Adam Matthews

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Just feel he deserves his own thread. I have never hated a player as much as I hate Adam Matthews. He's a conman, he's a fraud, he's a toothless **** and having watched this team for decades I struggle to think of a player more disappointing than him. 

I hope I NEVER see him in a Bristol City shirt again. If he ever comes back to AG as opposition I will boo every single touch. 

Yes, I may have a complex, I may need therapy, but this bloke... given his involvement in Tammy's driving error also, worst signing ever. 

[Ivorguy]

But was he even trying?

[Jacki]

He was absolutely disgraceful tonight. Abysmal. I thought Little was bad but at least he tries. 

[Dullmoan Tone]

He wasn't great but first half not the worst on the pitch - let's not scapegoat the right back when the midfield was just not interested

[The Nest Egg]

I well and truly despise this lazy, fat, uninterested piece of ****

I remember reading an interview where he said LJ helped him with his diet and he no longer drinks Coca Cola or something stupid like that. How can you be a grown man, a professional athlete who is PAID TO PLAY A SPORT and not know that? He is what is wrong with the game on so many levels, and I hope after this loan ends he slides down the pyramid where he belongs. You know something is wrong with the world when a man like Adam Matthews can be financially successful. What a waste of skin and organs, and I agree if he ever comes back to AG he will be booed with each touch until he comes off in the 60th when he has pulled his hamstring or wants KFC or it's way past his bedtime or something.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

But was he even trying?

You could only be that bad by trying to look bad. Him and DC are supposed to be international teammates; he didn't give a foxtrot about making DC play fullback and wingback for almost the entire time he was on.  

I wouldn't give a toss how it may ostensibly leave us short, or if we had to continue paying his wages, I would send him on the first train from Temple Meads to Sunderland tomorrow morning... cattle class. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

He wasn't great but first half not the worst on the pitch - let's not scapegoat the right back when the midfield was just not interested

You having a laugh? The central midfield was bad but our right winger played 2 positions. Matthews tonight deserves a 2/10, and that's practically from one block tackle in the first half from their left back. 

[AppyDAZE]

1 minute ago, 29AR said:

You could only be that bad by trying to look bad. Him and DC are supposed to be international teammates; he didn't give a foxtrot about making DC play fullback and wingback for almost the entire time he was on.  

I wouldn't give a toss how it may ostensibly leave us short, or if we had to continue paying his wages, I would send him on the first train from Temple Meads to Sunderland tomorrow morning... cattle class. 

Anyone who saw that interview with him in the summer could see that he didn't want to be here, but had no other options. Major disappointment but nowhere near the only one.

[samo II]

Have always said what Little lacks in class he more than makes up for in give-a-shit; Matthews can just go back to polishing his medals from Celtic and warming Sunderland's treatment room as far as I'm concerned.

And shout out to the journo who asked about him getting a longer term deal if his form improved in the pre-match presser; imagine Matthews would happily sit on the bench for a few grand a week for us for another few years.

Send him back to Sunderland; at least Vyner might what to play for us.

[Dullmoan Tone]

1 minute ago, 29AR said:

You having a laugh? The central midfield was bad but our right winger played 2 positions. Matthews tonight deserves a 2/10, and that's practically from one block tackle in the first half from their left back. 

Why not single out Joe Bryan - is it because he's "one of our own" he was just as terrible. What about out new central midfield pair who simply stood off then jogged back after losing the ball - I don't think he was the worst.

[BobBobSuperBob]

A disgrace of a 'Professional' Foitballer

[Sleepy1968]

1 minute ago, 29AR said:

You having a laugh? The central midfield was bad but our right winger played 2 positions. Matthews tonight deserves a 2/10, and that's practically from one block tackle in the first half from their left back. 

I felt sorry for Cotterill. Really pretty much the only city player who played well over 90 minutes. Make the most of it, cus he's about the only one who'll be in the championship next year.

[Nomad]

6 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said:

I well and truly despise this lazy, fat, uninterested piece of ****

I remember reading an interview where he said LJ helped him with his diet and he no longer drinks Coca Cola or something stupid like that. How can you be a grown man, a professional athlete who is PAID TO PLAY A SPORT and not know that? He is what is wrong with the game on so many levels, and I hope after this loan ends he slides down the pyramid where he belongs. You know something is wrong with the world when a man like Adam Matthews can be financially successful. What a waste of skin and organs, and I agree if he ever comes back to AG he will be booed with each touch until he comes off in the 60th when he has pulled his hamstring or wants KFC or it's way past his bedtime or something.

To be fair to him he has to be one of the dimmest, thickest ******* of the football world. And we know that footballers aren't generally of a high IQ.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

Why not single out Joe Bryan - is it because he's "one of our own" he was just as terrible. What about out new central midfield pair who simply stood off then jogged back after losing the ball - I don't think he was the worst.

Joe Bryan has been singled out. Tonight I saw effort from him if lack of ability. From Matthews I saw the exact reverse. JB gets judged by me as if he's from Egypt. He was bad tonight, AM couldn't lace his boots though. 

Our midfield.. Brownhill I thought was actually rather good. Hegeler worst game yet. By some way. Rightfully replaced. I could be wrong but I give them benefit of the doubt, they didn't press but not once did I see LJ lambast them for it; couple that with LJ saying they are the most passing team in the league (Taylor's interview on OS) I get the feeling the standing off was tactical and the plan was cut off options than close down. Unfortunately we did neither. 

But none of that excuses the streak of piss AM was. 

[Sniper]

15 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Just feel he deserves his own thread. I have never hated a player as much as I hate Adam Matthews. He's a conman, he's a fraud, he's a toothless **** and having watched this team for decades I struggle to think of a player more disappointing than him. 

I hope I NEVER see him in a Bristol City shirt again. If he ever comes back to AG as opposition I will boo every single touch. 

Yes, I may have a complex, I may need therapy, but this bloke... given his involvement in Tammy's driving error also, worst signing ever. 

I heard on the grapevine that the Taxi Driver that picked up Matthews was a bloke called Tony Dinning. The bloke who was in the front passenger seat who was learning the knowledge on a training course was called Ian Baird.

They both passed on their tactics, and know how on the way to fleece Bristol City and must be very proud that Matthews listened to there every word

 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Sniper said:

I heard on the grapevine that the Taxi Driver that picked up Matthews was a bloke called Tony Dinning. The bloke who was in the front passenger seat who was learning the knowledge on a training course was called Ian Baird.

They both passed on their tactics, and know how on the way to fleece Bristol City and must be very proud that Matthews listened to there every word

 

I heard Matthews called them amateurs and said 'watch this boyo's' 

[Gert Mare]

I thought it was Jonjo O'Toole?!

[Spoons]

Adam Matthews sums up modern football.. Given to much to young!! 

Hes made for life already without achieving the level his potential shown. He was gutless tonight, not sure we will see him play again to be honest after his reaction to bring subbed and after 2nd goal. 

[Shtanley]

Vyner. Start him at Newcastle, I don't give a shit what you all think of my admiration for young Zak but he has to start saturday.

[Aaron-Bcfc]

Ha. He was as bad as that last season and nearly all of you were blind to it.

[JoeAman08]

3 minutes ago, Shtanley said:

Vyner. Start him at Newcastle, I don't give a shit what you all think of my admiration for young Zak but he has to start saturday.

There is a player in Zak and I agree with you about Saturday. You know Zak will give it all as he wants to prove he can do it. Though maybe Newcastle away is one we may want to spare him a bit but maybe thrown into the deep end will pay off. 

[Coppello]

He couldn't clear a lift with a fart. I'd rather the Atyeo statue starts at RB on Saturday rather than him.

[Ecko]

******* useless****

[AppyDAZE]

So pissed off with this guy tonight.. i went and stuck a tenner on him coming out 2nd half eating a McDonalds

[KevP]

He didn't even know what a "County" was in a recent head to head type thing. Well Adam, take the "o" and "y" out of the word to find out what you are.

[bearded_red]

As I've been saying for weeks however limited Little may be, and he really is, I cannot believe that anybody that has been watching this season would rather Matthews play. The guy is an absolute disgrace to his profession, he of course won't be, but he should be ashamed.

I share a very similar view of Matthews as the original poster, doesn't quite match Marcus Stewart, but other than that not a single City player I've disliked more.

As I said when he got hauled off, **** off and never play for us again.

[nickolas]

45 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Just feel he deserves his own thread. I have never hated a player as much as I hate Adam Matthews. He's a conman, he's a fraud, he's a toothless **** and having watched this team for decades I struggle to think of a player more disappointing than him. 

I hope I NEVER see him in a Bristol City shirt again. If he ever comes back to AG as opposition I will boo every single touch. 

Yes, I may have a complex, I may need therapy, but this bloke... given his involvement in Tammy's driving error also, worst signing ever. 

I just looked at the thread listings and the 'number 2' thread is below yours. Adam Matthews is indeed a solid number 2. Awful. 

[Shtanley]

6 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

There is a player in Zak and I agree with you about Saturday. You know Zak will give it all as he wants to prove he can do it. Though maybe Newcastle away is one we may want to spare him a bit but maybe thrown into the deep end will pay off. 

Every game right now is one you'd want to spare him from.

Honestly I think LJ has to shake things up. Magnusson, Vyner, ODowda, Reid and Tomlin all need to play. In order to get this energy and desire the team so clearly need I feel he must play players that have to perform in order to break into the team.

[shelts]

44 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Just feel he deserves his own thread. I have never hated a player as much as I hate Adam Matthews. He's a conman, he's a fraud, he's a toothless **** and having watched this team for decades I struggle to think of a player more disappointing than him. 

I hope I NEVER see him in a Bristol City shirt again. If he ever comes back to AG as opposition I will boo every single touch. 

Yes, I may have a complex, I may need therapy, but this bloke... given his involvement in Tammy's driving error also, worst signing ever. 

Stitched by the manager , pulled out of position exactly the same way Little has been exposed all season . Shocking pass by the keeper, Mathews should've put it out or clattered their player granted. 

[Red & Gold]

What I don't understand is how he ever passed a medical and pre signing examination or how we didn't pick up on his poor condition back in the summer pre signing. Given his high wages which we are probably contributing a significant proportion to combined with the loss of Alying it was a certainly very costly error. If they didn't do one  it would be very amateurish.... Despite the guff from Ashton and Lee all season.

[RT's Vaseline Tub]

42 minutes ago, Jacki said:

He was absolutely disgraceful tonight. Abysmal. I thought Little was bad but at least he tries. 

Little always gives 100% as he's a trier but maybe not Championship class but that's not his fault; just the way it is.

Top bloke & infectious personality whereas AM is the complete opposite- a mercenary bell end.

[Curr Avon]

43 minutes ago, Jacki said:

He was absolutely disgraceful tonight. Abysmal. I thought Little was bad but at least he tries. 

He was more like Bernard Matthews. A real turkey.

[Nomad]

10 minutes ago, Shtanley said:

Vyner. Start him at Newcastle, I don't give a shit what you all think of my admiration for young Zak but he has to start saturday.

I agree. FFS I'd stick McCoulsky or Engvall in as well alongside Djuric. Taylor was poor tonight (hamstring injury or not). We saw a kid of 16 play well against us but want to buy players of 18-23 for the under 23's? Old enough good enough.

[tts_city]

In some fairness to matthews I think it was giefer who first gave him the ball with two fulham players lurking, he gives it to cotterill  who gave it straight back to him in a very pressured position, he/cotterill should have just put a boot through it, so i dont think he has sole blame for the goal.

[Dredd]

Never want to see him in a City shirt again. Give Vyner a run. 

Argued with Johnson after the second goal and promptly got subbed. Don't think we will see him next week

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, tts_city said:

In some fairness to matthews I think it was giefer who first gave him the ball with two fulham players lurking, he gives it to cotterill  who gave it straight back to him in a very pressured position, he/cotterill should have just put a boot through it, so i dont think he has sole blame for the goal.

Me neither, but that was the cherry on the icing on the cake. He was effing crap far before that. DC basically single handedly attacked and defended our right. If I carry on I'll probably sound like he impregnated my wife: luckily you'll all know he's probably too lazy for sex in any case so that can't be it. 

[Nomad]

1 minute ago, tts_city said:

In some fairness to matthews I think it was giefer who first gave him the ball with two fulham players lurking, he gives it to cotterill  who gave it straight back to him in a very pressured position, he/cotterill should have just put a boot through it, so i dont think he has sole blame for the goal.

Since getting home I did watch it back on sky sports highlights and you are correct. It wasn't just AM that was culpable. But once again this all goes to prove that LJ has no idea - he subbed him and will no doubt will bung him with the kids. Personally I' rather never see him play again but that is more to do with attitude and application rather than "talent".

[Guest]

Just now, Nomad said:

Since getting home I did watch it back on sky sports highlights and you are correct. It wasn't just AM that was culpable. But once again this all goes to prove that LJ has no idea - he subbed him and will no doubt will bung him with the kids. Personally I' rather never see him play again but that is more to do with attitude and application rather than "talent".

AM wasn't just bad for that. He was a disgrace well before that incident. 

[tts_city]

3 minutes ago, Nomad said:

Since getting home I did watch it back on sky sports highlights and you are correct. It wasn't just AM that was culpable. But once again this all goes to prove that LJ has no idea - he subbed him and will no doubt will bung him with the kids. Personally I' rather never see him play again but that is more to do with attitude and application rather than "talent".

just watched it back myself, one of the softest goals you will ever see, im so ******* depressed, surely he will be gone by tomorrow ? 

[Davefevs]

57 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

He wasn't great but first half not the worst on the pitch - let's not scapegoat the right back when the midfield was just not interested

I thought he was okay 1st half....but I think he may have played his last 55 minutes for the club.

[Flagon]

Being at Sunderland I think he conveniently played himself out of the Newcastle game.

[Dullmoan Tone]

1 minute ago, tinman85 said:

Vyner? He's poor too. We need to play 3.5.2. Said it for weeks. 

I agree - this is no time for a rookie right back, who's been partly converted from an academy centre back

[man in the middle]

2 minutes ago, Jacki said:

He was absolutely disgraceful tonight. Abysmal. I thought Little was bad but at least he tries. 

Could be said for most of our players tonight :-(

[tts_city]

2 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

Vyner? He's poor too. We need to play 3.5.2. Said it for weeks. 

Yeah it worked so well under cotterill.

[Dullmoan Tone]

2 minutes ago, tts_city said:

Yeah it worked so well under cotterill.

We have different players now - the trouble is, I think we would have to drop Flint to make it work and I can't ever see that happening, no matter how many goals we ship

[MarkRed!]

I would terminate the loan and play Vyner. Disgraceful conduct but he is not alone....

[glynriley]

Nowhere near fit. Shouldn't have been out there, but we've not signed many players, have we...?!

[JoeAman08]

10 minutes ago, Shtanley said:

Every game right now is one you'd want to spare him from.

Honestly I think LJ has to shake things up. Magnusson, Vyner, ODowda, Reid and Tomlin all need to play. In order to get this energy and desire the team so clearly need I feel he must play players that have to perform in order to break into the team.

I'm with you on all of them except Tomlin. I'm about as done with him as the OP is with Matthews. I cringed when the fans sang his name and applauded him when he came on. He's had about 1 decent performance in about 20. He came on tonight and did exactly what I thought he would, nothing. 

Anyway, I don't want to go too off topic. Thought Reid lacked in quality but was willing to close people down. Watched him chase down 3 Fulham players as they each passed around Joe Bryan as he pretty much watched. He tried to push us forward and tried to shoot. Probably the only player I've seen not be effected by our negative style. Brownhill for as good as he's been, is just far too safe. No risk in his game and he doesn't bring enough defensively for me to keep starting him. Won't get forward, doesn't pass forward and won't really go full on in a tackle. He safe safe safe which is fine but once we go a goal down he's lost. He's developed a lot since he got here but he has mastered no one thing yet. 

Back to Joe. He was about as disinterested as I've ever seen a player. Had a little spark when he was moved central for a bit but on the wing, didn't get out of half speed once. Won't try to run in behind and didn't sprint back when Fredericks(glad he didn't start) got in time after time. When Joe finally does well it comes to the cross. I told someone sat in front of me, that's why we don't cross. He is a woeful crosser. COD should've never lost that spot to begin with and should start from here on out. He's positive, he's quick and he wins dangerous free kicks. Final product? Name me a city player with one. 

Magnusson for Flint. Done with Flint as well. He tries but he's too nice and just not a good enough footballer. Happy to let people receive the ball to feet. Doesn't go through anyone or kick them in the back of the legs. I don't mean it in a dirty way either. Just look at Bailey Wright. Doesn't let player settled with the ball. Gets into them, pushes them and kicks them. More times than not, play goes on and every once in awhile it slows their attack as a foul is called. Flint is too nice and if we are going to have nice out there, better a nice guy that can play football. Magnusson probably won't be going through anyone either. No what else he won't do? He won't have time to bring a ball down but instead head it as far and as high as he can. Flint gives the ball back like this a good 10-15 times a game. Mate, you can take a quick glance at where your team is and cushion a header to someone as a pass. How many times have I seen that man with 10 yards of space crouch down to pound the ball 25 yards back to the other team? He's a serious liability. Love him and I think he loves the club and gives his all but he's nowhere near championship standard. Woeful Rotherham have 2 CBs I would take right now over Flint. 

Vyner at RB all day. Every game right now is tough but Newcastle could be a real hiding. I wouldn't want to shatter his confidence but again it could work as motivation as well if he gets taught a few lessons. Tough call for Saturday but I wouldn't be upset if he started. Just a little worried. 

Sorry for the long reply. It's more a response to you and a new post altogether. Hated pretty much everything tonight. Coach is clueless, players didn't try and watched a quality side thinking that's the type of football we should be playing. Just now getting dry and warm as well so really just a miserable night. 

 

[Davefevs]

11 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

Vyner? He's poor too. We need to play 3.5.2. Said it for weeks. 

I'm with you.  Don't want to, but think we have too.  Although we don't have great wingbacks, at present I think we have worse full-backs (on current form).

I hold my hand up too.  I was a big supporter of Hegeler moving into midfield.  I thought he oozes class from that RCB position of his first few games and he could bring that to our midfield .  However in our current run, I think the Championship can bypass him a bit.

I could see him back as RCB or even the central man of a three (more a Sweeper).

So perm 3 from Flint, Wright, Hegeler and Magnüsson 

[tts_city]

7 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said:

We have different players now - the trouble is, I think we would have to drop Flint to make it work and I can't ever see that happening, no matter how many goals we ship

do you honestly think this squad is any better than second part of the last season ? the one with promotion form ? I cant see it, wish i could mind.

[Red-Robbo]

57 minutes ago, 29AR said:

 

Our midfield.. Brownhill I thought was actually rather good.

WHAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!    

It was playing Brownhill utterly out of position, as a defensive midfielder, that led to us looking like utter chumps throughout the first half.

Brownhill can look quite handy going forward, but he has the defensive presence of a cardboard cut-out. If he backed off his man any more he'd be sitting in the crowd.

It's why LJ likes him so much, I reckon. Reminds him of his own playing style.

The guy who set up the first goal was allowed to make the pass by Brownhill - standing, rooted to the spot, about 8 bloody feet away from him. Throughout his 45 minutes, zero closing down, zero tackles.

Hegeler had a poor game, but it's madness to play Brownhill back there. It's like Lee tried to solve the Tomlin or Bobby in advanced midfield conundrum by simply having no advanced midfield. Just two deep defensive midfielders, one not playing well, and the other I can't blame, but he should never be handed that role.

GON or Pack please, every game. 

 

[bearded_red]

7 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I'm with you on all of them except Tomlin. I'm about as done with him as the OP is with Matthews. I cringed when the fans sang his name and applauded him when he came on. He's had about 1 decent performance in about 20. He came on tonight and did exactly what I thought he would, nothing. 

 

Massively agree with this, don't understand at all the easy ride he gets.

As for his desperate attempts at the final whistle to remain popular by making a real show of clapping the fans? Embarrassing. I'd hope we can all see through such actions. If he put half as much effort in on the pitch as he did clapping after the final whistle he'd probably be managing to get a game in a team as terrible as ours.

If a new manager comes in, and manages to get Tomlin back in the team and playing some actual decent football then he can of course be a real asset in helping us stay up. But even if this happens we should be trying to move him on in the summer.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

WHAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!    

It was playing Brownhill utterly out of position, as a defensive midfielder, that led to us looking like utter chumps throughout the first half.

Brownhill can look quite handy going forward, but he has the defensive presence of a cardboard cut-out. If he backed off his man any more he'd be sitting in the crowd.

It's why LJ likes him so much, I reckon. Reminds him of his own playing style.

The guy who set up the first goal was allowed to make the pass by Brownhill - standing, rooted to the spot, about 8 bloody feet away from him. Throughout his 45 minutes, zero closing down, zero tackles.

Hegeler had a poor game, but it's madness to play Brownhill back there. It's like Lee tried to solve the Tomlin or Bobby in advanced midfield conundrum by simply having no advanced midfield. Just two deep defensive midfielders, one not playing well, and the other I can't blame, but he should never be handed that role.

GON or Pack please, every game. 

 

I honestly think the dropping off was an instruction. MT interview says how LJ identified Fulham as the highest passers in the league. First half, second half, LJ's demeanour and lack of jumping up and down... I honestly think we were told to back off. That never changed at any point. Take the first half, how often did Djuric even peel back to AM positioning? This wasn't organic. 

So Brownhill I thought did look decent going forward and won more than his fair share of loose balls and 50/50s in the final third. Outside of that he was bad, but I think tactically made to look so. And we also played 2 (to my recollection) formations first half, maybe more... that's not conducive for a CM. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

Massively agree with this, don't understand at all the easy ride he gets.

As for his desperate attempts at the final whistle to remain popular by making a real show of clapping the fans? Embarrassing. I'd hope we can all see through such actions. If he put half as much effort in on the pitch as he did clapping after the final whistle he'd probably be managing to get a game in a team as terrible as ours.

If a new manager comes in, and manages to get Tomlin back in the team and playing some actual decent football then he can of course be a real asset in helping us stay up. But even if this happens we should be trying to move him on in the summer.

With this and then some. Have a hankering he, GON and Matthews have between them contributed in no small part to a lack of squad unity being discussed currently. 

Like you, get rid if we can get our outlay back. If not, maybe stick with him. 

One thing is for sure, falling out at BMouth, falling out here, he should have a serious think about what he wants from the game. His reputation could well be in tatters sooner than he realises. There's a reason he came on loan to a relegation threatened club and signed here.  If we then want rid... 

This is where agents go missing. If he was my client I'd be dressing him down right now. I'd not be trying to get him a move, I'd be trying to get his f head right. 

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, 29AR said:

I honestly think the dropping off was an instruction. MT interview says how LJ identified Fulham as the highest passers in the league. First half, second half, LJ's demeanour and lack of jumping up and down... I honestly think we were told to back off. That never changed at any point. Take the first half, how often did Djuric even peel back to AM positioning? This wasn't organic. 

So Brownhill I thought did look decent going forward and won more than his fair share of loose balls and 50/50s in the final third. Outside of that he was bad, but I think tactically made to look so. And we also played 2 (to my recollection) formations first half, maybe more... that's not conducive for a CM. 

Trouble was he was only going forward for about 5 minutes of the 45. Once he was - quite correctly - subbed, we started to look a lot less clownish. Bobby might not have the physique to bully people off the ball, but he does get in their faces. He's like a little Jack Russell snapping at opponents heels. Get up close and you close the angles opponents can pass to. Yes they might go round you, but they have to achieve that. Their play options are narrowed.

LJ obviously said as much as there was a lot more physicality from us second half. Clumsily so in Hegeler's case, but he did what I'd have done in his place - try to take out Cairney. By the time we had GON and Tomlin on, we were nearer the line-up we should have started with. Sadly, by that time, the damage had been done and heads had dropped.

[Loosey Boy]

Should never play for City again.....he couldn't care less about us!

[BobBobSuperBob]

57 minutes ago, Shtanley said:

Every game right now is one you'd want to spare him from.

Honestly I think LJ has to shake things up. Magnusson, Vyner, ODowda, Reid and Tomlin all need to play. In order to get this energy and desire the team so clearly need I feel he must play players that have to perform in order to break into the team.

The players that he's already pissed off Shtanley ?

(Understand your fair point but I don't think he can name 11 anymore that are 'with' him !!  - and I'm serious !! )

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Trouble was he was only going forward for about 5 minutes of the 45. Once he was - quite correctly - subbed, we started to look a lot less clownish. Bobby might not have the physique to bully people off the ball, but he does get in their faces. He's like a little Jack Russell snapping at opponents heels. Get up close and you close the angles opponents can pass to. Yes they might go round you, but they have to achieve that. Their play options are narrowed.

LJ obviously said as much as there was a lot more physicality from us second half. Clumsily so in Hegeler's case, but he did what I'd have done in his place - try to take out Cairney. By the time we had GON and Tomlin on, we were nearer the line-up we should have started with. Sadly, by that time, the damage had been done and heads had dropped.

Maybe. To be honest Bobby did offer that but as you allude to, many balls went around. You either press as a team a la Klopp or you don't frankly imo. There's no point closing one player only to have your teammates not closing their options - be them even backwards. Otherwise you're just flogging individuals and begging to lose shape without reasonable chance of regaining possession. 

The players you mention, Tomlin and O'Neil cannot do this for 90. I don't think they could for 45 even. 2 players not up to fitness and team pressing is not an option. 

[BobBobSuperBob]

12 minutes ago, bearded_red said:

Massively agree with this, don't understand at all the easy ride he gets.

As for his desperate attempts at the final whistle to remain popular by making a real show of clapping the fans? Embarrassing. I'd hope we can all see through such actions. If he put half as much effort in on the pitch as he did clapping after the final whistle he'd probably be managing to get a game in a team as terrible as ours.

If a new manager comes in, and manages to get Tomlin back in the team and playing some actual decent football then he can of course be a real asset in helping us stay up. But even if this happens we should be trying to move him on in the summer.

Total agreement

As for fans seeing through him - about %90 of the posters on here gulped up every word in his 'Me and the gaffer get on fine' charade of an interview !

So don't hold your breath

 

[Red-Robbo]

2 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Maybe. To be honest Bobby did offer that but as you allude to, many balls went around. You either press as a team a la Klopp or you don't frankly imo. There's no point closing one player only to have your teammates not closing their options - be them even backwards. Otherwise you're just flogging individuals and begging to lose shape without reasonable chance of regaining possession. 

The players you mention, Tomlin and O'Neil cannot do this for 90. I don't think they could for 45 even. 2 players not up to fitness and team pressing is not an option. 

In which case, start Pack. As soon as I heard we had a central midfield of Brownhill and Hegeler, I knew we wouldn't win. I can't say I predicted just how dire it would be, but maybe I underestimated Lee's talent for unincentivising the team. This thread's about Adam Matthews, so we're going off tangent here, but I honestly feel you might as well play Frank Fielding - or perhaps one of the stewards - as a defensive midfielder as Josh Brownhill. 

[Chappers]

Not great tonight and probably time for Vyner to step up. Can't see 3-5-2 working as we don't have quality wing backs. Also not impressed with this keeper, Frankie may. May not be perfect, but of the 4 tried so far he looks the best.  Yet again, the lack of pace in the team exposed, and teams have learnt to push up on us and hurry us, so that we resort to hoofing long balls forward, or just give the ball away. Also asking a lot of two strikers new to Championship football to carry the attacking threat, especially given the poor service they get.

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, Chappers said:

Not great tonight and probably time for Vyner to step up. Can't see 3-5-2 working as we don't have quality wing backs. Also not impressed with this keeper, Frankie may. May not be perfect, but of the 4 tried so far he looks the best.  Yet again, the lack of pace in the team exposed, and teams have learnt to push up on us and hurry us, so that we resort to hoofing long balls forward, or just give the ball away. Also asking a lot of two strikers new to Championship football to carry the attacking threat, especially given the poor service they get.

I wouldn't blame the keeper for either goal. He also made at least two very decent saves, and came out of his box to kick to safety when Fulham threatened with yet another breakaway.

Kicking not great, but improving. But Fielding is not exactly great in that respect either.

[Fiale]

46 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I'm with you on all of them except Tomlin. I'm about as done with him as the OP is with Matthews. I cringed when the fans sang his name and applauded him when he came on. He's had about 1 decent performance in about 20. He came on tonight and did exactly what I thought he would, nothing. 

Anyway, I don't want to go too off topic. Thought Reid lacked in quality but was willing to close people down. Watched him chase down 3 Fulham players as they each passed around Joe Bryan as he pretty much watched. He tried to push us forward and tried to shoot. Probably the only player I've seen not be effected by our negative style. Brownhill for as good as he's been, is just far too safe. No risk in his game and he doesn't bring enough defensively for me to keep starting him. Won't get forward, doesn't pass forward and won't really go full on in a tackle. He safe safe safe which is fine but once we go a goal down he's lost. He's developed a lot since he got here but he has mastered no one thing yet. 

Back to Joe. He was about as disinterested as I've ever seen a player. Had a little spark when he was moved central for a bit but on the wing, didn't get out of half speed once. Won't try to run in behind and didn't sprint back when Fredericks(glad he didn't start) got in time after time. When Joe finally does well it comes to the cross. I told someone sat in front of me, that's why we don't cross. He is a woeful crosser. COD should've never lost that spot to begin with and should start from here on out. He's positive, he's quick and he wins dangerous free kicks. Final product? Name me a city player with one. 

Magnusson for Flint. Done with Flint as well. He tries but he's too nice and just not a good enough footballer. Happy to let people receive the ball to feet. Doesn't go through anyone or kick them in the back of the legs. I don't mean it in a dirty way either. Just look at Bailey Wright. Doesn't let player settled with the ball. Gets into them, pushes them and kicks them. More times than not, play goes on and every once in awhile it slows their attack as a foul is called. Flint is too nice and if we are going to have nice out there, better a nice guy that can play football. Magnusson probably won't be going through anyone either. No what else he won't do? He won't have time to bring a ball down but instead head it as far and as high as he can. Flint gives the ball back like this a good 10-15 times a game. Mate, you can take a quick glance at where your team is and cushion a header to someone as a pass. How many times have I seen that man with 10 yards of space crouch down to pound the ball 25 yards back to the other team? He's a serious liability. Love him and I think he loves the club and gives his all but he's nowhere near championship standard. Woeful Rotherham have 2 CBs I would take right now over Flint. 

Vyner at RB all day. Every game right now is tough but Newcastle could be a real hiding. I wouldn't want to shatter his confidence but again it could work as motivation as well if he gets taught a few lessons. Tough call for Saturday but I wouldn't be upset if he started. Just a little worried. 

Sorry for the long reply. It's more a response to you and a new post altogether. Hated pretty much everything tonight. Coach is clueless, players didn't try and watched a quality side thinking that's the type of football we should be playing. Just now getting dry and warm as well so really just a miserable night. 

 

 

I suspect that's why we have not seen him for a long while.

[Chappers]

Not been impressed by this keeper at all, looks very shaky to me and does not command the box at all. Also been caught flat footed more often that you'd expect. Then again, after all the recent debacles, a debate about which pretty average keeper is better seems a tad pointless. Who picks the ball out of the back of the net with the greater style?

[Olé]

To be honest, if Steve Cotterill had brought Zak Vyner back from a loan where by all accounts he was outstanding, and then in a match where he was one of only two options at RB against an opposition well known to play with pacy wingers, and then chose to play someone as pedestrian and routinely at fault as Matthews, people would have crucified him and cited it as evidence that SC was stubbornly blocking youth development at the club.

It always amazes me that LJ seems to get a pass on this. Personally I think it is laughable that one of the things Cotterill got so written off about, is given to be part of the reason SL/MA have LJ here. LJ only plays youth arbitrarily when their number comes up in his team selection tombola. Perhaps if Cotterill continually bought more players and relegated £3m+ worth of younger ones to loans, he'd be considered a "youth development" specialist too.

[brady bunch]

13 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

Anyone who saw that interview with him in the summer could see that he didn't want to be here, but had no other options. Major disappointment but nowhere near the only one.

So true, go back and watch it, never wanted to be here

[AppyDAZE]

7 hours ago, brady bunch said:

So true, go back and watch it, never wanted to be here

Shame that wasn't spotted by someone at the club really, because the fans noticed it straight away.

[cidered abroad]

He is really making previous "totally crap" right backs like Brian Mitchell, Marvin Harriott and Ncky Hunt look like polished internationals.

[redapple]

22 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I thought he was okay 1st half....but I think he may have played his last 55 minutes for the club.

I normally respect your opinions but have to disagree on this occasion. 

Matthews was lazy in the first half, gave to much space to Fulham Left Forward, generally poor positioning & some shockingly bad passes. 

His body language was awful ( in fairness it always is)and he never seemed to get beyond three quarter pace. Should have been replaced at half time with Heggler and Bryan.

[Davefevs]

35 minutes ago, redapple said:

I normally respect your opinions but have to disagree on this occasion. 

Matthews was lazy in the first half, gave to much space to Fulham Left Forward, generally poor positioning & some shockingly bad passes. 

His body language was awful ( in fairness it always is)and he never seemed to get beyond three quarter pace. Should have been replaced at half time with Heggler and Bryan.

Hey, no problems.  I thought he was okay in relation to everyone else....I guess we were poor all round.

Him and several others were both the cause and effect of us not being able to close the ball down.  A collective failing.