Eddie Hitler Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Since the old closed shop of the bottom club in Division 4 applying for re-election and getting it there has been a decent amount of movement between the league and the non-league, and yes I know that Rovers are amongst that but it's not a Rovers-bashing thread. From interest I've had a first go at these, though I am not Statto incarnate so please feel free to amend, taking any club that has been in non-league since the war as a rule of thumb: Div 1 None that I can see. Div 2 Burton Wigan Div 3 Rovers Oxford MK Dons Wimbledon Shrewsbury Div 4 Exeter Luton Wycombe Barnet Morecambe Yeovil Cheltenham Accrington Stanley Crawley Probably loads more in Div 4, I don't know it that well. So that's 16 out of 92, or nearly a fifth of teams that have done their time outside the league proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Ashton Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Newport, Stevenage, Cambridge. Fleetwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyhutchscurlymullet Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Colchester were one of the first clubs to go out the league when relegation was introduced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyhutchscurlymullet Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Doncaster, Carlisle, Mansfield, Grimsby too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianconeri Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 I find it very interesting to read down the pyramid to find the ex-League clubs. I think Hereford are the lowest, in Southern League Div 1. Some, of course, have disappeared altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianconeri Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 4 hours ago, bobbyhutchscurlymullet said: Colchester were one of the first clubs to go out the league when relegation was introduced I saw their first game in the Conference, lost 2-0 at Yeovil. I think it was the first competitive game at Huish Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Yorkshire CideRed Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Scarborough were the first club to be automatically promoted from the Conference in 1987, but went bust in 2007. The phoenix club Scarborough Athletic are now plying their trade in the Northern Premier League Div 1 North (8th tier of the pyramid), and, after years in exile, they'll now be returning to a purpose-built ground in the town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 I find it interesting that Doncaster and our neighbours dropped out of the League for one season, bounced back and won promotion to the third tier the following season. Some other clubs having been promoted to the League for the first time soon climbed the ladder; Wigan all the way to the Prem, Burton to the Championship. Gillingham had been in the League but were voted out in 1938. They got back in when the League was expanded twenty years later. 1939 saw Rovers finish at the foot of Div 3 South, but at the AGM in June 39, they were voted back in. Can you imagine the posts on here if the forum had been around then? There were at one time five clubs in the League with X in their name; Halifax, Wrexham, Oxford, Exeter and Crewe Alex. The first four have all been relegated from the League and Crewe might yet be this year. Halifax disbanded, reformed and folded again. Wrexham are near the top of the National League, Exeter & Oxford have both regained League status. I believe the last three clubs to be voted out of the League were Barrow (replaced by Hereford), Workington (Wigan?) and Southport (Cambridge). Bradford PA were voted out about 1970, but I'm not sure who replaced them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: So that's 16 out of 92, or nearly a fifth of teams that have done their time outside the league proper. With the other names thrown in, it's now 26 out of 92; 28%. Half of the National League are former Football League clubs, I have included Gateshead in that. They were in the League until about 1960 and Ken Wimshurst had played for them before ending up at AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 37 minutes ago, East Yorkshire CideRed said: Scarborough were the first club to be automatically promoted from the Conference in 1987, but went bust in 2007. The phoenix club Scarborough Athletic are now plying their trade in the Northern Premier League Div 1 North (8th tier of the pyramid), and, after years in exile, they'll now be returning to a purpose-built ground in the town. Funnily enough I`ve just been reading about Boston United currently in the conference north. They`re also getting a new stadium in the town and seem to be on the up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Scarborough. On the last day of one particular season they thought they had stayed up and fans & players were celebrating on the pitch with that day's visiting fans. Then the news came through that Jimmy Glass a goalie on loan had scored for Carlisle in the 96th minute meaning Carlisle remained in the League and Scarborough were back in the Conference. Cheers literally turned to tears. Lincolnshire has been badly hit with relegation out of the League; Boston, Lincoln & Grimsby leaving just Scunny with unbroken League membership. Devon has seen Exeter and Torquay relegated and come back up, although Torquay were relegated again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 I can remember Workington being in the football league and maybe Bradford P.A. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 MK Dons were never non league were they? I do know a bit about this sort of thing :} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ashtonwurzel said: I can remember Workington being in the football league and maybe Bradford P.A. ? Barrow and Maidstone are two more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Morecambe can be added to the original list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Portland Bill said: Barrow and Maidstone are two more. Yes Barrow I think the first team I can remember not getting re-election and going down, about 1973ish ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Bath City nearly got in one year, narrowly lost the vote versus Rochdale/Crewe ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 And if we are doing ex league clubs, I don't think Southport or Stockport have been mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityred exile Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: Since the old closed shop of the bottom club in Division 4 applying for re-election and getting it there has been a decent amount of movement between the league and the non-league, and yes I know that Rovers are amongst that but it's not a Rovers-bashing thread. From interest I've had a first go at these, though I am not Statto incarnate so please feel free to amend, taking any club that has been in non-league since the war as a rule of thumb: Div 1 None that I can see. Div 2 Burton Wigan Div 3 Rovers Oxford MK Dons Wimbledon Shrewsbury Div 4 Exeter Luton Wycombe Barnet Morecambe Yeovil Cheltenham Accrington Stanley Crawley Probably loads more in Div 4, I don't know it that well. So that's 16 out of 92, or nearly a fifth of teams that have done their time outside the league proper. There are currently 13 clubs in the national league and 7 in the national league north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Ashtonwurzel said: Bath City nearly got in one year, narrowly lost the vote versus Rochdale/Crewe ? They lost out to Wigan, and when you consider what Wigan went onto, it really does make you wonder what could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Aldershot and Darlington (although reformed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ashtonwurzel said: Yes Barrow I think the first team I can remember not getting re-election and going down, about 1973ish ? 1972 they were replaced by Hereford. Barrow had finished the season with two teams beneath them in the League, but they got more votes than Barrow did. Having had a good FA cup run, Hereford touted round drumming up support. City agreed to vote for Hereford unless Newport sought reelection. Newport; 2nd club to be relegated from the League and having folded are back in the League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 There's some big (in relative terms) clubs in the Vanarama North - Darlington, Stockport, Halifax, plus Boston and Kidderminster who were in the league not that long ago. Plus FC United who get big crowds, Salford and Fylde who are bankrolled, and some traditonal big non league sides like Altrincham (who have 9 points all season and are rooted at the bottom), Nuneaton and Tamworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Dont forget Middlesbrough Ironopolis!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Anybody else have the Shoot! magazine league ladders ? I definitely had a Bradford P.A. tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1986-87 saw the introduction of auto relegation to the conference. Lincoln were the first team out, but if Burnley had picked up one less point, they would have dropped as their GD was worse than Lincoln's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 If you go further down, Nelson FC (in the league in the 1920s), plus the phoenix clubs of Bootle and Darwen (both league clubs back in the day) all play in the North West Counties League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, 22A said: 1986-87 saw the introduction of auto relegation to the conference. Lincoln were the first team out, but if Burnley had picked up one less point, they would have dropped as their GD was worse than Lincoln's. Didn't Swansea dodge a "last day of the season relegation from the leagues bullet" once also ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One BCFC Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Maidstone Utd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Yorkshire CideRed Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, 22A said: Scarborough. On the last day of one particular season they thought they had stayed up and fans & players were celebrating on the pitch with that day's visiting fans. Then the news came through that Jimmy Glass a goalie on loan had scored for Carlisle in the 96th minute meaning Carlisle remained in the League and Scarborough were back in the Conference. Cheers literally turned to tears. Lincolnshire has been badly hit with relegation out of the League; Boston, Lincoln & Grimsby leaving just Scunny with unbroken League membership. Devon has seen Exeter and Torquay relegated and come back up, although Torquay were relegated again. Yes. My father in law was one of those Scarborough fans. Must've been a real gutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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