Up The City! Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Did you really need your own thread? Just saying there is many threads you could have put this in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 41 minutes ago, Flint says No said: Well he's not a very good supporter of the team then you go to support the team not the manager. How old are you mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Midred said: How about the players remember that they are paid by the club and not by the manager/head coach. Will they suddenly remember how to play again like they did 12 months ago if Lee goes? With a different manager giving less confusing instructions, picking a settled team and formation, and not trying to be clever clever by over complicating the game to the extent where it becomes almost unplayable for the players, I've little doubt we'd look twice the team overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, bs3 said: Not shot down by me Andy, I was of the same opinion he should of never got the job , ******* joke of an appointment from day one and I and many others who know football are with you. Its just a shame that the happy clappers and modern experts are now slowly realising the inevitable. Funny how some take such delight in saying "I told you so" and revel in the opportunity to show much cleverer they apparently are than the rest of us. You'd get on well with Londoner. Whilst Johnson's appointment was very few people's first choice, I'd say the most intelligent response by people who "know football" was to give him in a chance, in the knowledge that no one can ever know with any certainty how a managerial appointment will turn out in advance - rather than dismiss it as a "joke of an appointment from day one". You would presumably have come to the same conclusion about Eddie Howe when he was first appointed as a rookie manager at Bournemouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: Funny how some take such delight in saying "I told you so" and revel in the opportunity to show much cleverer they apparently are than the rest of us. You'd get on well with Londoner. Whilst Johnson's appointment was very few people's first choice, I'd say the most intelligent response by people who "know football" was to give him in a chance, in the knowledge that no one can ever know with any certainty how a managerial appointment will turn out in advance - rather than dismiss it as a "joke of an appointment from day one". You would presumably have come to the same conclusion about Eddie Howe when he was first appointed as a rookie manager at Bournemouth. You're right, we weren't in a position to be choosy last year, and it seemed an appropriate appointment at the time. There were pros and cons to his appointment. Ultimately is hasn't worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banglo2011 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 The way it's going i wouldn't be surprised if LJ was sacked and Holden was put in temporary charge,literally anything is possible with this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadman Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, shelts said: Yes. Top five . SOD . Macca . Benny. Pullis . LJ. You can arrange them in any order!! Pretty sure lots will disagree benny was great. l J well he's got the worst record ever for consecutive defeats that's for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 I'm saddened to see people take so much pleasure in seeing the team and LJ fail in order to be 'proven right all along'. I'm genuinely sad it hasn't worked out and genuinely sad we've lost 8 in a row but obviously some aren't. I really really hope that no players or manager ever read this forum for the absolute 'I told you so', 'I know better' hindsight warriors who revel in rubbing it in people's faces who are doing their level best for the club. If that's the case. We are Bristol City. We shall forever underachieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: Funny how some take such delight in saying "I told you so" and revel in the opportunity to show much cleverer they apparently are than the rest of us. You'd get on well with Londoner. Whilst Johnson's appointment was very few people's first choice, I'd say the most intelligent response by people who "know football" was to give him in a chance, in the knowledge that no one can ever know with any certainty how a managerial appointment will turn out in advance - rather than dismiss it as a "joke of an appointment from day one". You would presumably have come to the same conclusion about Eddie Howe when he was first appointed as a rookie manager at Bournemouth. I don't think many are doing that, but alot of us did say pre-appointment that it was completely unfathomable and could see almost no chance of it succeeding. Having said that we also said we would get behind LJ once appointed, and, speaking for myself, have stuck to that until relatively recently. Forum kudos for being 'proved right' really isn't important; the fact the club seemed intent, by LJ's extraordinary appointment, on almost inevitably putting us fans through yet another miserable period of poor results, depressing the fanbase yet again, and taking all enjoyment out of watching City was uppermost in my thoughts when I made my negative pre appointment comments. No one can take any pleasure in being 'proved right' when it comes to forecasting managerial failure dictating the near certainty of a period of genuine gloom for City and all us supporters, but really such an outcome from LJ's appointment was utterly predictable. That gloom can only be lifted now by putting right the wrong of LJ's disastrous appointment, and the sooner the better. No one needs to be crowing about how clever they were it if it happens, but it MUST happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 For me the worst manager ever (at least in my lifetime) will always be Jimmy Lumsden. Turned a promotion team into a relegation team in half a season and sold Bob Taylor. LJ's not far behind and gaining ground but surely hasn't got much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 56 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Funny how some take such delight in saying "I told you so" and revel in the opportunity to show much cleverer they apparently are than the rest of us. You'd get on well with Londoner. Whilst Johnson's appointment was very few people's first choice, I'd say the most intelligent response by people who "know football" was to give him in a chance, in the knowledge that no one can ever know with any certainty how a managerial appointment will turn out in advance - rather than dismiss it as a "joke of an appointment from day one". You would presumably have come to the same conclusion about Eddie Howe when he was first appointed as a rookie manager at Bournemouth. Theres a difference between LJ and EH's appointments. EH was at Bournemouth when he was first appointed their manager. LJ was in another job and was headhunted. Bournemouth were skint and struggling when EH was appointed, whereas we were a recently promoted Championship side that were one or two players short of being a decent side. Plus, we have an owner who ( if he really wanted to ) could afford to 'try' and bring in nearly any other football league manager who was employed at the time. The reality is, no other Championship club would have taken LJ as their manager, it was all because he had played for us and the owner likes him as a person. When SC was sacked I don't think anyone on this forum actually thought for one moment that LJ would be our next manager, every out of work manager's name was mentioned, but no one thought we would go for a mid table league one manager who was employed at the time. LJ had only left us as a player about 3-4 years before, it was bloody obvious that in those 3-4 years he hadn't magically gone from a decent ( but limited) midfielder in the football league, to this super duper modern coach that we were being told he had suddenly become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, KingLear said: I'm saddened to see people take so much pleasure in seeing the team and LJ fail in order to be 'proven right all along'. I'm genuinely sad it hasn't worked out and genuinely sad we've lost 8 in a row but obviously some aren't. I really really hope that no players or manager ever read this forum for the absolute 'I told you so', 'I know better' hindsight warriors who revel in rubbing it in people's faces who are doing their level best for the club. If that's the case. We are Bristol City. We shall forever underachieve. There are a few who are taking pleasure in LJ's failure. I'm not one of them, even though I feel he now has to go. Lets be realistic though, LJ as a player split the fan base down the middle 50/50. Some blamed him for everything,some fully supported him. So it was bloody obvious he would always be on shaky ground when he became our manager, we all knew ( yes everyone of us ) that his first bad run of results would open up the divide once again. Unfortunatly this bad run is worse than anyone could have imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Portland Bill said: There are a few who are taking pleasure in LJ's failure. I'm not one of them, even though I feel he now has to go. Lets be realistic though, LJ as a player split the fan base down the middle 50/50. Some blamed him for everything,some fully supported him. So it was bloody obvious he would always be on shaky ground when he became our manager, we all knew ( yes everyone of us ) that his first bad run of results would open up the divide once again. Absolutely right and it's a shame that those who disliked him as a player would never have given him a fair crack as manager. If he gets the chop then none of us can argue, the worst run of form in our history. Massive shame as it all looked so good earlier in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 hours ago, shelts said: Definitely not the worst we've ever had. Still it's your opinion and your welcome to it . Well no other has managed 8 straight league defeats, so he has to be up there for that fact alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Flint says No said: Great support there Nee Nerr, Nee Nerr,Nee Nerr... superfan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 20 minutes ago, Portland Bill said: Theres a difference between LJ and EH's appointments. EH was at Bournemouth when he was first appointed their manager. LJ was in another job and was headhunted. Bournemouth were skint and struggling when EH was appointed, whereas we were a recently promoted Championship side that were one or two players short of being a decent side. Plus, we have an owner who ( if he really wanted to ) could afford to 'try' and bring in nearly any other football league manager who was employed at the time. The reality is, no other Championship club would have taken LJ as their manager, it was all because he had played for us and the owner likes him as a person. When SC was sacked I don't think anyone on this forum actually thought for one moment that LJ would be our next manager, every out of work manager's name was mentioned, but no one thought we would go for a mid table league one manager who was employed at the time. LJ had only left us as a player about 3-4 years before, it was bloody obvious that in those 3-4 years he hadn't magically gone from a decent ( but limited) midfielder in the football league, to this super duper modern coach that we were being told he had suddenly become. Eddie Howe is in a different class to our incumbent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I don't think many are doing that, but alot of us did say pre-appointment that it was completely unfathomable and could see almost no chance of it succeeding. Having said that we also said we would get behind LJ once appointed, and, speaking for myself, have stuck to that until relatively recently. Forum kudos for being 'proved right' really isn't important; the fact the club seemed intent, by LJ's extraordinary appointment, on almost inevitably putting us fans through yet another miserable period of poor results, depressing the fanbase yet again, and taking all enjoyment out of watching City was uppermost in my thoughts when I made my negative pre appointment comments. No one can take any pleasure in being 'proved right' when it comes to forecasting managerial failure dictating the near certainty of a period of genuine gloom for City and all us supporters, but really such an outcome from LJ's appointment was utterly predictable. That gloom can only be lifted now by putting right the wrong of LJ's disastrous appointment, and the sooner the better. No one needs to be crowing about how clever they were it if it happens, but it MUST happen. Fine margins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said: Funny how some take such delight in saying "I told you so" and revel in the opportunity to show much cleverer they apparently are than the rest of us. You'd get on well with Londoner. Whilst Johnson's appointment was very few people's first choice, I'd say the most intelligent response by people who "know football" was to give him in a chance, in the knowledge that no one can ever know with any certainty how a managerial appointment will turn out in advance - rather than dismiss it as a "joke of an appointment from day one". You would presumably have come to the same conclusion about Eddie Howe when he was first appointed as a rookie manager at Bournemouth. Not at all his view has at least been consistent. 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: You're right, we weren't in a position to be choosy last year, and it seemed an appropriate appointment at the time. There were pros and cons to his appointment. Ultimately is hasn't worked out. Well that wasn't the message from saint Mark Ashton before and after the appointment, but hey perhaps he was bullshitting of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, KingLear said: I'm saddened to see people take so much pleasure in seeing the team and LJ fail in order to be 'proven right all along'. I'm genuinely sad it hasn't worked out and genuinely sad we've lost 8 in a row but obviously some aren't. I really really hope that no players or manager ever read this forum for the absolute 'I told you so', 'I know better' hindsight warriors who revel in rubbing it in people's faces who are doing their level best for the club. If that's the case. We are Bristol City. We shall forever underachieve. Strange post, the first and last sentences are at complete odds with each other, especially given the hailing of the new professional revolution supposedly under way at BCFC and the amount of money invested in players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 hour ago, KingLear said: I'm saddened to see people take so much pleasure in seeing the team and LJ fail in order to be 'proven right all along'. I'm genuinely sad it hasn't worked out and genuinely sad we've lost 8 in a row but obviously some aren't. I really really hope that no players or manager ever read this forum for the absolute 'I told you so', 'I know better' hindsight warriors who revel in rubbing it in people's faces who are doing their level best for the club. If that's the case. We are Bristol City. We shall forever underachieve. I don't take pleasure! If I wanted to take take pleasure, then I'd support some other side. I think 99.5% of our fanbase take no pleasure in the utter fuckwittery that is normal for Bristol City FC. I want a relatively successful side to follow (God knows I've seen some shit times), the odd cup run, and maybe holding our own in the Championship/ lower Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, Esmond Million's Bung said: Strange post, the first and last sentences are at complete odds with each other, especially given the hailing of the new professional revolution supposedly under way at BCFC and the amount of money invested in players. How are they at odds with eachother? People want to be proven that they were right even if that means we lose on the pitch - therefore we shall never move forward as a club. Think they match up pretty well to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Just now, KingLear said: How are they at odds with eachother? People want to be proven that they were right even if that means we lose on the pitch - therefore we shall never move forward as a club. Think they match up pretty well to be honest. The person who started this thread traveled all the way to Nottingham, do you actually believe he made that journey in the hope that they would lose?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 hours ago, shelts said: Definitely not the worst we've ever had. Still it's your opinion and your welcome to it . Oh well maybe we should wait until he officially is!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingLear Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: The person who started this thread traveled all the way to Nottingham, do you actually believe he made that journey in the hope that they would lose?. I don't believe that anyone who calls themselves a fan would ever want us to lose, at least I hope not! But you must have seen the thread entitled 'I hope we lose tonight' that went up during the week? It's indivduals like that who I'm talking about and yes I'm aware that it wasn't the OP who started that thread. I didn't want to start yet another thread on the matter, think there's enough of those to go around as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Bristol City Managers (plenty to choose from) The Good, The Bad & The Fugly who wins/loses?.... YOU DECIDE ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Bristol_City_F.C._managers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, KingLear said: I don't believe that anyone who calls themselves a fan would ever want us to lose, at least I hope not! But you must have seen the thread entitled 'I hope we lose tonight' that went up during the week? It's indivduals like that who I'm talking about and yes I'm aware that it wasn't the OP who started that thread. I didn't want to start yet another thread on the matter, think there's enough of those to go around as it is. Ah OK fair enough you appended your answer to the wrong post, so you must understand mine and others confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted January 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 6 hours ago, Flint says No said: Great support there I've been there through thick and thin mate. This is to muchave. Something has to change Anyone who feels otherwise are morons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted January 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Portland Bill said: There are a few who are taking pleasure in LJ's failure. I'm not one of them, even though I feel he now has to go. Lets be realistic though, LJ as a player split the fan base down the middle 50/50. Some blamed him for everything,some fully supported him. So it was bloody obvious he would always be on shaky ground when he became our manager, we all knew ( yes everyone of us ) that his first bad run of results would open up the divide once again. Unfortunatly this bad run is worse than anyone could have imagined. No one takes "pleasure" What aneeds idiotic comment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Midred said: How about the players remember that they are paid by the club and not by the manager/head coach. Will they suddenly remember how to play again like they did 12 months ago if Lee goes? The answer is yes. Until they decide they want rid of the next one. If you're looking for signs of personal responsibility and ethical behaviour don't start with footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 6 hours ago, shelts said: Definitely not the worst we've ever had. Still it's your opinion and your welcome to it . Please who was worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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