Phileas Fogg Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 On 06/03/2017 at 22:14, Phileas Fogg said: IMAGINE the meltdown if Pemberton is gone but Johnson & Holden stay. I almost want to see it happen just for the fury it'll create. I see, so amazingly this is exactly what did happen. There also has been a big meltdown (and rightfully so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Johnson stating 'The Club' decided to dispense with Pembo and he had no problem with him When pushed by Chris Spittles (Fair play) as to whether it was Johnsons , Ashton's or Lansdown decision he then stated it was a decision made by 'him and the board' Then describes McCallister as young and enthusiastic Brilliant A complete weasel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Up The City! said: Who said I had total faith in him? Check my recent postings and you won't see any posts that suggest I have total faith in him. Im 100% on the fence but accept thr board ain't going to sack him. Ignore him cityironman, everyone does on here, he contradicts himself by the hour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 One of the worst things about this is if Johnson does go... Holden is the caretaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Wouldn't that be absolutely fantastic?! So-called fans on this forum foaming at the mouth about how the dastardly Lee Johnson, curling his moustache and cackling demonically, has done for the saintly and rather wonderful Pembo, and it was all untrue!! Wouldn't that be just too marvellous for words? Oh please, please let it be made up!! Unlucky After you got all so excited too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Johnson stating 'The Club' decided to dispense with Pembo and he had no problem with him When pushed by Chris Spittles (Fair play) as to whether it was Johnsons , Ashton's or Lansdown decision he then stated it was a decision made by 'him and the board' Then describes McCallister as young and enthusiastic Brilliant A complete weasel Yep, I heard that and thought ""young and enthusiastic" - is that what we need right now?"...and concluded that it wasn't. Another rookie learning the ropes... None of it makes any sense, at least not to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Red Exile said: Yep, I heard that and thought "young and enthusiastic - is that what we need right now?"...and concluded that it wasn't. Another rookie learning the ropes... None of it makes any sense, at least not to me. What he should have said is Im using my mate Jamie quite well Brought him in to get rid of Wade Elliot (A horrible SC disciple) job done Stab Pemberton in the back (Another horrible SC man) Get JM and my mate Dean alongside me , Lansdown in my pocket Jobs a good un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Johnson stating 'The Club' decided to dispense with Pembo and he had no problem with him When pushed by Chris Spittles (Fair play) as to whether it was Johnsons , Ashton's or Lansdown decision he then stated it was a decision made by 'him and the board' Then describes McCallister as young and enthusiastic Brilliant A complete weasel Bristol City in "job for the boys/job for my mate" shocker. Again. Also, have to be honest I didn't event think McAllister was that good a defender to be honest, he was average at best. Doesn't inspire me that he is now looking after the defensive side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 Where's the king of smooth talking bullshit Ashton Thought he was in charge of the Football side of the Club What have you to say about John Pemberton Mr Ashton? You seem to have dissapeared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: One of the worst things about this is if Johnson does go... Holden is the caretaker Not so sure, I reckon Holden goes when he does. Which will probably mean Jamie Mac as caretaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 15 minutes ago, OddBallJim said: Bristol City in "job for the boys/job for my mate" shocker. Again. Also, have to be honest I didn't event think McAllister was that good a defender to be honest, he was average at best. Doesn't inspire me that he is now looking after the defensive side of things. I don't think there's necessarily any correlation between ability as a player and ability as a manager/coach - I think it's an unfair point to critique. By all accounts, McAllister was doing a good job with the U23's and learning his trade there. He should've been left doing that and if we must replace Pemberton then do it with someone more experienced/better than JP was. That's the logical way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I don't think there's necessarily any correlation between ability as a player and ability as a manager/coach - I think it's an unfair point to critique. By all accounts, McAllister was doing a good job with the U23's and learning his trade there. He should've been left doing that and if we must replace Pemberton then do it with someone more experienced/better than JP was. That's the logical way to do it. Yeah but this is Bristol City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: Yeah but this is Bristol City That's what I was alluding to, can't fathom the decision making process here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I don't think there's necessarily any correlation between ability as a player and ability as a manager/coach - I think it's an unfair point to critique. By all accounts, McAllister was doing a good job with the U23's and learning his trade there. He should've been left doing that and if we must replace Pemberton then do it with someone more experienced/better than JP was. That's the logical way to do it. I understand your points, I think we are in agreement but have come to it from different perspectives. I think it is entirely fair to critique a specialised coach - all the football coaching education in the world can make you a good teacher, but sometimes I feel you need that top level playing ability to really drive on the potential of the players under your tutorship, whether that be through being able to recall on previous experiences or being an inspiration figure to the younger players because of the coaches prior playing career. Time will tell I suppose! I too would have liked a more experienced coach to come into the fold, who had no prior connections or responsibilities with the club. Having McAllister there just smacks of the same old job for the boys mentality that has been rife at this club since the day Danny Wilson was sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, OddBallJim said: I understand your points, I think we are in agreement but have come to it from different perspectives. I think it is entirely fair to critique a specialised coach - all the football coaching education in the world can make you a good teacher, but sometimes I feel you need that top level playing ability to really drive on the potential of the players under your tutorship, whether that be through being able to recall on previous experiences or being an inspiration figure to the younger players because of the coaches prior playing career. Time will tell I suppose! I too would have liked a more experienced coach to come into the fold, who had no prior connections or responsibilities with the club. Having McAllister there just smacks of the same old job for the boys mentality that has been rife at this club since the day Danny Wilson was sacked. I agree re: experience. I think it gives you an edge - Reading players aren't exactly going to question what Jaap Stam says are they! If you weren't a word class player, you have to make up for it with your leadership skills and how much respect you command in addition to coaching ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: I agree re: experience. I think it gives you an edge - Reading players aren't exactly going to question what Jaap Stam says are they! If you weren't a word class player, you have to make up for it with your leadership skills and how much respect you command in addition to coaching ability. I agree with all of this. Do we think our manager.. Sorry "head coach" fits the bill of your post I've highlighted? Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, OddBallJim said: I agree with all of this. Do we think our manager.. Sorry "head coach" fits the bill of your post I've highlighted? Not a chance. Sadly no. I really bought into him, I liked how he spoke about football, I liked his ideas on how the game should be played.. sadly it's looking like that's all it was; talk and ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famouslastword Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 What I don't understand is why all of a sudden there is so much love with pemberton. He has come out and said he was in charge of the defence in training. This is where I biggest problem has been this season. So why all the love? if everyone wants Johnson out, surely you should want the man who has coached our defence to ship goals week in week out also sent packing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, famouslastword said: What I don't understand is why all of a sudden there is so much love with pemberton. He has come out and said he was in charge of the defence in training. This is where I biggest problem has been this season. So why all the love? if everyone wants Johnson out, surely you should want the man who has coached our defence to ship goals week in week out also sent packing? That might be... But what about the timing of the rather abrupt announcement? On the back of a clean sheet and moments before KO in a critical home game where the fans are already well and truly on edge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, famouslastword said: What I don't understand is why all of a sudden there is so much love with pemberton. He has come out and said he was in charge of the defence in training. This is where I biggest problem has been this season. So why all the love? if everyone wants Johnson out, surely you should want the man who has coached our defence to ship goals week in week out also sent packing? It's the manner of how it's been done. It was done in a totally classless way and a total disservice to a man who was part of huge success here and clearly cared about our club. To begin with; there are many people who thought all 3 should go - it's strange that just 1 of our first team coaches should be fired. Secondly; the statement. It's an insult to Pemberton but also to the fans. Pemberton and us as supporters deserve better than how this was handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 48 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Where's the king of smooth talking bullshit Ashton Thought he was in charge of the Football side of the Club What have you to say about John Pemberton Mr Ashton? You seem to have dissapeared Off to Savile Row for some more suits and lecturing Premiership potential managers next week on 'How to get a job in football using charm,smart dressing and being an invisible man when the sh*t hits the fan' Followed by a book signing on ' How I rose from Oxford United by using the bullsh*t methods to a modern day Championship side' We await his new book 'Conning Rich Men in 1 easy lesson ' Soon available at Waterstones and all good book stores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted March 7, 2017 Report Share Posted March 7, 2017 11 hours ago, southvillekiddy said: I think what you highlight is the pernicious thing in this sacking if it has happened. Lansdown isn't fooling anybody with this. He's losing fans in so many ways now. Terrible times for City. Conversation earwigged at the gate between staffers, not by me! - he had to go after a second verbal bust up with LJ, he put the tweet up this morning knowing what was coming, then took it off when he was called in for the meeting, the last couple of games we have been discussing a toxic atmosphere at games - how toxic is it behind those doors? A head coach rarely seen at training can't pick a team, head scout gone - no surprise when most of his signings don't get near the team, Holden brought in, who the hell is he. Does he have a claim to fame? Why were the fans at his last club cheering when he left? public spat with Tomlin and a good assistant coach gone after 2 fall outs with a trainee too wet behind the ears to command the confidence of his staff. Hope and pray we stay up, but for gods sake run the little twit out of town or div 1 looms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, dave36 said: A head coach rarely seen at training I hope you're not basing that on Pemberton's "ease the workload" comment in isolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I hope you're not basing that on Pemberton's "ease the workload" comment in isolation. In fairness PF - SL said that the appointment of Holden would give Junior more time to 'concentrate on first team recruitment' That won't be on the training ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I hope you're not basing that on Pemberton's "ease the workload" comment in isolation. No I'm not, it's been said here but this comes from a parent of an academy hopefull - I asked him about the coaching and how intensive it is and to be fair he said he thought it was about right, when I asked him about watching senior sessions and how good LJ is, he burst into a fit of laughter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Pemberton is gone because he was the natural caretaker and supporters in many cases knew it. Remove the competition and you're golden. It's just so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Sadly no. I really bought into him, I liked how he spoke about football, I liked his ideas on how the game should be played.. sadly it's looking like that's all it was; talk and ideas. I never bought into him. Never wanted him in the first place..thought he talked naively at best now he just talks but it means nothing. 58 minutes ago, famouslastword said: What I don't understand is why all of a sudden there is so much love with pemberton. He has come out and said he was in charge of the defence in training. This is where I biggest problem has been this season. So why all the love? if everyone wants Johnson out, surely you should want the man who has coached our defence to ship goals week in week out also sent packing? I think the man is as honest as the day is long. He mans up which is a darn sight more than the hapless duo he has left behind. Sadly he is probably better out of it. Another total cluster f--- by city. And as Redoxo says above... With his caretaking ability now gone LJ is more secure.. At least that is his cunning plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 26 minutes ago, dave36 said: No I'm not, it's been said here but this comes from a parent of an academy hopefull - I asked him about the coaching and how intensive it is and to be fair he said he thought it was about right, when I asked him about watching senior sessions and how good LJ is, he burst into a fit of laughter! Hmm I see, not good to hear. Apologies - I just tire of people taking newspaper comments out of context without more info but clearly you weren't doing that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnefcok Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 Can only guess from an opposition fan's viewpoint, but from the outside looks like your owner is in denial about the manager being out of his depth and has sanctioned the removal of the assistant and the head of scouting as part of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southstandoriginal Posted March 8, 2017 Report Share Posted March 8, 2017 7 minutes ago, pnefcok said: Can only guess from an opposition fan's viewpoint, but from the outside looks like your owner is in denial about the manager being out of his depth and has sanctioned the removal of the assistant and the head of scouting as part of that. Bullseye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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