RT's Vaseline Tub Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Derek from Nailsea said: MA & LJ are 2 peas from the same pod in that they talk extravagantly with no real substance. e.g. Europa League within 5 years was quoted pre season. LJ was always the Lansdown's choice which was flawed from the start as you'd always look at all the viable options. MA is just a puppet albeit paid handsomely. Where was he from the glory days of early Sept until recently - nowhere to be seen. He popped up though at Fleetwood in the away end- just crass PR when hardly anyone there to hold him to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 MA so far has delivered his job brief. Lee has not. What else was MA going to say on LJ's appointment? "This guy won't work out" . Of course not. If anyone has doubts about his ruthlessness then I'm afraid they are seriously underestimating MA. The only person keeping Lee at the club tonight is SL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Charliesboots said: MA so far has delivered his job brief. Lee has not. What else was MA going to say on LJ's appointment? "This guy won't work out" . Of course not. If anyone has doubts about his ruthlessness then I'm afraid they are seriously underestimating MA. The only person keeping Lee at the club tonight is SL. What was MAs brief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonG666 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Both LJ and MA have been talking a good game recently but that's about it at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Damian666 said: Both LJ and MA have been talking a good game recently but that's about it at the moment To me MA can sort out contracts. What else he is good at I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: Let's be honest. It wasn't MA who appointed him. SL has had a friendship with LJ since his playing days and imo it was his appointment. SL has delivered on a amazing scale for our club but the bloke can't pick a manager and as with GJ was to loyal . That's it, SL is continuing the Johnson nepotism. SL should instead sort out the pies and the bogs and leave the football appointments to a proper director of football who isn't frightened of a proper manager. Remind me to kick myself up the arse (again) for being stuck loving a Club that's now a cosy, amateurish, wealthy owner's plaything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I can't actually believe that anyone believed that we ever went through any 'due process' at all Does anyone really believe we sifted through reams of candidates , did 'due process' on the best and at the end of this exhaustive process the top candidate just happened to be ...... John & Steves big buddy ....... Lee Johnson Spoooooky Mark Ashton having just secured a new , high powered, well paid role was never going to say much else. His problem now is , having spouted so much praise on Lee and how lucky we are to have him, his reputation also takes a major blow with this shambles Didn't someone on here say that LJ would be the next manager/coach, the year before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonG666 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: To me MA can sort out contracts. What else he is good at I have no idea. He is a good businessman and has brokered loads of deals since he has arrived, but he needs to wheld the axe and chop LJ as his next bit of business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Damian666 said: He is a good businessman and has brokered loads of deals since he has arrived, but he needs to wheld the axe and chop LJ If that's his remit then he's doing a piss poor job right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: What was MAs brief? 1:12 onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Charliesboots said: 1:12 onwards. At best he's done pretty poorly then, from a performance perspective. The future may look better, but nothing tangible yet. The Academy promises very little still, albeit its always been crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, EnclosureSurge said: There are a lot of people needing to look at themselves at the moment: the manager said the same about some of the players. Expect sales of mirrors to rocket. The manager spent millions on those players. 4 of them been here a couple of weeks. The one constant is the manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkRed! Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Ashton and Taylor have brought in good players. Johnson is not capable of getting the best out of them.... must be sacked....should have resigned....so demoralising watching us slide down the league.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said: At best he's done pretty poorly then, from a performance perspective. The future may look better, but nothing tangible yet. The Academy promises very little still, albeit its always been crap. Disagreements are healthy CR, as far as I can see he's doing his job. On the "Head Coach" matter? Well that for me is one in which I believe that he wants to act but cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Redland said: A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position. Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar. We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and Barnsley. Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:- 1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or 2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement. Answers on a post card please. He said he was surprised about the number and quality. Maybe there was only one shit applicant?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Let's be honest. It wasn't MA who appointed him. SL has had a friendship with LJ since his playing days and imo it was his appointment. SL has delivered on a amazing scale for our club but the bloke can't pick a manager and as with GJ was to loyal . Agreed, but I've seen a number of posts on here saying LJ is a long time friend of JL - similar age. If that's the case it's possible LJ was always earmarked as a future long term City manager partly with the aim he'd be in situ at a time when SL perhaps gradually passes on the City baton to JL. Such a plan, if it ever existed, might even have worked out very well, but only in the far future if LJ had ever proved himself to be anything like worthy of managing City at Championship level inbetween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bs3 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Redland said: A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position. Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar. We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and Barnsley. Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:- 1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or 2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement. Answers on a post card please. Answer- Mark Ashton is full of Sh1t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Charliesboots said: Disagreements are healthy CR, as far as I can see he's doing his job. On the "Head Coach" matter? Well that for me is one in which I believe that he wants to act but cannot. Seems that way. A sugar daddy operating above a board rarely works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I wouldn't trust Mark Ashton as far as I could throw him!! Jobs for the boys come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Redland said: A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position. Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar. We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and Barnsley. Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:- 1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or 2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement. Answers on a post card please. Not sure if this is fact but read on here that LJ was the only person to be interviewed??-im hoping this is bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Full nelson said: I wouldn't trust Mark Ashton as far as I could throw him!! Jobs for the boys come to mind. Which is why he's right for the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Full nelson said: I wouldn't trust Mark Ashton as far as I could throw him!! Jobs for the boys come to mind. Strangely. I don't see him as an advocate of that. I reckon he is more objective. His hands do seem tied on the big decision. He just won't say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Charliesboots said: Which is why he's right for the job Clearly!! His 17 signings are just swell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFree Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 3. Was he actual the cheap option who would always tow the company line but who actually seemed to make sense at interview? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Full nelson said: Clearly!! His 17 signings are just swell Off you go then all 17....your assessment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I've no issue at all with the fact the appointment hasn't worked out. Employing people is always a mixture of luck and judgement and you can easily make a decision that doesn't pan out in hindsight. I can understand the board's rationale on appointing LJ and Pearson, who everyone wanted, had a nightmare at Derby. Meanwhile look at Reading. We all raised eyebrows at Jaap Stam but he has done superbly. The simple fact is that, at League One and Championship level, the vast majority of managerial appointments ultimately end in failure and I don't really believe that our board's record is that much worse than most other clubs on that score. However, whilst I can understand an appointment not working, it is vital the board acknowledge it has not worked and rectify the situation. Now is the time to act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: 3) He was told who would emerge as the No 1 Candidate and spouted the Company line This all day long. Dont blame MA mate. The poor bloke was given the horrible task of spinning this completely ridiculous appointment to the fans. IT WAS SL WHO WANTED LJ ALL DAY LONG. i feel sorry for MA i really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Charliesboots said: Off you go then all 17....your assessment My thumbs hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, milo1111 said: This all day long. Dont blame MA mate. The poor bloke was given the horrible task of spinning this completely ridiculous appointment to the fans. IT WAS SL WHO WANTED LJ ALL DAY LONG. i feel sorry for MA i really do. Don't feel sorry milo He towed the party line when he weighed up the alternative of forsaking a hefty annual salary His choice Many would do the same But he's now labelled to a great degree with LJ , or at least the b*******t surrounding, and following LJs appointment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Charliesboots said: Off you go then all 17....your assessment I can think of 15 plus the academy players he's brought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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