Kid in the Riot Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Aside from being surely the only league manager ever to achieve 8 straight league defeats at TWO clubs in a 12 month period... ...we have also only scored 1 goal from open play in the first half at home all season (Tammy v Reading). That's 18 games = 810 minutes or 13.5 hours of play. Hardly surprising the players and supporters have absolutely no confidence of winning games. He really is in a league of his own... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 These stats really are stacking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 I well remember our lack of first half goals, been a major problem all season as you say. Even including penalties- Ipswich Tomlin pen was our FIRST home goal of the season in the first half- in December which is truly atrocious. Always found it odd that we had to rely on 2nd half rallies at home week in week out and always was worried it would catch up with us in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B block Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Aside from being surely the only league manager ever to achieve 8 straight league defeats at TWO clubs in a 12 month period... ...we have also only scored 1 goal from open play in the first half at home all season (Tammy v Reading). That's 18 games = 810 minutes or 13.5 hours of play. Hardly surprising the players and supporters have absolutely no confidence of winning games. He really is in a league of his own... Downs league manager premier league bull$**ter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 We're usually set up wrong and it takes until the second half to be corrected. I remember when he took over from Cotterill thinking "at least he knows when things aren't working and takes action" but it's now clear he doesn't know how to avoid things not working in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire reds Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Don't worry Lee is the man all is well he is our future. Ask ashton and Steve. Top young coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 How many first half goals have we scored at home in first half in total? 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: We're usually set up wrong and it takes until the second half to be corrected. I remember when he took over from Cotterill thinking "at least he knows when things aren't working and takes action" but it's now clear he doesn't know how to avoid things not working in the first place. Perhaps "bomb alley" and the "corridor of uncertainty" don't open until 4pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: We're usually set up wrong and it takes until the second half to be corrected. I remember when he took over from Cotterill thinking "at least he knows when things aren't working and takes action" but it's now clear he doesn't know how to avoid things not working in the first place. You say that, but maybe it was deliberate ploy as others have posted on this board about. Could be either really,as it took us until about Brentford in December to concede a 2nd half goal at home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, glynriley said: Perhaps "bomb alley" and the "corridor of uncertainty" don't open until 4pm. The corridor of uncertainty leads to Lee's office, I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: You say that, but maybe it was deliberate ploy as others have posted on this board about. Could be either really,as it took us until about Brentford in December to concede a 2nd half goal at home! A ploy to not attack very effectively. Hmmmmm. Not sure the old rope-a-dope works very well in football. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, Red-Robbo said: A ploy to not attack very effectively. Hmmmmm. Not sure the old rope-a-dope works very well in football. ... A ploy to stay in games and then hit the opposition hard in the 2nd half, especially the last half hour. Results wise it worked at home until mid December i.e. Brentford at home but I agree is/was a flawed strategy. Having to keep coming from behind is such a mental drain it was a poor plan with damaging long-term effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: A ploy to stay in games and then hit the opposition hard in the 2nd half, especially the last half hour. Results wise it worked at home until mid December i.e. Brentford at home but I agree is/was a flawed strategy. Having to keep coming from behind is such a mental drain it was a poor plan with damaging long-term effects. Especially with a demoralised team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said: Especially with a demoralised team. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 In a couple of weeks they'll be another milestone to add to the CV: "I achieved 6 months at Bristol City without winning a single away game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Rich Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Hes an absolute embarrassment. How he can face the cameras with a straight face is beyond me. The most deluded person ever. Its like hes told himself he can turn things round so many times he actually believes it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: In a couple of weeks they'll be another milestone to add to the CV: "I achieved 6 months at Bristol City without winning a single away game". Someone must have "achieved" that before in our illustrious history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Someone must have "achieved" that before in our illustrious history? SOD managed nearly 7 months of British Summer Time from the end of March to almost the end of October without any wins in the league home or away. That said can't blame him for June & July! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Big Red Rich said: Hes an absolute embarrassment. How he can face the cameras with a straight face is beyond me. The most deluded person ever. Its like hes told himself he can turn things round so many times he actually believes it... I think that last line is true. A strength and weakness of most football managers is an unshakeable self-belief. Of course, in ye olden days when I first started following football, managers didn't have to face the cameras that often. Their mysterious pronouncements would occasionally make the Evening Post, but pre-match and post-match press conferences had yet to be standard. I'm sure Lee isn't the only one who'd love to go back to those halcyon days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I think that last line is true. A strength and weakness of most football managers is an unshakeable self-belief. Of course, in ye olden days when I first started following football, managers didn't have to face the cameras that often. Their mysterious pronouncements would occasionally make the Evening Post, but pre-match and post-match press conferences had yet to be standard. I'm sure Lee isn't the only one who'd love to go back to those halcyon days. A lot of people on here would also be happy if LJ didn't do so many press conferences either, as there is only so much BS anyone can take! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I think that last line is true. A strength and weakness of most football managers is an unshakeable self-belief. Of course, in ye olden days when I first started following football, managers didn't have to face the cameras that often. Their mysterious pronouncements would occasionally make the Evening Post, but pre-match and post-match press conferences had yet to be standard. I'm sure Lee isn't the only one who'd love to go back to those halcyon days. That's bang on. Which is why he won't quit. He will back himself until the bitter end to turn it round- self-belief and ego like most managers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted March 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Big Red Rich said: Hes an absolute embarrassment. How he can face the cameras with a straight face is beyond me. The most deluded person ever. Its like hes told himself he can turn things round so many times he actually believes it... Yes, he portrays an image of self-belief that he can turn it around. Inside though I think there's a deeply insecure person, and a very risk adverse one too. This manifests itself in his team selections, tactics and the overall 'style' of football the team plays. I don't think he genuinely has that 'unshakeable self-belief' that some of the top managers certainly have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Bard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 22 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: We're usually set up wrong and it takes until the second half to be corrected. I remember when he took over from Cotterill thinking "at least he knows when things aren't working and takes action" but it's now clear he doesn't know how to avoid things not working in the first place. Spot on Robbo. I was saying exactly the same at the beginning of the season. I think the team selection has got worse though.... Watching Korey Smith playing as CAM against Norwich.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, Big Red Rich said: Hes an absolute embarrassment. How he can face the cameras with a straight face is beyond me. The most deluded person ever. Its like hes told himself he can turn things round so many times he actually believes it... Well if the owner is happy with the job he is doing no wonder he believes it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Chris Posted March 10, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: This manifests itself in his team selections, tactics and the overall 'style' of football the team plays. HIS team selections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: Yes, he portrays an image of self-belief that he can turn it around. Inside though I think there's a deeply insecure person, and a very risk adverse one too. This manifests itself in his team selections, tactics and the overall 'style' of football the team plays. I don't think he genuinely has that 'unshakeable self-belief' that some of the top managers certainly have. I bet they all have their fears and insecurities. You can see that by the way Mourinho "Mr Self-belief" reacts to the press since his less happy return. But since we're going all psychological, it's probably the hardest thing to admit to yourself that you cannot do something you assumed you could. One of the reasons I gave up being a reporter for being a backroom "suit" was that I belatedly admitted to myself that I am crap at schmoozing contacts, and awful at remembering people. I liked being "out in the field" so to admit failings shakes your core ego. But it's a useful exercise for us all. Lee needs to be a bit more honest with himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Lee needs to be a bit more honest with himself. There's been a couple of times in the last two months when his body language and interview replies have given the impression that he's about to walk. It was either after Leeds or Villa when he started talking about factions within the squad and players needing to socialise together, knowing who he could trust etc. I would be fairly sure he's offered to resign at least once but it hasn't been accepted, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I bet they all have their fears and insecurities. You can see that by the way Mourinho "Mr Self-belief" reacts to the press since his less happy return. But since we're going all psychological, it's probably the hardest thing to admit to yourself that you cannot do something you assumed you could. One of the reasons I gave up being a reporter for being a backroom "suit" was that I belatedly admitted to myself that I am crap at schmoozing contacts, and awful at remembering people. I liked being "out in the field" so to admit failings shakes your core ego. But it's a useful exercise for us all. Lee needs to be a bit more honest with himself. Leaving aside football, that's a product of age. It remains to be seen whether our manager is able to firstly identify his mistakes and then learn from them. The problem is he needs to do this very quickly and the signs are that he has become more and more insular.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 56 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Aside from being surely the only league manager ever to achieve 8 straight league defeats at TWO clubs in a 12 month period... ...we have also only scored 1 goal from open play in the first half at home all season (Tammy v Reading). That's 18 games = 810 minutes or 13.5 hours of play. Hardly surprising the players and supporters have absolutely no confidence of winning games. He really is in a league of his own... You can't start using facts to back up the gratuitous negativity against our bright young Manager. That's not fair on his apologists. Just get behind the team and it will all magically change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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