Sir Colby-Tit Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Did anyone else at yesterday's game see Flint go the bench to shout right into Johnsons ear? I'm surprised he could stoop so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 5 minutes ago, tinman85 said: I think we all need to look at Flint and question his ongoing selection. He has been the one consistent member of our poor championship record since promotion. Ok, I'll have a go at this one. Because both physically and metaphorically he is head and shoulders above anyone we have for that position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 He and Bobby seemed the only players yesterday that had any vocal presence on the pitch. Flint organises the defense well and Reid needs Tomlin to play off. I can see the selection/ formationproblems LJ has every week, although I'd play 4 5 1 with Tomlin playing just off Tammy and stick with it at least until Djuric looks fit and Engvall is reading the same book as everyone else, not to worry about page!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 27 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: He and Bobby seemed the only players yesterday that had any vocal presence on the pitch. Flint organises the defense well and Reid needs Tomlin to play off. I can see the selection/ formationproblems LJ has every week, although I'd play 4 5 1 with Tomlin playing just off Tammy and stick with it at least until Djuric looks fit and Engvall is reading the same book as everyone else, not to worry about page!!!!!!!! I will always love Aden for what he helped City achieve in the League 1 double. No question. However mate, I do not think he is quick and athletic enough for the Championship and is suspect in leading a defence that regularly concedes at key times. His own slowness of feet in reacting to an attack, his failure aerially to keep goals out and his own lack of headed goals in the championship are my reasons. People say he gives everything every game which is correct but like Gary Sprake is prone to commit the clanger that negates all his other efforts. I'm pleased that he is giving orders but I suggest they are not working, are not convincing enough or whatever, especially when we are approaching the end of a half or the game. if he has worked on special strategies with Johnson (??) to prevent us conceding at those times (as we did yesterday) then they are failing. By contrast, Norman Hunter had an unerring instinct about when it was imperative to boot the ball as far away as possible into the Stands to relieve pressure or run the clock down. Reid and Golbourne should have had a bellow from Aden to do just that yesterday on 44 minutes. Maybe they did and chose to ignore it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Put the right players around him , put him in the right team he will look a dominating force Suffering from being exposed in a poor , disorganised rabble ATM IMHO At least he cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Put the right players around him , put him in the right team he will look a dominating force Suffering from being exposed in a poor , disorganised rabble ATM IMHO At least he cares I've got no doubts about that mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Horsman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Poor bloke has had a different defensive midfielder in front of him every week, we've used 4 keepers, he's played in a back 3 and a back 4 and played with different RBs/RWbs ( 6!) different LBs/LWBs and apart from easing Hordur through his first half season in English football has also played with Heygeler, Wright, Moore and Ekstarnd at CB as well as Maggers. Whatever our problems are and have been,. Flint has not had the greatest assistance in doing what he does best!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Of all the things that are wrong with the team at present, Flint is way down the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Aden Flint has been awful this season, don't get the love in for him here, how many games in a row have we conceded now, stupid errors vs. Rotherham, Wolves etcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Flint has to come in question. I think he fools many into thinking he's decent standard. He's fooled me as well with his passion for the club, aerial ability in both boxes and throwing his body in front of crosses and shots but in all honesty, he's poor for this level. Not quick enough for one and he isn't the most clever defender either. He's fully committed but it catches him out often and when he doesn't win the ball(he does win it often but it's high risk) we get caught out. No more excuses for Flint really. He's been the one mainstay and we've struggled. Give me Wright and Mags in a back 4 over Flint and any other combination. Add Taylor Moore and Vyner to that and we are fine for centre halves. I also don't think he really organises the defense. Only thing I've seen him do is tell players to hold a line on goal kicks and free kicks. Any CB can do that. Now don't confuse all that for me blaming Flint for our poor run. He isn't but he needs to start taking some of the blame for our defensive record these past 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsRed Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I think everybody knows my opinions on Aden Flint, I don't need to comment again on them. But I will. Donkey. Goal-scorer above a defender. Can't defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 2 hours ago, tinman85 said: I think we all need to look at Flint and question his ongoing selection. He has been the one consistent member of our poor championship record since promotion. I posted on another thread that Flint could do with being rested. City have Wright and Hodur as capable CBs with Golbourne at LB and Vyner at RB. I can't see LJ leaving him out tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Did I get it right somebody wrote they were at the game yesterday and flinty went face to face with LJ.on the sideline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 He must have been on his knees then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slippin cider Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 22 minutes ago, Top Robin said: He must have been on his knees then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 30 minutes ago, redmycolour said: Did I get it right somebody wrote they were at the game yesterday and flinty went face to face with LJ.on the sideline. There is a thread on this. Worth starting a new one or just comment on the thread covering the subject? Use search bar to find thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkRed! Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Flint is not a championship level defender and is a liability at this level. He should be organising and leading from the back. He does not do it..... I would drop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 To those who think Aden is a leader and organiser, I'd ask in this case why none of his three managers have made him captain? In our current position, where he plays every game, and we need a leader, why is he not a captain? IMO, he is a decent "head it kick it" centre back" but is in no way an organiser. I do think he does a decent job, but I also think he is tunnel vision to what's around him (re the run of errors earlier in the season, which were called by lack of awareness not lack of ability) So, the question for LJ or whoever the new LJ is becomes - can you play a CB who plays well in himself, but as part of a team, may not be an asset as he isn't aware enough or able to manage/comm with others? (Not slating AF. But it's a fair point that he's been the constant in a conceding defence and the management need to work out why) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I think that most of the back four or threes problems this year has stemmed from the goalkeeper.We have one who's a great one on one shot stopper but awful in his command of his area. He is the one that should be clearing players out to take the ball and not constantly leaving it for a defender to clear it.The other has now left the club but his confidence was shot and he went from being decent to a bag of nerves everytime the ball came near him.I very rarely hear FF screaming at defenders to clear it and this is what causes all the indecisiveness of players in front of him.Perhaps now we have a new keeper we may begin to see all the back four playing with a confidence that has been badly lacking from the last few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 6 hours ago, Chairman Mao said: Aden Flint has been awful this season, don't get the love in for him here, how many games in a row have we conceded now, stupid errors vs. Rotherham, Wolves etcs. He hasn't been awful has he? He's had some poor games, he's made some mistakes, but he's also had some good games too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 If flint doesn't play then we would have a defense that never wins a header. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 A friend is a Burnley fan who thought Flint was our best player yesterday. Then again it could be like when SOD got told by the Shrewsbury manager how good we were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Robin1988 said: A friend is a Burnley fan who thought Flint was our best player yesterday. Then again it could be like when SOD got told by the Shrewsbury manager how good we were. No no no, he thought Flint was THEIR best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 9 hours ago, Sir Colby-Tit said: Did anyone else at yesterday's game see Flint go the bench to shout right into Johnsons ear? I'm surprised he could stoop so low. :laugh:... That's funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I like Flinty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 1 minute ago, shelts said: I like Flinty Yes we shall be the two members of the ,AFAS, That's the Aden flint appreciation society for those that had not worked it out already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Yes we shall be the two members of the ,AFAS, That's the Aden flint appreciation society for those that had not worked it out already. So many haters for him on here . Dissaponted as far worse than him in our team . God loves a tryer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadman Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 lets be honest. there all poor when you've been on a run like this, that's why were on the run we are. we allways sounded pretty good earlier on the season but it really sounds pretty flat and dreadful at the moment. its got to be coaching or managing. it really did start when holden was appointed, coincidence maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 13 hours ago, southvillekiddy said: I will always love Aden for what he helped City achieve in the League 1 double. No question. However mate, I do not think he is quick and athletic enough for the Championship and is suspect in leading a defence that regularly concedes at key times. His own slowness of feet in reacting to an attack, his failure aerially to keep goals out and his own lack of headed goals in the championship are my reasons. People say he gives everything every game which is correct but like Gary Sprake is prone to commit the clanger that negates all his other efforts. I'm pleased that he is giving orders but I suggest they are not working, are not convincing enough or whatever, especially when we are approaching the end of a half or the game. if he has worked on special strategies with Johnson (??) to prevent us conceding at those times (as we did yesterday) then they are failing. By contrast, Norman Hunter had an unerring instinct about when it was imperative to boot the ball as far away as possible into the Stands to relieve pressure or run the clock down. Reid and Golbourne should have had a bellow from Aden to do just that yesterday on 44 minutes. Maybe they did and chose to ignore it? Norman hunter was a top class,top division,international player though,hardly a fair comparison with flint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 16 hours ago, Sir Colby-Tit said: Did anyone else at yesterday's game see Flint go the bench to shout right into Johnsons ear? I'm surprised he could stoop so low. At least someone has some passion and isn't going out like birthday cake candle in a downpour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southvillekiddy Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 5 hours ago, bobby kellard was go said: Norman hunter was a top class,top division,international player though,hardly a fair comparison with flint That's not really my point mate. I'm not comparing Flint with Norman as to the quality of their play but talking about a basic defensive tactic that every footballer should have emblazoned on their psyche. A tactic that Hunter wasn't afraid to use. Surely every schoolboy knows that a team has to be extra careful in the last few minutes of the first half and the last few minutes of the game not to concede. That could be by taking the ball down into the corner of the opposing half and holding onto it if you are a hard man like Tony Rougier or it could be booting it into the Stands to waste time. Hunter, even though he was an international would do this without any self-consciousness. Reid and Golbourne, whether they were or were not bellowed at by Flint, whose supposed to be leading the defence (Get ****ing rid Bobby!!!) couldn't do that in the 44th minute of the game on saturday and we conceded yet again in that bewildering, infuriating way that City now do regularly. I say again the genius Johnson is telling us we're playing with fear but what is he doing about the obvious ****ing defensive moves we are lacking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, southvillekiddy said: That's not really my point mate. I'm not comparing Flint with Norman as to the quality of their play but talking about a basic defensive tactic that every footballer should have emblazoned on their psyche. A tactic that Hunter wasn't afraid to use. Surely every schoolboy knows that a team has to be extra careful in the last few minutes of the first half and the last few minutes of the game not to concede. That could be by taking the ball down into the corner of the opposing half and holding onto it if you are a hard man like Tony Rougier or it could be booting it into the Stands to waste time. Hunter, even though he was an international would do this without any self-consciousness. Reid and Golbourne, whether they were or were not bellowed at by Flint, whose supposed to be leading the defence (Get ****ing rid Bobby!!!) couldn't do that in the 44th minute of the game on saturday and we conceded yet again in that bewildering, infuriating way that City now do regularly. I say again the genius Johnson is telling us we're playing with fear but what is he doing about the obvious ****ing defensive moves we are lacking? fair point,its quite common now it seems for players to try and play out from the back when it just isnt on like stones at man city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 20 hours ago, Andy Horsman said: Poor bloke has had a different defensive midfielder in front of him every week, we've used 4 keepers, he's played in a back 3 and a back 4 and played with different RBs/RWbs ( 6!) different LBs/LWBs and apart from easing Hordur through his first half season in English football has also played with Heygeler, Wright, Moore and Ekstarnd at CB as well as Maggers. Whatever our problems are and have been,. Flint has not had the greatest assistance in doing what he does best!!!!!!!! Some people just wont appreciate how much all that can have an effect on a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollywhyte Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Flinty is a shithead, He leads us from the back, If you threw a brick at him, He'd head the f**ker back! Quality player and you can see it means so much to him, wait until we win a game again in the league. Watch his reaction, guarantee it will mean so much to him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 6 hours ago, brizzlelou said: At least someone has some passion and isn't going out like birthday cake candle in a downpour. To be fair to the vast majority of the squad, I don't believe there's many that don't care. Tammy was apparently in tears after the Cardiff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, ollywhyte said: wait until we win a game again in the league. Watch his reaction, guarantee it will mean so much to him! Nice thought but what if he gets sold in the summer?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 13 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: :laugh:... That's funny I'm glad someone got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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