Super Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Whether he is training with them or not he has underperformed massively considering the talent he has. Hardly a shock if he has fallen out with LJ he showed no respect for Eddie Howe either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murraysrightplum Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Young players galore in our team! They get their chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyboy Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 40 minutes ago, bs3 said: Fact about Tomlin , treating players like children Source ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyboy Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 40 minutes ago, bs3 said: And fact about cliques within the team. Source ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyboy Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 43 minutes ago, bs3 said: I'm not going to say how I know this , you don't have to believe it your choice . Is extremley easy to come on here , blow hot air about in the know but not back it up with hard info....to then say I'm not going to say how I know .....but I do makes you look a bit of a prat. If you have fact and can back it up put up or shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Thompson Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 You either get rid of the troublemakers or back the coach.Ask Eddie Howe Lansdown has made his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveybadger Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 I'm a touched confused. Is this a fact or an alternative fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 24 minutes ago, Londoner said: Haha dilusional. Just offering a possible alternative reason why he may be training allegedly with the U23s not saying it's fact ffs why is that deluded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, steveybadger said: I'm a touched confused. Is this a fact or an alternative fact? Fact - 100% i know because the OP said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, bs3 said: Tomlin is training with the U23, Johnson have lost the dressing room. There are know cliques within the team. The the great team spirit which SC built and fosterd is gone. Young players not getting a chance the so called pathway is gone. Johnson treating senior players like children. Lansdown refusing to front up to the reality of the situation. All the optimism from a season or two have gone. Johnson is killing this club and we have to sit back and watch this. Fair shout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Fair play to him doing extra training with the u23's to get rid of some Christmas timber and back into LJ's plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, bs3 said: Tomlin is training with the U23, Johnson have lost the dressing room. There are know cliques within the team. The the great team spirit which SC built and fosterd is gone. Young players not getting a chance the so called pathway is gone. Johnson treating senior players like children. Lansdown refusing to front up to the reality of the situation. All the optimism from a season or two have gone. Johnson is killing this club and we have to sit back and watch this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olé Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Chairman Mao said: Tomlin and Bobby Reid then The two people who were in the midfield when we were 6th now playing with the u23 or training with them. I saw Bobby was in the Under-23's last week. What's the story there, why is he out in the cold? He's the only player LJ has improved? Regarding the main subject of the thread, I've kept pretty quiet about this because it would be ammunition for LJ's supporters to tell me it's everyone else's fault, but Tomlin looked more overweight than usual at Forest when he came on and well off the pace and unfit to seriously contribute at this level. Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londoner Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Olé said: I saw Bobby was in the Under-23's last week. What's the story there, why is he out in the cold? He's the only player LJ has improved? Regarding the main subject of the thread, I've kept pretty quiet about this because it would be ammunition for LJ's supporters to tell me it's everyone else's fault, but Tomlin looked more overweight than usual at Forest when he came on and well off the pace and unfit to seriously contribute at this level. Sad but true. Created a thread on it re tomlin. Very obvious imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said: I wish people would stop chucking this emoji at anyone who posts anything slightly out there. He's clearly not rovers, he's posted over 2,000 times for **** sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: I wish people would stop chucking this emoji at anyone who posts anything slightly out there. He's clearly not rovers, he's posted over 2,000 times for **** sake. It's called deep cover @JasonM88 and it's just been blown. You should be thanking me not hating on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Tomlinson is definitely training with Under 23's. FACT. Well, Tammy Abraham, O'Dowda, Engvall, O'Leary at least. Maybe Brownhill & Lucic..? I think the rest of them are over 23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 55 minutes ago, Super said: Whether he is training with them or not he has underperformed massively considering the talent he has. Hardly a shock if he has fallen out with LJ he showed no respect for Eddie Howe either. Plus he's currently unfit and over weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bobby Bollax said: Plus he's currently unfit and over weight. Don't let that get in the way of a good LJ bashing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Bobby Bollax said: Plus he's currently unfit and over weight. He was that when he joined us on loan....no change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agard Days Night Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said: It's called deep cover @JasonM88 and it's just been blown. You should be thanking me not hating on me. Come back when you've posted over 2000 times on OTIB. Then you'll have my respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Only in the world of football could an overweight, underwhelming, out of form, character be defended when/if punished. LT fell out at his last club. I firmly believe he spoke to LJ as reported and if so he was damn lucky not to find himself immediately transfer listed in my book. If he's being poisonous, divisive, belligerent pack him to the U23's. If he's not training in the right manner to keep himself in the prime fitness we need him, pack him to the U23's. If he packs his bags before the window is over, I'll shed no tears. He's a class player, when he wants to be. He's just like JET in that there's a reason he's at the level he is and he is the one person who mentally can't bring himself to allow himself to play at a higher level. He isn't the player or character we needed. We were deceived. I can excuse that, he was damn exciting on loan. But he's a billy big living off a reputation and is clearly coasting but still expecting to be shown utmost respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, 29AR said: Only in the world of football could an overweight, underwhelming, out of form, character be defended when/if punished. LT fell out at his last club. I firmly believe he spoke to LJ as reported and if so think he was damn lucky not to find himself immediately transfer listed in my book. If he's being poisonous, divisive, belligerent pack him to the U23's. If he's not training in the right manner to keep himself in the prime fitness we need him, pack him to the U23's. If he packs his bags before the window is over, I'll shed no tears. He's a class player, when he wants to be. He's just like JET in that there's a reason he's at the level he is and he is the one person who mentally can't bring himself to allow himself to play at a higher level. He isn't the player or character we needed. We were deceived. I can excuse that, he was damn exciting on loan. But he's a billy big living off a reputation and is clearly coasting but still expecting to be shown utmost respect. Agree with all you say But he is the same Lee Tomlin that LJ /MA wanted to bring here (And it has to be said most on here) They signed him , what did they really expect - anyone with any knowledge of football let alone anyone in the game know what Lee Tomlin can bring , in all ways Was an ideal loan signing at the time , but as a permanent we had to be sure that he would be a good fit - and he was never that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Agree with all you say But he is the same Lee Tomlin that LJ /MA wanted to bring here (And it has to be said most on her) They signed him , what did they really expect - anyone with any knowledge of football let alone anyone in the game know what Lee Tomlin can bring , in all ways Was an ideal loan signing at the time , but as a permanent we had to be sure that he would be a good fit - and he was never that Agree, but I can understand the gamble and excuse it. It was only £3m in the grand scheme of things. That doesn't buy you a whole lot of player nowadays and someone with his talent for £3m simply has to be considered. I can understand thinking: hmm perhaps his Bournemouth fall out is the kick up the arse he needed; the fans will really take to this move; after failing with high profile bids last summer and struggling it will be the boost the club needs; LT seems to love it and has a mate here. It was a gamble but I can totally see the logic in it. At least with JET his problem was his mind was not in football. Nonetheless he was good in the dressing room even when not played. LT mind is on football, not on working hard and not on fostering a good morale when the chips are down. I say keep him where he is. Bring him back if and only if his attitude changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Agree with all you say But he is the same Lee Tomlin that LJ /MA wanted to bring here (And it has to be said most on here) They signed him , what did they really expect - anyone with any knowledge of football let alone anyone in the game know what Lee Tomlin can bring , in all ways Was an ideal loan signing at the time , but as a permanent we had to be sure that he would be a good fit - and he was never that I'm not sure that they were that desperate to get him, the deal took ages to get done and to fair it was ferocious clamouring from the fans (especially this forum) for his signing that all but left them backed into a corner and having to sign him or risk the wrath of our fans every time we lost or didn't score in a game. I was one who was taken in by last years magic but honestly we all knew this would end in tears, maybe not this soon but eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, 29AR said: Agree, but I can understand the gamble and excuse it. It was only £3m in the grand scheme of things. That doesn't buy you a whole lot of player nowadays and someone with his talent for £3m simply has to be considered. I can understand thinking: hmm perhaps his Bournemouth fall out is the kick up the arse he needed; the fans will really take to this move; after failing with high profile bids last summer and struggling it will be the boost the club needs; LT seems to love it and has a mate here. It was a gamble but I can totally see the logic in it. Agree Except it's a big gamble because if there is a problem with any such personality as Tomlin the fall out can spread like a disease in the dressing room Add to that LJs apparent propensity for confrontation , and 'outing' players in public , and I'd suggest there's a questionable situation anyway and thus LT was never a sensible signing For what it's worth I think there are players that are more intelligent and reserved than LT that are equally unhappy or not far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Agree Except it's a bigger gamble because if their is a problem with any such personality as Tomlin the fall out can spread like a disease in the dressing room Add to that LJs apparent propensity for confrontation , and 'outing' players in public , and I'd suggest LT was never a sensible signing For what it's worth I think there are players that are more intelligent and reserved than LT that are equally unhappy or not far away. Yeah I think LJ bit off more than he could chew and perhaps will take his dad's approach more and more iro big name Charlie's. I don't think the harmony can't be rebuilt and I think keeping LT away could help that. I don't think this is the end for LT here either; or even LJ and LT if they both stay. But right now we are in a downward spiral and I don't see LT contributing to change that. When he came here last year LT had a point to prove re his ability. Now he seems to have gotten in to his comfort zone and forgot about performing. If - and it is a big if - we can get some confidence and string some results together I've no doubt LT would reinvigorate himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni71 Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 LT under performed and I think he knows it and using it as an exscuse to cause trouble IMO. Very sad as the fans love him and his match winning ability. Team needs to bond and heal quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 If I'm honest , If what I was told regarding his outburst is true , and I have no doubt it is, then I'm astonished he's been even on the bench since. in our desperate situation right now , if I was LJ , I'd count to ten , speak to LT privately and say 'one last chance if you want it - get yourself fit enough to start at home to Rotherham and ill play you. , perform and keep your mouth shut and we will start again , stroll around or mouth off again , you're done here' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 Perhaps the U23s are playing Saturday instead of the first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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