marmite Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Many on here, including me say the side is lacking width. Do we really need to recruit on this area or do we already have the answer with Luke Freeman. If he wants to leave we may as well make the most of him while we have him. He may be inconsistent this season but who hasn't? At least he can stretch defences wide and leave more space in the middle for our front two. Has he played much when we have had 2 up top to cross for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, marmite said: Many on here, including me say the side is lacking width. Do we really need to recruit on this area or do we already have the answer with Luke Freeman. If he wants to leave we may as well make the most of him while we have him. He may be inconsistent this season but who hasn't? At least he can stretch defences wide and leave more space in the middle for our front two. Has he played much when we have had 2 up top to cross for? The issue is he is playing 3-5-2 now the width must come from the Wing backs so you need to sign players to play Wing back. Freeman would be in the pocket behind the strikers like Tomlin or Patterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, MattRSp95 said: The issue is he is playing 3-5-2 now the width must come from the Wing backs so you need to sign players to play Wing back. Freeman would be in the pocket behind the strikers like Tomlin or Patterson Trouble is our wing backs play too narrow and too deep. Freeman would offer attacking width if we could accommodate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, marmite said: Trouble is our wing backs play too narrow and too deep. Freeman would offer attacking width if we could accommodate him. Exactly, he did that start of the season but with a change in system means pushing him and Patterson inside. If we want this system and width we need to sign top Wing Backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, MattRSp95 said: The issue is he is playing 3-5-2 now the width must come from the Wing backs so you need to sign players to play Wing back. Freeman would be in the pocket behind the strikers like Tomlin or Patterson The issue is manifold and comes from the fact that the squad still isn't quite there. Until recently: - Abraham up front alone, even with attacking midfielders around him, gets isolated and bullied - Abraham is our main threat, so must play - Now we're limited to formations with at least 2 forwards - If we play 3 up front, Wilbraham can't play wide at his age and Tomlin likes to be in the middle, so no width there - Central midfield is too weak with just 2 players. If we play 3 there then we can't accommodate wide players in midfield - Our full backs aren't good enough to provide attacking width without leaving the tow centre halves isolated That makes 3-5-2 the least-worst option at the moment, though I don't like it myself, and as you correctly identify, Bryan/Golbourne and Little/Matthews are not ideal wing backs for various reasons. However, with the new signings, we have a strong player up front to support Abraham and an excellent all-round central midfielder that may permit playing 2 in midfield. I think LJ would like to play with a back 4 and attacking fullbacks. I think he believes that Bryan can be one of those in time, but it's clear that Little and Matthews aren't up to it for various reasons, so I'd imagine right back is a top priority position for recruitment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 26 minutes ago, marmite said: Many on here, including me say the side is lacking width. Do we really need to recruit on this area or do we already have the answer with Luke Freeman. If he wants to leave we may as well make the most of him while we have him. He may be inconsistent this season but who hasn't? At least he can stretch defences wide and leave more space in the middle for our front two. Has he played much when we have had 2 up top to cross for? So you're saying ' never mind the quality feel the width ' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Freeman isn't for me. I'm old fashioned, I like electric pace on the wing. Give me another Murray/Adomah and I'll be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Thats what my missus keeps saying! Its girth I tell her FFS, she just doesn't listen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, BCFC_Dan said: The issue is manifold and comes from the fact that the squad still isn't quite there. Until recently: - Abraham up front alone, even with attacking midfielders around him, gets isolated and bullied - Abraham is our main threat, so must play - Now we're limited to formations with at least 2 forwards - If we play 3 up front, Wilbraham can't play wide at his age and Tomlin likes to be in the middle, so no width there - Central midfield is too weak with just 2 players. If we play 3 there then we can't accommodate wide players in midfield - Our full backs aren't good enough to provide attacking width without leaving the tow centre halves isolated That makes 3-5-2 the least-worst option at the moment, though I don't like it myself, and as you correctly identify, Bryan/Golbourne and Little/Matthews are not ideal wing backs for various reasons. However, with the new signings, we have a strong player up front to support Abraham and an excellent all-round central midfielder that may permit playing 2 in midfield. I think LJ would like to play with a back 4 and attacking fullbacks. I think he believes that Bryan can be one of those in time, but it's clear that Little and Matthews aren't up to it for various reasons, so I'd imagine right back is a top priority position for recruitment. Yeah completely agree, I can't really add anything to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 39 minutes ago, marmite said: Trouble is our wing backs play too narrow and too deep. Freeman would offer attacking width if we could accommodate him. Football's a funny old game. I'm just wondering which games you are watching? "too narrow"??? This is madness. Bryan's left foot has not been on the pitch for the last ten games (Reading aside). Little barely ever moves more than 5 metres from the touchline. The problem is that the wingbacks stay rigidly on the line and are then easy to mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Chivs said: Football's a funny old game. I'm just wondering which games you are watching? "too narrow"??? This is madness. Bryan's left foot has not been on the pitch for the last ten games (Reading aside). Little barely ever moves more than 5 metres from the touchline. The problem is that the wingbacks stay rigidly on the line and are then easy to mark. Chivs - you aren't far from the truth there, they do play too wide. JB will come inside for the ball inside the RB and RCB in the final third, but doesn't come inside in the further out build up. Little only comes inside with the ball. Was watching Gunter (Reading v someone the other Friday) and he often came inside 10-15-20 yards to get the ball, often McCleary moving outside him as the rotated their movement well. The Liverpool side under Benitez (at the end) and Hodgson had a team of players whom the majority never stepped out of their shape. Only the quality of Gerrard, Torres, Alonso got them results. They were awful to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswoodactor Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 We basically need a Championship version of Kyle Walker or Victor Moses. Any ideas?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 22 minutes ago, Kingswoodactor said: We basically need a Championship version of Kyle Walker or Victor Moses. Any ideas?! We'd sign Kyle Moses or Victor Walker!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 Think we need more girth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 hours ago, MattRSp95 said: The issue is he is playing 3-5-2 now the width must come from the Wing backs so you need to sign players to play Wing back. Freeman would be in the pocket behind the strikers like Tomlin or Patterson Freeman has no end product. 4 minutes ago, shelts said: Think we need more girth See above uhhhhhummm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Footman's T shirt Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Kingswoodactor said: We basically need a Championship version of Kyle Walker or Victor Moses. Any ideas?! Leeds have a right back called Ayling who might fit the bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 What happened to Jonas Svennson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 hours ago, marmite said: Trouble is our wing backs play too narrow and too deep. Freeman would offer attacking width if we could accommodate him. Genuine question...with respect...do you actually go to games? Our wing backs very rarely leave the touchline. The only time they do, is when we defend, when they come inside and take up positions nearer the edge of the 18 yard box. Little and Bryan are often found out wide hugging the touchline. Don't confuse width with wingers. You only had to see how Bryan took advantage at Fleetwood, robbed the ball on the touchline and nearly scored from both interceptions. We offer attacking width...but not in the sense of a 'traditional' winger. Freeman, is not the type of player that does this. He takes way too many touch's....and lets the opposition regain shape. We need quick, pass and go movement...not pass, receive, step over, step over, go sideways, reverse....then pass. Only for it to go to Tomlin and him do the same. That's been our biggest problem this season...lots of foreplay, but no penetration ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 hours ago, supercidered said: Thats what my missus keeps saying! Its girth I tell her FFS, she just doesn't listen!! Don't think it''s a 44" waist she wants though super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 4 hours ago, Major Isewater said: So you're saying ' never mind the quality feel the width ' ? Damn. Beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityred exile Posted January 20, 2017 Report Share Posted January 20, 2017 6 hours ago, Chivs said: Football's a funny old game. I'm just wondering which games you are watching? "too narrow"??? This is madness. Bryan's left foot has not been on the pitch for the last ten games (Reading aside). Little barely ever moves more than 5 metres from the touchline. The problem is that the wingbacks stay rigidly on the line and are then easy to mark. Fully agree , wasn't these 2 our wing backs in the double winning season !?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Almost ready.... ....definitely Marmite (be careful what you wish for) .... eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 11 hours ago, WhistleHappy said: Almost ready.... ....definitely Marmite (be careful what you wish for) .... eh? why didnt we get her instead of Giefer...............goal would be safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3City Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Is it just me or does anyone else think that Little can't kick the ball properly? I'm not being funny, but I can't remember a decent cross from him. I'm not knocking his effort as I believe he's trying really hard and has improved a lot recently, but he's just not up to scratch as a wing back. We've got a great big target in the middle now, and I know I may be over simplifying things but let's get some decent balls into the box and cause some mayhem. For that reason thanks for your efforts Mark, but I think an attacking full back has to be next on our shopping list... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stokes7 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I like mark little for the effort he puts but he can't defend and can't cross, and just like fielding every game there is a mistake waiting to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, BS3City said: Is it just me or does anyone else think that Little can't kick the ball properly? I'm not being funny, but I can't remember a decent cross from him. I'm not knocking his effort as I believe he's trying really hard and has improved a lot recently, but he's just not up to scratch as a wing back. We've got a great big target in the middle now, and I know I may be over simplifying things but let's get some decent balls into the box and cause some mayhem. For that reason thanks for your efforts Mark, but I think an attacking full back has to be next on our shopping list... Maybe you're not so far from hitting a nail on a head ... are there lessons to be learned regarding 'kicking a ball'? Here is ....... A painful blast from the past soz .... (what was Big Mal's ball kicking 'secret'? did it really exist?, has it gone to the grave with him? Do we know it?) http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-allison-puffs-hope-into-rovers-1563589.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 On 1/20/2017 at 20:11, downendcity said: Don't think it''s a 44" waist she wants though super. I know.... thats what shes got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 On Friday, January 20, 2017 at 15:38, marmite said: Trouble is our wing backs play too narrow and too deep. Freeman would offer attacking width if we could accommodate him. The funny thing we sign a 6ft plus striker an dont play with any width Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 On 21/01/2017 at 01:19, WhistleHappy said: Almost ready.... ....definitely Marmite (be careful what you wish for) .... eh? Blimey....:. I realise sugar ....but .....Marmite ...... does this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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