Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson

[Redland]

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

[CotswoldRed]

Put like that, it seems MA was more impressed with LJs patter than anything else. 

[Iron Acton Red]

1 minute ago, Redland said:

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

Probably both.

[BobBobSuperBob]

2 minutes ago, Redland said:

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

3) He was told who would emerge as the No 1 Candidate and spouted the Company line

[petehinton]

He was the standout candidate because he is the only manager that was interviewed

[steviestevieneville]

3 minutes ago, Redland said:

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

Let's be honest. It wasn't MA who appointed him. SL has had a friendship with LJ since his playing days and imo it was his appointment. SL has delivered on a amazing scale for our club but the bloke can't pick a manager and as with GJ was to loyal . 

[Redland]

2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Let's be honest. It wasn't MA who appointed him. SL has had a friendship with LJ since his playing days and imo it was his appointment. SL has delivered on a amazing scale for our club but the bloke can't pick a manager and as with GJ was to loyal . 

In that case why did MA go on record as saying that LJ was the standout candidate and that he had recommended him to the board?

[Lack of Action Man]

The suprising candidate was the Sunderland chap on here a few days ago who wrote that humerous book, clearly.

[WarksRobin]

TBF, LJ has had some innovative ideas, such as using a drone to film training. It's just these ideas they haven't proven very effective. I suspect MA and SL put too much weight on innovation and not enough on experience when selecting LJ.

[BigTone]

14 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

Put like that, it seems MA was more impressed with LJs patter than anything else. 

We were all guilty of that when he first arrived here

[CotswoldRed]

3 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

TBF, LJ has had some innovative ideas, such as using a drone to film training. It's just these ideas they haven't proven very effective. I suspect MA and SL put too much weight on innovation and not enough on experience when selecting LJ.

We can all read the Internet and copy new ideas. 

[cityloyal473]

3 minutes ago, petehinton said:

He was the standout candidate because he is the only manager that was interviewed

Bingo.  I've said this before: his appointment was a stitch up.

In no other work place would you not interview other candidates for a position.  You have a duty of responsibility to shareholders, board members, customers etc.  You do due diligence.  That did not happen with Johnson and I find it ******* disgusting. 

There is nothing in his previous managerial record that marked him out as the man to take us forwards.  He is a run of the mill, mid table division one manager.  He should stick to whats he's good at: buying/selling property.  Clarke at the sags has achieved more than Johnson in his managerial career.  His appointment is a blatant case of cronyism.  MA/SL et al., should hang their heads in shame.

[steviestevieneville]

6 minutes ago, Redland said:

In that case why did MA go on record as saying that LJ was the standout candidate and that he had recommended him to the board?

It's just my opinion

[Buster Footman's T shirt]

19 minutes ago, Redland said:

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

For whatever reason, the club seems opposed to appointing a manager with experience and a sucessful track record at this level or above. It may be that we are unable to attract that calibre of manager. Coppell took one look and hopped it. 

An exeperienced hand is required to compete at this level. That will mean that it cannot be a 'yes man'. Despite MA 's claims to the contrary I would argue that the club is perceived from the outside to be not an attractive option for many. Sadly.

[BobBobSuperBob]

I can't actually believe that anyone believed that we ever went through any 'due process' at all

Does anyone really believe we sifted through reams of candidates , did 'due process' on the best and at the end of this exhaustive process the top candidate just happened to be ...... John & Steves big buddy ....... Lee Johnson

Spoooooky

 

Mark Ashton having just secured a new , high powered, well paid role was never going to say much else.

His problem now is , having spouted so much praise on Lee and how lucky we are to have him, his reputation also takes a major blow with this shambles 

[Northern Red]

7 minutes ago, cityloyal473 said:

Bingo.  I've said this before: his appointment was a stitch up.

In no other work place would you not interview other candidates for a position.  You have a duty of responsibility to shareholders, board members, customers etc.  You do due diligence.  That did not happen with Johnson and I find it ******* disgusting. 

There is nothing in his previous managerial record that marked him out as the man to take us forwards.  He is a run of the mill, mid table division one manager.  He should stick to whats he's good at: buying/selling property.  Clarke at the sags has achieved more than Johnson in his managerial career.  His appointment is a blatant case of cronyism.  MA/SL et al., should hang their heads in shame.

If Johnson was a case of cronyism then so was Cotterill before him, plus countless other appointments at clubs up and down the land. 

[CotswoldRed]

1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I can't actually believe that anyone believed that we ever went through any 'due process' at all

Doesmnayone we sifted reams of candidates , did 'due process' on the best and at the end of this exhaustive process the top candidate just happened to be ...... John & Steves big buddy ....... Lee Johnson

Spoooooky

 

Mark Ashton having just secured a new , high powered, well paid role was never going to say much else.

His problem now is , having spouted so much praise on Lee and how lucky we are to have him, his reputation also takes a major blow with this shambles 

People in his position are paid to have good judgement. Now's the time to show it. 

[Redland]

In view of the  situation we are in I would be very interested to know who the quality candidates we rejected were. 

[CotswoldRed]

Just now, Redland said:

In view of the  situation we are in I would be very interested to know who the quality candidates we rejected were. 

We are BCFC. We say nothing.

[chinapig]

35 minutes ago, Redland said:

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

Most old school managers want complete control and are not willing to be just one of a wider team as we require of a first team coach. Nor are they much bothered about the long term future given they are not likely to be around to see it.

[Up The City!]

Will you be disappointed if LJ is sacked? Imo steering us clear of relegation last season was as big as an achievement as Cotts getting us promoted. 

[boss hogg]

26 minutes ago, BigTone said:

We were all guilty of that when he first arrived here

not everyone mate.

[Andy Horsman]

11 minutes ago, Redland said:

In view of the  situation we are in I would be very interested to know who the quality candidates we rejected were. 

The ones who clearly wanted to be Managers and not Head Coach within a framework that had been constructed to be more continental and 'forward thinking'. The type of gaffers a lot of OTIB posters would want would possibly be less pliable and more 'old school' in their perceptions of the role of the football manager. ITK? not at all, just reading between the lines.

[CotswoldRed]

Just now, Andy Horsman said:

The ones who clearly wanted to be Managers and not Head Coach within a framework that had been constructed to be more continental and 'forward thinking'. The type of gaffers a lot of OTIB posters would want would possibly be less pliable and more 'old school' in their perceptions of the role of the football manager. ITK? not at all, just reading between the lines.

Ive got a headache now. 

[EnclosureSurge]

32 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

Mark Ashton needs to look at himself for recommending a new contract to the board when we were already on a poor run 

There are a lot of people needing to look at themselves at the moment: the manager said the same about some of the players. Expect sales of mirrors to rocket.

[stephenkibby.]

50 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

We are BCFC. We say nothing.

We are BCFC. We always F... it up.

[chinapig]

40 minutes ago, Andy Horsman said:

The ones who clearly wanted to be Managers and not Head Coach within a framework that had been constructed to be more continental and 'forward thinking'. The type of gaffers a lot of OTIB posters would want would possibly be less pliable and more 'old school' in their perceptions of the role of the football manager. ITK? not at all, just reading between the lines.

Yep, I said much the same above. Those who are desperate for a 'big name' are going to be disappointed.

[RT's Vaseline Tub]

MA & LJ are 2 peas from the same pod in that they talk extravagantly with no real substance.

e.g. Europa League within 5 years was quoted pre season.

LJ was always the Lansdown's choice which was flawed from the start as you'd always look at all the viable options.

MA is just a puppet albeit paid handsomely. 

Where was he from the glory days of early Sept until recently - nowhere to be seen.

 

[CotswoldRed]

The Europa league bull is an utter embarrassment. Do they not see how far away from that we are? 

Its like Arkwright taking on Tesco. 

[RT's Vaseline Tub]

2 minutes ago, Derek from Nailsea said:

MA & LJ are 2 peas from the same pod in that they talk extravagantly with no real substance.

e.g. Europa League within 5 years was quoted pre season.

LJ was always the Lansdown's choice which was flawed from the start as you'd always look at all the viable options.

MA is just a puppet albeit paid handsomely. 

Where was he from the glory days of early Sept until recently - nowhere to be seen.

 

He popped up though at Fleetwood in the away end- just crass PR when hardly anyone there to hold him to account.

[Charliesboots]

MA so far has delivered his job brief.

Lee has not.

What else was MA going to say on LJ's appointment? "This guy won't work out" . Of course not.

If anyone has doubts about his ruthlessness then I'm afraid they are seriously underestimating MA.

The only person keeping Lee at the club tonight is SL.

[CotswoldRed]

1 minute ago, Charliesboots said:

MA so far has delivered his job brief.

Lee has not.

What else was MA going to say on LJ's appointment? "This guy won't work out" . Of course not.

If anyone has doubts about his ruthlessness then I'm afraid they are seriously underestimating MA.

The only person keeping Lee at the club tonight is SL.

What was MAs brief? 

[AshtonG666]

Both LJ and MA have been talking a good game recently but that's about it at the moment 

[CotswoldRed]

Just now, Damian666 said:

Both LJ and MA have been talking a good game recently but that's about it at the moment 

To me MA can sort out contracts. What else he is good at I have no idea. 

[southvillekiddy]

1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

Let's be honest. It wasn't MA who appointed him. SL has had a friendship with LJ since his playing days and imo it was his appointment. SL has delivered on a amazing scale for our club but the bloke can't pick a manager and as with GJ was to loyal . 

That's it, SL is continuing the Johnson nepotism. SL should instead sort out the pies and the bogs and leave the football appointments to a proper director of football who isn't frightened of a proper manager.

Remind me to kick myself up the arse (again) for being stuck loving a Club that's now a cosy, amateurish, wealthy owner's plaything.

[exAtyeoMax]

1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

I can't actually believe that anyone believed that we ever went through any 'due process' at all

Does anyone really believe we sifted through reams of candidates , did 'due process' on the best and at the end of this exhaustive process the top candidate just happened to be ...... John & Steves big buddy ....... Lee Johnson

Spoooooky

 

Mark Ashton having just secured a new , high powered, well paid role was never going to say much else.

His problem now is , having spouted so much praise on Lee and how lucky we are to have him, his reputation also takes a major blow with this shambles 

Didn't someone on here say that LJ would be the next manager/coach, the year before?

[AshtonG666]

4 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

To me MA can sort out contracts. What else he is good at I have no idea. 

He is a good businessman and has brokered loads of deals since he has arrived, but he needs to wheld the axe and chop LJ as his next bit of business 

[CotswoldRed]

Just now, Damian666 said:

He is a good businessman and has brokered loads of deals since he has arrived, but he needs to wheld the axe and chop LJ 

If that's his remit then he's doing a piss poor job right now. 

[Charliesboots]

6 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

What was MAs brief? 

1:12 onwards.

 

 

[CotswoldRed]

2 minutes ago, Charliesboots said:

1:12 onwards.

 

 

At best he's done pretty poorly then, from a performance perspective. The future may look better, but nothing tangible yet. 

The Academy promises very little still, albeit its always been crap. 

[MarkRed!]

Ashton and Taylor have brought in good players. Johnson is not capable of getting the best out of them.... must be sacked....should have resigned....so demoralising watching us slide down the league....

[Charliesboots]

6 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

At best he's done pretty poorly then, from a performance perspective. The future may look better, but nothing tangible yet. 

The Academy promises very little still, albeit its always been crap. 

Disagreements are healthy CR, as far as I can see he's doing his job.

On the "Head Coach" matter? Well that for me is one in which I believe that he wants to act but cannot. 

[Murraysrightplum]

2 hours ago, Redland said:

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

He said he was surprised about the number and quality. Maybe there was only one shit applicant??

[Nogbad the Bad]

6 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Let's be honest. It wasn't MA who appointed him. SL has had a friendship with LJ since his playing days and imo it was his appointment. SL has delivered on a amazing scale for our club but the bloke can't pick a manager and as with GJ was to loyal . 

Agreed, but I've seen a number of posts on here saying LJ is a long time friend of JL - similar age.

If that's the case it's possible LJ was always earmarked as a future long term City manager partly with the aim he'd be in situ at a time when SL perhaps gradually passes on the City baton to JL.

Such a plan, if it ever existed, might even have worked out very well, but only in the far future if LJ had ever proved himself to be anything like worthy of managing City at Championship level inbetween.

[bs3]

2 hours ago, Redland said:

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

Answer- Mark Ashton is full of Sh1t!

[CotswoldRed]

2 minutes ago, Charliesboots said:

Disagreements are healthy CR, as far as I can see he's doing his job.

On the "Head Coach" matter? Well that for me is one in which I believe that he wants to act but cannot. 

Seems that way. A sugar daddy operating above a board rarely works. 

[Full nelson]

I wouldn't trust Mark Ashton as far as I could throw him!!

 

Jobs for the boys come to mind. 

 

 

[Son of Fred]

2 hours ago, Redland said:

A year ago when Steve C was sacked I was disappointed following the previous seasons promotion and "double" but I could understand the board's decision in light of our league position.

Mark Ashton then said we would be "surprised" at the number and quality of applicants for the job. In light of this I was expecting someone with proven Championship/Premier League experience such as Nigel Pearson or similar.

We then appointed ........ Lee Johnson. A manager with no Championship or Premiership experience who had had a mixed time at Oldham and  Barnsley.

Mark Ashton said LJ was the "stand out" candidate whom he had no hesitation in recommending to the board. This raises two questions:-

1) Either we were misled on the quality of the other candidates, or

2) Mark Ashton was guilty of a serious misjudgement.

Answers on a post card please.

 

Not sure if this is fact but read on here that LJ was the only person to be interviewed??-im hoping this is bullshit.

[Charliesboots]

Just now, Full nelson said:

I wouldn't trust Mark Ashton as far as I could throw him!!

 

Jobs for the boys come to mind. 

 

 

Which is why he's right for the job 

[CotswoldRed]

Just now, Full nelson said:

I wouldn't trust Mark Ashton as far as I could throw him!!

 

Jobs for the boys come to mind. 

 

 

Strangely. I don't see him as an advocate of that. I reckon he is more objective. His hands do seem tied on the big decision. 

He just won't say so. 

[Full nelson]

2 minutes ago, Charliesboots said:

Which is why he's right for the job 

Clearly!! His 17 signings are just swell  

[PFree]

3. Was he actual the cheap option who would always tow the company line but who actually seemed to make sense at interview?

[Charliesboots]

3 minutes ago, Full nelson said:

Clearly!! His 17 signings are just swell  

Off you go then all 17....your assessment 

[LondonBristolian]

I've no issue at all with the fact the appointment hasn't worked out. Employing people is always a mixture of luck and judgement and you can easily make a decision that doesn't pan out in hindsight. I can understand the board's rationale on appointing LJ and Pearson, who everyone wanted, had a nightmare at Derby. Meanwhile look at Reading. We all raised eyebrows at Jaap Stam but he has done superbly. The simple fact is that, at League One and Championship level, the vast majority of managerial appointments ultimately end in failure and I don't really believe that our board's record is that much worse than most other clubs on that score.

 

However, whilst I can understand an appointment not working, it is vital the board acknowledge it has not worked and rectify the situation. Now is the time to act.

[milo1111]

2 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

3) He was told who would emerge as the No 1 Candidate and spouted the Company line

This all day long. Dont blame MA mate. The poor bloke was given the horrible task of spinning this completely ridiculous appointment to the fans. IT WAS SL WHO WANTED LJ ALL DAY LONG. i feel sorry for MA i really do.

[Full nelson]

1 minute ago, Charliesboots said:

Off you go then all 17....your assessment 

My thumbs hurt  

[BobBobSuperBob]

1 minute ago, milo1111 said:

This all day long. Dont blame MA mate. The poor bloke was given the horrible task of spinning this completely ridiculous appointment to the fans. IT WAS SL WHO WANTED LJ ALL DAY LONG. i feel sorry for MA i really do.

Don't feel sorry milo

He towed the party line when he weighed up the alternative of forsaking a hefty annual salary

His choice

Many would do the same

But he's now labelled to a great degree with LJ , or at least the b*******t surrounding, and following LJs appointment

[Full nelson]

5 minutes ago, Charliesboots said:

Off you go then all 17....your assessment 

I can think of 15 plus the academy players he's brought in. 

[Charliesboots]

Just now, Full nelson said:

I can think of 15 plus the academy players he's brought in. 

I thought your thumbs hurt....?

Anywhere else hurting?

[Charliesboots]

3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Don't feel sorry milo

He towed the party line when he weighed up the alternative of forsaking a hefty annual salary

His choice

Many would do the same - Guilty of this

But he's now labelled to a great degree with LJ , or at least the b*******t surrounding, and following LJs appointment - which is why he'll push for his dismissal, can't get them all right  

 

[mozo]

2 hours ago, BigTone said:

We were all guilty of that when he first arrived here

I think a lot of us were impressed by results when he came here. Last season ended with 7 wins from 16, including destroying Huddersfield, Bolton and Sheffield Wednesday.

This season, we were top class until October,

Most of us want him gone, but lets not rewrite history.

[CotswoldRed]

1 minute ago, mozo said:

I think a lot of us were impressed by results when he came here. Last season ended with 7 wins from 16, including destroying Huddersfield, Bolton and Sheffield Wednesday.

This season, we were top class until October,

Most of us want him gone, but lets not rewrite history.

I'd rewrite that, insofar as our results were top class. We were a tad lucky and rough around the edges to say the least. 

[Harry]

Not sure why there is criticism of LJ's appointment in terms of him being the only one interviewed.  The same was true of Cotterill.  So it's not an argument that can be specifically brought in this case.
Yes, LJ needs to go, but let's not create reasons that are not unique to his appointment.

As for Ashton - I'm surprised it's taken this long for that interview to pop up again.  I've always had his quote in my mind "I am in charge of all footballing matters".
Therefore, does this suggest that he is responsible for results, as much as LJ?  If he is LJ's boss, then he needs to either a) challenge him on his performance and demand improvement or b) sack him.
Seems he is doing neither.

[Charliesboots]

6 minutes ago, Harry said:

Not sure why there is criticism of LJ's appointment in terms of him being the only one interviewed.  The same was true of Cotterill.  So it's not an argument that can be specifically brought in this case.
Yes, LJ needs to go, but let's not create reasons that are not unique to his appointment.

As for Ashton - I'm surprised it's taken this long for that interview to pop up again.  I've always had his quote in my mind "I am in charge of all footballing matters".
Therefore, does this suggest that he is responsible for results, as much as LJ?  If he is LJ's boss, then he needs to either a) challenge him on his performance and demand improvement or b) sack him.
Seems he is doing neither.

Yet

[RT's Vaseline Tub]

Oxford Utd was his level not a club with Europa league ambitions within 5 years

[mozo]

9 minutes ago, CotswoldRed said:

I'd rewrite that, insofar as our results were top class. We were a tad lucky and rough around the edges to say the least. 

Yeah he got lucky 19 times since February 2016, including a lucky 4-1 win over play-off finalists Sheffield Wednesday, a lucky 6-0 destruction of Bolton, a lucky 4-0 away win at Fulham, lucky progression to round 4 of the League Cup, a lucky win over Aston Villa and Leeds at Ashton gate...

The lucky logic annoys me, because against that rhetoric, LJ could just dismiss all his defeats as 'unlucky'.

There are reasons for sustained success, and also for sustained failure. We should be looking for these reasons, not stooping to claims that he was always rubbish, except for that fluky 8 month period in which he should have bought a lotto ticket.

 

[BigTone]

24 minutes ago, mozo said:

I think a lot of us were impressed by results when he came here. Last season ended with 7 wins from 16, including destroying Huddersfield, Bolton and Sheffield Wednesday.

This season, we were top class until October,

Most of us want him gone, but lets not rewrite history.

Indeed not

ps: How's Trev ?

[CotswoldRed]

1 minute ago, mozo said:

Yeah he got lucky 19 times since February 2016, including a lucky 4-1 win over play-off finalists Sheffield Wednesday, a lucky 6-0 destruction of Bolton, a lucky 4-0 away win at Fulham, lucky progression to round 4 of the League Cup, a lucky win over Aston Villa and Leeds at Ashton gate...

The lucky logic annoys me, because against that rhetoric, LJ could just dismiss all his defeats as 'unlucky'.

There are reasons for sustained success, and also for sustained failure. We should be looking for these reasons, not stooping to claims that he was always rubbish, except for that fluky 8 month period in which he should have bought a lotto ticket.

 

I was talking about this season. Not once this season have I watched them win and thought we deserved the final scoreline. We have been second rate and lucky not to concede a few more. 

I wasn't at Fulham, but the Villa game -  we should have been 4 down at Ht. That's what I mean by lucky. It has papered over very average performances.

I've not been impressed by a single game I've attended this season. 

[RT's Vaseline Tub]

Ashton thought his job was done in the summer sitting back admiring his work puffing a cigar on a job well done.

It's taken until now to hear a peep from him after basking in the glory of an amazing summer window of transfer business.

His words not mine.

[Bizyer]

4 minutes ago, mozo said:

Yeah he got lucky 19 times since February 2016, including a lucky 4-1 win over play-off finalists Sheffield Wednesday, a lucky 6-0 destruction of Bolton, a lucky 4-0 away win at Fulham, lucky progression to round 4 of the League Cup, a lucky win over Aston Villa and Leeds at Ashton gate...

The lucky logic annoys me, because against that rhetoric, LJ could just dismiss all his defeats as 'unlucky'.

There are reasons for sustained success, and also for sustained failure. We should be looking for these reasons, not stooping to claims that he was always rubbish, except for that fluky 8 month period in which he should have bought a lotto ticket.

 

Good point and I agree that it wasn't good luck when we were winning and it isn't bad luck when we are now losing so.......what has changed?  I gave read hundreds of posts and no one seems to be able to explain what changed since October.