinion has improved every year he has been with us I honestly think I judge people fairly, I don't think I miss his good things. I'm just more aware, therefore pick up his bad things, I think. I might be completely wrong and it's all in my head but I genuinely think I judge people well without emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokey Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Griffin said: I honestly think I judge people fairly, I don't think I miss his good things. I'm just more aware, therefore pick up his bad things, I think. I might be completely wrong and it's all in my head but I genuinely think I judge people well without emotion. That fair enough. I have noticed lots of players doing things they didn't do earlier in the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, smokey live said: That fair enough. I have noticed lots of players doing things they didn't do earlier in the season I appreciate the open minded conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2017 Report Share Posted January 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Griffin said: I honestly think I judge people fairly, I don't think I miss his good things. I'm just more aware, therefore pick up his bad things, I think. I might be completely wrong and it's all in my head but I genuinely think I judge people well without emotion. It does happen a lot to be fair that when players are lacking confidence they go hiding a bit and want to make the easy pass , perhaps packs doing that a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 10 hours ago, Griffin said: His passing completion rate isn't a stat that can really be used in this argument due to the backwards/safe passing that he does. As one of our bigger players and playing CDM I'd hope that he puts tackles in that area. I know it's a bit cheap for me to say but now we have Hegler we have more physical presence in that area too. Exactly... twice against Fleetwood after he came on as sub he did great reading the game and intercepting in their half... the first time he then turned and passed the ball back into our own half, the second time he carried the ball backwards before losing possession on the half-way line. His chronic lack of pace is often exposed too, such that when he loses the ball he can't recover to chase back and retackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Leigh of Somerset Posted January 19, 2017 Report Share Posted January 19, 2017 12 hours ago, smokey live said: The problem is you dislike him, so anything good he does you choose to ignore. Pack is not the greatest player in the world but he's a good squad player for us to have and in my opinion has improved every year he has been with us I honestly think I judge people fairly, I don't think I miss his good things. I'm just more aware, therefore pick up his bad things, I think. I might be completely wrong and it's all in my head but I genuinely think I judge people well without emotion. Hi Griffin. You're right. It really is all in your head! It's impossible to 'judge people well without emotion' when you openly dislike them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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