JHAGa Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 People constantly criticise LJ for tinkering with the team selection. He rightly keeps the same team that had deservedly hammered Huddersfield, we had lost 1 in 6 and were on the back of 2 successive wins. Players share as much responsiblity as he does for today. We know the system works. Go two goals down in 25 minutes and the game plan is out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Agree - but what does that tell you ((Other than the players deserve a rocket up,their arse) They certainly aren't performing for him - rightly / wrongly and for whatever reason, with only 6 of his 20 odd signings starting again today Hes already discarded a large proportion of the squad as he can't trust them and today we get that - I'd guess there's probably about four that he can trust in by now which in a eleven a side game is a bit of a problem Whatever the reason he certainly get a tune out of these players for 90 mins (Huddersfield aside) let alone a run of games Professional footballers will grab any excuse to provide reason for poor individual performance and I'm afraid it appears LJ is , rightly or wrongly theirs Inexcusable on their part but you have to get to the root of the problem Perhaps Pembo had sneaked back in today ? - He was the latest excuse for the LJ believers Not his fault today was it !!! Something seriously wrong at the club right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Robin Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, JHAGa said: People constantly criticise LJ for tinkering with the team selection. He rightly keeps the same team that had deservedly hammered Huddersfield, we had lost 1 in 6 and were on the back of 2 successive wins. Players share as much responsiblity as he does for today. We know the system works. Go two goals down in 25 minutes and the game plan is out the window. A decent manager should have done his homework on Brentford who are clearly a different team to Huddersfiield and set up so we don't get overrun as we did. He is employed and paid highly as a manager to suss out the opposition and and set us up to best counter them.........this is where Lee is a novice and where someone more experienced would know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Same team, but there wasn't any shape or structure…god knows what they were doing. It was an utter shambles first half, especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Agree - but what does that tell you ((Other than the players deserve a rocket up,their arse) They certainly aren't performing for him - rightly / wrongly and for whatever reason, with only 6 of his 20 odd signings starting again today Hes already discarded a large proportion of the squad as he can't trust them and today we get that - I'd guess there's probably about four that he can trust in by now which in a eleven a side game is a bit of a problem Whatever the reason he certainly get a tune out of these players for 90 mins (Huddersfield aside) let alone a run of games Professional footballers will grab any excuse to provide reason for poor individual performance and I'm afraid it appears LJ is , rightly or wrongly theirs Inexcusable on their part but you have to get to the root of the problem Perhaps Pembo had sneaked back in today ? - He was the latest excuse for the LJ believers Not his fault today was it !!! Something seriously wrong at the club right now But they have been performing for him recently? They just weren't up for it today for whatever reason. Brentford are an odd team, I've watched them twice this season and they looked great in one game and rubbish in the other. They had a good day and we had (one of many!) bad ones. But there's no excusing going 2-0 down in 25 minutes, a complete lack of fight shown and we've seen that the system and team can work. Never blamed Pembo, as I'm sure you know. Simply defended LJ's right to choose his own backroom staff and our good form since he left suggests that the board's decision (not LJ's) to part ways with Pemberton early looked to have been the right one. Particularly our defensive record. Today was very disappointing. Most games this season we've narrowly been edged but there were no excuses for today, we were outclassed and outfought. LJ said the same afterwards but we cannot afford that sort of performance at this point in the season. Needs to be a response on Tuesday but the clock is ticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Convenient how the players step up for a game where their pals and peers can watch on national TV for them to get into bed after the match to be told by twitter they were "on flames" or "played sick mate" Fade back into Saturday 3pm mode and get wiped clean by a club who are made up of Fulham and Chelsea fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 16 minutes ago, JHAGa said: But they have been performing for him recently? Huddesfield they performed - For 'him' ? Who knows - I'd sugggest not 'for him' When else have we 'performed' in the last 3/4 months ? (Not for 'spells' in a game - for a whole performance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider red Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 LJ has fallen out with the players, did some months ago. They aren't playing for him, and when he has publicly picked on players all season its hardly surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, petehinton said: Convenient how the players step up for a game where their pals and peers can watch on national TV for them to get into bed after the match to be told by twitter they were "on flames" or "played sick mate" Fade back into Saturday 3pm mode and get wiped clean by a club who are made up of Fulham and Chelsea fans Certainly looks that way right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 1 minute ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Huddesfield they performed - For 'him' ? Who knows - I'd sugggest not 'for him' When else have we performed sinnthe last 3/4 months ? (Not for 'spells' in a game - for a whole performance) I wouldn't say there's been an evident game where the players haven't performed for the manager. Fulham and Brighton outclassed us but only beat us by two goals. Compare it to past managers that have been sacked here and usually you can see if players have lost all confidence in the manager as they will completely collapse and get hammered. Today was probably the closest you could see to them not playing for the manager throughout the whole season but I don't think that's the case or we'd have lost 4 or 5 nil. I think they just lacked the fight for whatever reason. I can accept losing 2-0 but not going 2-0 down so early on without showing any fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournered Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Agree - but what does that tell you ((Other than the players deserve a rocket up,their arse) They certainly aren't performing for him - rightly / wrongly and for whatever reason, with only 6 of his 20 odd signings starting again today Hes already discarded a large proportion of the squad as he can't trust them and today we get that - I'd guess there's probably about four that he can trust in by now which in a eleven a side game is a bit of a problem Whatever the reason he certainly get a tune out of these players for 90 mins (Huddersfield aside) let alone a run of games Professional footballers will grab any excuse to provide reason for poor individual performance and I'm afraid it appears LJ is , rightly or wrongly theirs Inexcusable on their part but you have to get to the root of the problem Perhaps Pembo had sneaked back in today ? - He was the latest excuse for the LJ believers Not his fault today was it !!! Something seriously wrong at the club right now It tells me every game is different and how important it is to get the first goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Just now, JHAGa said: I wouldn't say there's been an evident game where the players haven't performed for the manager. Fulham and Brighton outclassed us but only beat us by two goals. Compare it to past managers that have been sacked here and usually you can see if players have lost all confidence in the manager as they will completely collapse and get hammered. Today was probably the closest you could see to them not playing for the manager throughout the whole season but I don't think that's the case or we'd have lost 4 or 5 nil. I think they just lacked the fight for whatever reason. I can accept losing 2-0 but not going 2-0 down so early on without showing any fight. That wasn't the question - it was asking for an example of a performance that they 'are playing for him' Not a guess / believed theta there is insufficient evidence that they arnt People can cry bullshit all they like but I've been around long enough to see when players aren't busting a gut and ours have been anonymous on the whole for months Personally Imdont think they're playing for him and more worryingly spirit doesn't even appear to be good enough between them to do it for each other Did you see their 'efforts' in the Fulham game for example ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Come on the Huddersfield result was just one of those random things that football throws up every now and then! we have been absolute dire crap most of the season did people really think things would have changed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Just now, winterbournered said: It tells me every game is different What a insightful answer and how important it is to get the first goal! Or even the first two ......or three even - that should nail it eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, petehinton said: Convenient how the players step up for a game where their pals and peers can watch on national TV for them to get into bed after the match to be told by twitter they were "on flames" or "played sick mate" Fade back into Saturday 3pm mode and get wiped clean by a club who are made up of Fulham and Chelsea fans But if that's the case, and I don't disagree that it might be, should the players not be taking a lot more of a share of the blame than they have been? Of course, they may not like or believe in the manager, but surely professional pride and reputation should kick in at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Northern Red said: But if that's the case, and I don't disagree that it might be, should the players not be taking a lot more of a share of the blame than they have been? Of course, they may not like or believe in the manager, but surely professional pride and reputation should kick in at some point? 100 per cent. With the exception of Tammy Abraham, if I was a Championship manager, I wouldn't take a single one of our players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 23 minutes ago, Northern Red said: But if that's the case, and I don't disagree that it might be, should the players not be taking a lot more of a share of the blame than they have been? Of course, they may not like or believe in the manager, but surely professional pride and reputation should kick in at some point? Yep. Out of all of our squad - I'd stick my neck out and say Fielding, Alby, Tammy, Maggy and maybe O'Dowda & potentially O'Neil are doing their best for the club. We've a lot of very selfish, self important players as a bulk of the club again. Last time that happened was the last time we went down under SOD. The double winning squad under Cotts would've held hands and run through walls for each other and this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: 100 per cent. With the exception of Tammy Abraham, if I was a Championship manager, I wouldn't take a single one of our players I'm not sure I'd necessarily go that far in terms of the number of players, but, as in any line of work, if you're a prospective employer and a potential new employee has been seen to down tools because they didn't like their previous manager, it's going to put you off isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 Worst bunch of players I've seen in years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournered Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: 100 per cent. With the exception of Tammy Abraham, if I was a Championship manager, I wouldn't take a single one of our players I'm guessing you wouldn't get far as a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, winterbournered said: I'm guessing you wouldn't get far as a manager. Who would you take then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 4 hours ago, JHAGa said: I wouldn't say there's been an evident game where the players haven't performed for the manager. Fulham and Brighton outclassed us but only beat us by two goals. Compare it to past managers that have been sacked here and usually you can see if players have lost all confidence in the manager as they will completely collapse and get hammered. Today was probably the closest you could see to them not playing for the manager throughout the whole season but I don't think that's the case or we'd have lost 4 or 5 nil. I think they just lacked the fight for whatever reason. I can accept losing 2-0 but not going 2-0 down so early on without showing any fight. It's because we are easy to beat, even the genius that is LJ admitted teams have to do very little to beat us, why put extra effort into beating a soft side, it's easy to spot when city are beaten and teams take their foot off of the pedal, we are basically as soft as LJ was as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Preston will be fascinating and could be important too. We have (rightly or wrongly) a very big squad so the manager has to leave out ( not necessarily 'fall out with') a dozen or so of our players. Opinions rightly differ amongst all our fans about which 11 should start in what formation. That's the beauty of football opinion but only one person can make that call and it's currently Lj. Most of us would have picked his starting 11 yesterday but as the team effort was so poor for 45 mins I would make changes for PNE; dropping Pack and Cotterell to the bench. We have not yet completed 2 seasons in the Championship and I think most of us would say Frankie, Smith, Joe, Flinty ( of our best back5?) are still learning their game at thus level. We either allow our 'double team' to develop from being League 1 standard or bin the lot. Providing we can just stay up, I for one am pleased to see them still here. If the new signings aren't good enough we will struggle as we have done for parts of this season. This coming summer will obviously be important but some of these 7 games are too; see you at Deepdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 9 hours ago, Hampshire Red said: Preston will be fascinating and could be important too. We have (rightly or wrongly) a very big squad so the manager has to leave out ( not necessarily 'fall out with') a dozen or so of our players. Opinions rightly differ amongst all our fans about which 11 should start in what formation. That's the beauty of football opinion but only one person can make that call and it's currently Lj. Most of us would have picked his starting 11 yesterday but as the team effort was so poor for 45 mins I would make changes for PNE; dropping Pack and Cotterell to the bench. We have not yet completed 2 seasons in the Championship and I think most of us would say Frankie, Smith, Joe, Flinty ( of our best back5?) are still learning their game at thus level. We either allow our 'double team' to develop from being League 1 standard or bin the lot. Providing we can just stay up, I for one am pleased to see them still here. If the new signings aren't good enough we will struggle as we have done for parts of this season. This coming summer will obviously be important but some of these 7 games are too; see you at Deepdale. Joe Bryan should be dropped for the rest of the season, he is a god awful full back and not and never will be fit for purpose in that position, whatever our idiot manager believes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa_bcfc Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Huddersfield performance and result was one of the once or twice a season flukes all teams have. We were crap v Wigan and crap yesterday that is our normal form and performance level. We're down better face up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted April 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 1 hour ago, aa_bcfc said: Huddersfield performance and result was one of the once or twice a season flukes all teams have. We were crap v Wigan and crap yesterday that is our normal form and performance level. We're down better face up to it. How often do teams at the bottom of the table beat teams at the top of the table 4-0 by fluke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 59 minutes ago, JHAGa said: How often do teams at the bottom of the table beat teams at the top of the table 4-0 by fluke? Well they hardly ever do it on form do they? Basic logic, I reckon Huddersfield was the fluke result rather than the shambles we saw yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted April 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 1 minute ago, RumRed said: Well they hardly ever do it on form do they? Basic logic, I reckon Huddersfield was the fluke result rather than the shambles we saw yesterday. Winning deservedly 4-0 against the in-form team in the division is some fluke! Players need to take more responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, JHAGa said: Winning deservedly 4-0 against the in-form team in the division is some fluke! Players need to take more responsibility. The question is why are they not? Who's job is it to make them? And a fluke can also be attributed to the fact that for some reason the players gave a shit, now what could that reason be I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 On 4/1/2017 at 13:39, JHAGa said: People constantly criticise LJ for tinkering with the team selection. He rightly keeps the same team that had deservedly hammered Huddersfield, we had lost 1 in 6 and were on the back of 2 successive wins. Players share as much responsiblity as he does for today. We know the system works. Go two goals down in 25 minutes and the game plan is out the window. I do have a lot of sympathy for the players were utter crap for 45 minutes yesterday, so they take a share of the blame theory. They do! But we are 39 games in the table does not lie and we are back in the managers own words to the drawing board! His drawing board and his ultimate responsibility to get his team to play! Ergo over 39 games it's him! Millions spent for this. Still maybe Engval will get a run soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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