formerly known as ivan Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Disappointed with this as Liitle and Golbourne clearly not good enough and got torn to pieces at times tonight. Decent window all things considered by worried fullbacks may cost us over the remainder of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobArnold10 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Golbourne is steady, takes a lot of unwarranted criticism, and replacing him for me wasn't a priority this window... big issues at RB though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 LJ's first half tactics were the only thing that tore Little to pieces tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Disappointed with this as Liitle and Golbourne clearly not good enough and got torn to pieces at times tonight. Decent window all things considered by worried fullbacks may cost us over the remainder of the season. To be honest I would'nt want to play right back with lee Tomlin playing in front of me!!! I thought little was brave today. He put in a decent performance and he was very exposed due to tactics not to do with his play. We have little, Matthews and vyner at right back and goldbourne , Bryan and potentially magnuson on the left ? I think if we get it right tactically the squad and the full backs if fit are good enough to get us up the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRA Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, deadredfred said: LJ's first half tactics were the only thing that tore Little to pieces tonight. Yep, if Little had a solid right mid/winger in front of him who knew their defensive responsibilities he wouldn't look so overwhelmed Tomlin left him out to dry that first 20 mins. Was much more solid once COD was in front of him. Not sure what LJ was thinking having a recovering from illness Tomlin on the wing. He hardly tracks back when at his peak, crazy decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Cotterill could just be that solid right winger! Signed to protect Little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRA Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yeah, good point. Experienced in playing that position and knows what's required defensively. 1 minute ago, mightyreds89 said: Cotterill could just be that solid right winger! Signed to protect Little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, RedSA said: Yep, if Little had a solid right mid/winger in front of him who knew their defensive responsibilities he wouldn't look so overwhelmed Tomlin left him out to dry that first 20 mins. Was much more solid once COD was in front of him. Not sure what LJ was thinking having a recovering from illness Tomlin on the wing. He hardly tracks back when at his peak, crazy decision. At times it looked like Little was the right man in a back 3, with Tomlin at RWB. Crazy setup. Im not Little's biggest fan, but that was just unfair on him. As much as he absolutely terrifies me everytime he gets the ball or tries to win it back, he made some good tackles second half and a great last ditch interception. Credit to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yes the first 25 minutes Little had no protection but still isn't good enough at this level. Let many crosses come in without even getting near to the Wednesday players. He has had a season and a half at this level and isn't good enough hence why we brought Matthews last season. I'm not saying Vyner is the answer but be interested to see him guide a run of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Thought both fullbacks had decent enough games. Reach and Wallace are top wingers and didn't do much. SW created very little. We created their two best chances which they scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 Little is clearly the weak link, would be a good league one player but not at this level. Im sure the hope is AM and ZV come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der no.2 Posted January 31, 2017 Report Share Posted January 31, 2017 18 minutes ago, deadredfred said: LJ's first half tactics were the only thing that tore Little to pieces tonight. There was that, but whats to stop Flinty shouting his head off to get Little pushing out closer to his man?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 If your LJ how do you convince the board to buy another RB when you have three at your disposal already? Sadly it seems that position will have to wait until the summer when AM likely leaves and little too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, deadredfred said: At times it looked like Little was the right man in a back 3, with Tomlin at RWB. Crazy setup. Im not Little's biggest fan, but that was just unfair on him. As much as he absolutely terrifies me everytime he gets the ball or tries to win it back, he made some good tackles second half and a great last ditch interception. Credit to him. I'm guilty of heat of the moment reactions regarding little but often his problems stem from others not doing their job. wholehearted, but limited. If the rest of the squad matched his determination I wouldn't be worrying about relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said: I'm guilty of heat of the moment reactions regarding little but often his problems stem from others not doing their job. wholehearted, but limited. If the rest of the squad matched his determination I wouldn't be worrying about relegation. If LJ asked me to play my determination would a 100% but unfortunately that determination doesn't transfer into ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 If only we had the same Adam Matthews as last season - what a team we could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliesboots Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 This is the most disappointing outcome of the transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Watching tonight my opinion moved. I think we are good enough on our wide defenders SG had a mare tbf but seen enough of him to be convinced he's good enough. ML had a v good game except for one thing. He was too narrow in defence. I think quite clear that's an instruction however - SG was similar - so I don't judge him on that. That's for the gaffer. Our problem is very simple. If their player is within 40 yards of the goal we do not put them under pressure. We focus on marking players than forcing man in possession to pass the ball under pressure. This means man in possession has enough time to look up, look both flanks, wait for winger to show any indication of movement, play in to space and our wide players then are either too narrow or on the flat foot v a mover. Change tactics, get a CDM with a free role in defence to shadow the ball and shadow the man in possession, I think our defence all round would look significantly more solid. LJ's presentation shows trying to win the ball back within 6 seconds of relinquishing possession. Sorry to say, I saw no evidence of that in 3 months. Had we done that, we'd have won many points in this run... possibly even the game tonight too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healeyred96 Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 was never going to bring in a right back after we got vyner back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCulturalBomb Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 26 minutes ago, 29AR said: Watching tonight my opinion moved. I think we are good enough on our wide defenders SG had a mare tbf but seen enough of him to be convinced he's good enough. ML had a v good game except for one thing. He was too narrow in defence. I think quite clear that's an instruction however - SG was similar - so I don't judge him on that. That's for the gaffer. Our problem is very simple. If their player is within 40 yards of the goal we do not put them under pressure. We focus on marking players than forcing man in possession to pass the ball under pressure. This means man in possession has enough time to look up, look both flanks, wait for winger to show any indication of movement, play in to space and our wide players then are either too narrow or on the flat foot v a mover. Change tactics, get a CDM with a free role in defence to shadow the ball and shadow the man in possession, I think our defence all round would look significantly more solid. LJ's presentation shows trying to win the ball back within 6 seconds of relinquishing possession. Sorry to say, I saw no evidence of that in 3 months. Had we done that, we'd have won many points in this run... possibly even the game tonight too We did aim to get the ball back within seconds of losing it and keeping possession but for me that vanished after Cardiff away, hopefully we have it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 First half SW knew that our right side was the weakest link and exposed the gaps out wide time and time again. I don't know what was said to Little at half time but he was transformed in the second half with little change in the cover in front of him. Is he truly a Championship RB? No. But he is determined and a strong tackler who can get forward. However the Adam Matthews of last season was definitely a cut above either of them this season. As for Vyner hopefully some game time has improved him, compared to last season's rabbit in the headlights against Brighton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 5 hours ago, Healeyred96 said: was never going to bring in a right back after we got vyner back Yes good point but how long until he ready for regular RB start ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coxyboy Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 7 hours ago, deadredfred said: LJ's first half tactics were the only thing that tore Little to pieces tonight. Also the fact he is shit any so out his depth. How often does he actually pick s man up.....never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Right back - Guess we were trying in Europe, as suggested, but failed to get the signing over the line Then Freeman leaves and we switched to getting a replacement there. Failed with Southampton winger and then managed to scrape Cotterill over the line on loan. We still need a reliable goalie (Is this the only time we have played 5 goalies in one season?), aright full back, a centre half replacement for Flint (said before poor quality compared to our previous centre halves at this level). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 10 hours ago, deadredfred said: LJ's first half tactics were the only thing that tore Little to pieces tonight. If he had been offered the slightest bit of cover from the person in front of him, that wouldn't have been the case. And somehow I doubt LJ tells our LM to give cover but tells our RM not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Everyone, LJ included ,knows that Little is limited at this level but what he does offer is physicality and endeavour. He is getting that back after his shoulder injury and without those attributes he was a waste of space in the team. He will most likely walk in the summer as, I believe he is out of contract but not every player in the team can be a worldbeater but the ' water carriers ' are just as important as the stars . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadredfred Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said: If he had been offered the slightest bit of cover from the person in front of him, that wouldn't have been the case. And somehow I doubt LJ tells our LM to give cover but tells our RM not to. Not sure whether you're agreeing with me or not? The point I was making was that Little was exposed through no fault of his own. Tomlin was supposedly on duty to offer Little the protection that JB was to Golbourne. I think that's the point you're making. The problem was, LJ gave Tomlin defensive duties on the right hand side, as well as seemingly the expectation to get forward and create. Recent illness aside, Tomlin doesn't have that in his locker. He's much better used for his creativity. A luxury perhaps, but he didn't, and isn't suited to that role. Little did much better second half when he had some protection. Therefore, only LJ's tactics to blame for Little being under the cosh. No player can mark two men at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famouslastword Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 11 hours ago, Spoons said: To be honest I would'nt want to play right back with lee Tomlin playing in front of me!!! I thought little was brave today. He put in a decent performance and he was very exposed due to tactics not to do with his play. We have little, Matthews and vyner at right back and goldbourne , Bryan and potentially magnuson on the left ? I think if we get it right tactically the squad and the full backs if fit are good enough to get us up the table. Although i think you are completely right with Tomlin being in front of him and being exposed before we changed it around, i do believe that Little just doesn't have a calmness on the ball and is often way out of position. For me he is the weakest part of our team. He is often very rash with his decision making and has cost us a bagful of goals this season. The annoying thing with little is that i think with a bit more confidence in his ability he has the attributes to be a good wing back. Hes strong and has pace on his side. I just think he is at the moment a little bit panicky on the ball and lacks that confidence so when hes trying to pull something off it isnt paying off for him. I also think that the role needs to be a bit more defined to him so he understands his duties. I.E when hes facing an attacker down the wing is he expected to push tight on him and close him down or not.... or when hes pushing up when is it the right time to trigger a wing back attack etc. He is often making the wrong decisions at the wrong times.... (this is something that can be worked on in training.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Footman's T shirt Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Everyone, LJ included ,knows that Little is limited at this level but what he does offer is physicality and endeavour. He is getting that back after his shoulder injury and without those attributes he was a waste of space in the team. He will most likely walk in the summer as, I believe he is out of contract but not every player in the team can be a worldbeater but the ' water carriers ' are just as important as the stars . Agree with this. Hope he will benefit from having Cotterill in front of him. Also think Vyner may get a bit of a run in the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buster Footman's T shirt Posted February 1, 2017 Report Share Posted February 1, 2017 Does anyone think that it Matthews is ever actually fit that we may see him get a run of games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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