... Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: or am I saying as a strictly experimental test let's get relegated and give him the biggest budget in league one and say 3 more transfer windows and see if our bad luck, our having to play teams who are better than us, only losing by 1 goal, referees who hate us are the reason we are in our current position or could it be poor signings, poor tactics, poor team selections and far too much tinkering that are too blame. I said or . I did not say , or /, did I? You are overdoing the sarcasm: stop it now before you upset the Happy Clappers. tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 minute ago, havanatopia said: Just amended that for you. You are opening your next Match Thread to a world of grammatical scrutiny. tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 It's so obvious that we have the makings of a very good team with the players we have in our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Statistically i think LJ muat be the unluckiest manager we've ever had. So many of those games could have gone the other way and we'd be thinking about the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We live in hope Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: To me though the margin of defeat cannot be an excuse when it is happening on such a consistent basis and this actually confirms that there is something quite fundamentally wrong. If you are unable to get draws or wins when you are only narrowly losing games then it shows a lack of understanding what the problems are and how to overcome them. Best post I have read in a while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 How many of these defeats have been down to controversial penalties or dodgy offside goals? I can think of lost points at Cardiff, Derby and Wolves without even breaking sweat. Add 6 points due to those decisions and we move up the table. I'm sure there's more as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Leigh of Somerset Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 How many of these defeats have been down to controversial penalties or dodgy offside goals? I can think of lost points at Cardiff, Derby and Wolves without even breaking sweat. Add 6 points due to those decisions and we move up the table. I'm sure there's more as well. But, surely, all teams can lay claim to having lost points for the same reasons so you can reshuffle the results as much as you like but won't the relative positions of each team be, more or less, the same!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Rednwhiterob said: Statistically i think LJ muat be the unluckiest manager we've ever had. So many of those games could have gone the other way and we'd be thinking about the play offs. As Napoleon said ' bring me lucky Generals '. Bad luck can excuse perhaps two or three matches ( often evened out with good luck ) but over thirty odd matches ! Luck doesn't come into it . We are badly organised and the coach is totally responsible for the mess we're in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 5 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Of our last 15 league games we've lost 11...all by a single goal. Seriously, what are the chances? For a team to lose 11 of 15 games you'd assume they must be an awful team that had taken several drubbings, yet we haven't taken a single one. I was thinking when it happened that our 8 game club record losing run must've also been a record in English football as no team can possibly have lost 8 straight games by a goal before. I know there have been threads discussing stats before and how we continue to create lots of chances and have a decent share of possession but still lose. That was the case again last night as we had more possession, overall shots, shots on target and corners than Leeds. I thought I'd look at the stats for Derby v Cardiff (3 - 4) and Cardiff had a grand total of 32% possession and 8 shots on target and have scored 4 goals away from home! We had 9 shots on target last night and just the 1 goal to show for it. Wigan won at Wolves last night despite having only 42% possession and 2 shots on target, Barnsley won 3-1 at Villa despite having only 43% possession and 6 shots on target etc you get the picture! Now I believe that because these defeats have been narrow and statistically speaking we look to have been 'in' all these games is quite a significant reason as to why LJ is still in a job. If we had lost these games by an average of 2/3 goals (similar was happening in last couple of months under SC) then I think he'd have gone a few weeks ago. To me though the margin of defeat cannot be an excuse when it is happening on such a consistent basis and this actually confirms that there is something quite fundamentally wrong. If you are unable to get draws or wins when you are only narrowly losing games then it shows a lack of understanding what the problems are and how to overcome them. LJ has not been able to get that extra few % from his players needed to turn our fortunes and after over 3 months of trying somebody else must be given the opportunity to try. The good news is it probably really is just a few basic tweaks that an experienced manager at this level could make and I believe we'd be up that table and away from the relegation zone in no time at all. Hate to say it but see Cardiff City for the perfect example of this. Please act now Steve, the situation is still very much rescuable. and do you know what despite you being 100% right there are still people on here who unbelievably say he will turn it around, not 1 person in any job you could name would now be in their job if we had been half as inept as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talk Of The Town Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, harrys said: 17 league defeats, 16 of them by the odd goal, an incredible statistic It's some what unusual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 6 hours ago, Mr Hankey said: I reckon he may be the opposite, a horrible little bastard who is quite happy to destroy a players confidence......just my opinion on him though. Always worth having a mad guess if you haven't got a clue, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Rednwhiterob said: Statistically i think LJ muat be the unluckiest manager we've ever had. So many of those games could have gone the other way and we'd be thinking about the play offs. Did you really just use the words 'statistically' and 'unluckiest' together to make a point? I admire your ongoing defence of LJ. I was a bit like you until pre-game Reading at home. I've even lapsed over the past two weeks, thinking I'm being disloyal, but I've given myself a slap round the chops again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Listened to Chris Iwelumo on Talksport on Sunday when they review the championship When talking about us he said he did his coaching badges with LJ and was then a player under him at Oldham Said LJ is very precise , very detailed and would hammer a player who made a mistake He said , in LJs defence , having hammered the player he would then work on th training ground with him Make of that, pluses / minuses what you will I'm afraid the view of someone actually in the pro game who knows LJ is not admissible evidence around here. Strike it from the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Did you really just use the words 'statistically' and 'unluckiest' together to make a point? I admire your ongoing defence of LJ. I was a bit like you until pre-game Reading at home. I've even lapsed over the past two weeks, thinking I'm being disloyal, but I've given myself a slap round the chops again. Damn, I did. Statistically unlucky A great defence of our leader! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Sir Leigh of Somerset said: How many of these defeats have been down to controversial penalties or dodgy offside goals? I can think of lost points at Cardiff, Derby and Wolves without even breaking sweat. Add 6 points due to those decisions and we move up the table. I'm sure there's more as well. But, surely, all teams can lay claim to having lost points for the same reasons so you can reshuffle the results as much as you like but won't the relative positions of each team be, more or less, the same!? Probably, but I'd be interested to see a list of penalties conceded by each club. I'd bet we'd be near the top of pens conceded and near the bottom of pens awarded. If i remember rightly someone used to do a "real" league table, showing results if correct decisions had been awarded. Not sure if if ever extended to the championship but it would be interesting reading. I'm not saying that all the results would be evened out, but it would only take two or three to turn things around in a huge way. Imagine a win at Cardiff, draw at Wolves and win at Derby. Our run suddenly doesn't look too bad and probably wouldn't be as close to LJ losing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: Probably, but I'd be interested to see a list of penalties conceded by each club. I'd bet we'd be near the top of pens conceded and near the bottom of pens awarded. If i remember rightly someone used to do a "real" league table, showing results if correct decisions had been awarded. Not sure if if ever extended to the championship but it would be interesting reading. I'm not saying that all the results would be evened out, but it would only take two or three to turn things around in a huge way. Imagine a win at Cardiff, draw at Wolves and win at Derby. Our run suddenly doesn't look too bad and probably wouldn't be as close to LJ losing his job. Just to add - Statbunker has us in second place for penalties conceded and twelfth for penalties awarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 15 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said: Probably, but I'd be interested to see a list of penalties conceded by each club. I'd bet we'd be near the top of pens conceded and near the bottom of pens awarded. If i remember rightly someone used to do a "real" league table, showing results if correct decisions had been awarded. Not sure if if ever extended to the championship but it would be interesting reading. I'm not saying that all the results would be evened out, but it would only take two or three to turn things around in a huge way. Imagine a win at Cardiff, draw at Wolves and win at Derby. Our run suddenly doesn't look too bad and probably wouldn't be as close to LJ losing his job. Compact Detailed # Club Successful Conceded penalties Missed Defence rate 1 FC Reading 11 18 7 38,9 % 2 FC Fulham 6 14 8 57,1 % 3 Birmingham City 9 12 3 25,0 % 4 Brighton & Hove Albion 8 12 4 33,3 % 5 Cardiff City 11 11 0 0,0 % 6 FC Barnsley 9 11 2 18,2 % 7 Aston Villa 8 11 3 27,3 % 8 Bristol City 8 11 3 27,3 % 9 Ipswich Town 9 10 1 10,0 % 10 Norwich City 6 10 4 40,0 % 11 Queens Park Rangers 5 10 5 50,0 % 12 Wolverhampton Wanderers 8 9 1 11,1 % 13 Sheffield Wednesday 7 9 2 22,2 % 14 Leeds United 8 8 0 0,0 % 15 Blackburn Rovers 6 8 2 25,0 % 16 Derby County 5 8 3 37,5 % 17 Rotherham United 4 8 4 50,3 % 18 Preston North End 4 7 3 42,9 % 19 FC Brentford 4 7 3 42,9 % 20 Nottingham Forest 3 7 4 57,1 % 21 Newcastle United 3 6 3 50,0 % 22 Burton Albion 5 5 0 0,0 % 23 Huddersfield Town 3 4 1 25,0 % 24 Wigan Athletic 2 4 2 50,0 % Wish granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 # Club Penalties received Scored Missed Goal rate 1 FC Reading 11 5 6 45,5 % 2 Birmingham City 10 8 2 80,0 % 3 Brighton & Hove Albion 9 8 1 88,9 % 4 FC Fulham 8 2 6 25,0 % 5 Aston Villa 8 6 2 75,0 % 6 Nottingham Forest 6 3 3 50,0 % 7 Derby County 6 4 2 66,7 % 8 Norwich City 6 4 2 66,7 % 9 Sheffield Wednesday 6 5 1 83,3 % 10 Cardiff City 6 6 0 100,0 % 11 Blackburn Rovers 5 3 2 60,0 % 12 Bristol City 5 4 1 80,0 % 13 Queens Park Rangers 5 4 1 80,0 % 14 Wolverhampton Wanderers 5 4 1 80,0 % 15 Leeds United 4 4 0 100,0 % 16 Ipswich Town 3 3 0 100,0 % 17 FC Brentford 2 0 2 0,0 % 18 FC Barnsley 2 1 1 50,0 % 19 Newcastle United 2 1 1 50,0 % 20 Preston North End 1 1 0 100,0 % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Thanks - looks like I got the wrong season from Statbunker. So, joint 4th in pens conceded and joint 11th awarded. Overall 6 more conceded than awarded, one of the biggest swings in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 And look at Reading! Penalties galore in their games! nearly 1 a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, RichardEdd said: And look at Reading! Penalties galore in their games! nearly 1 a match. Poor Barnsley, conceded 9 and only awarded 2. Biggest swing I can see is 7, so our difference of 6 is quite significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 10 hours ago, Red Grovesy said: That's 5 GAMES Worth of loss....right there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 9 hours ago, Rednwhiterob said: Statistically i think LJ muat be the unluckiest manager we've ever had. So many of those games could have gone the other way and we'd be thinking about the play offs. nice one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkz 76 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Great post. I can't believe this is just bad luck, something is just not right somewhere for me it's the constant tinkering and the formation changes are not helping our cause. We need a settled formation and we need to stick with it as players need to gel in doing this I'm convinced that we can stave off relegation. Lee please stop dicking about with the team grow some balls and stick with two up top in a 4-4-2 as we did at Derby. Failing that RESIGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 20 hours ago, Major Isewater said: As Napoleon said ' bring me lucky Generals '. Bad luck can excuse perhaps two or three matches ( often evened out with good luck ) but over thirty odd matches ! Luck doesn't come into it . We are badly organised and the coach is totally responsible for the mess we're in . Respectfully disagree Major, with all the different variables in a football match, a fair bit of luck is involved. It's like that awful cliche that pundits always use "luck evens itself out over a season". Of course it doesn't, you absolutely could be on the end of many bad decisions and only one or two in your favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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