are people really boycotting because of LJ?!!

[Son of Fred]

8 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yea let's stay away because we didn't storm the league we've never been out of and because we decided to go against the grain and keep a young manager. Yes he could've been sacked. He wasn't though and it's still been turned around. Now I'm seeing I might consider a half season ticket if he's gone or we are doing well. Support Chelsea or Man United if you expect to win every week. No amount of money or no person as coach will guarantee us success. The only thing we've got is the badge and if we can't support that when it's gets a bit rough, what's the point? We are customers whether you agree or not. It may not have been that way before but it is now and won't go away. Times change and not always for the better. So you either get over it and support or you leave. Either way SL and Bristol City will still be here. 20k plus at the last two home games is proof of that. You'd think we had the season Rotherham have had with some of the responses on here. 

I was like you once-You will understand come the year 2050..

[Bat Fastard]

1 hour ago, glos old boy said:

SL answers to no-one and will continue to do what he wants, what is the point in having a board? if his boy saves us from relegation.....not certain yet, how many really think we will do better next season without Abraham?

SL has surrounded himself with yes men who dance to his tune, his Bristol Sports dream is all and in my opinion he has taken some of our clubs id away and I think more will follow.

Yes nice stadium (if you like that sort of thing) but he has changed our club forever.....without asking its fans, and will certainly not be bothered what they think.

The point is old boy, that if the club needs a speedy £10m for some reason, the board cannot stump up that kind of cash - so they have to make a case to SL. Like any banker, he can look at the case and inverst or not. In case you haven't noticed, he always seems to say yes - and this has been remarked upon by virtually every manager that I can think of in recent times. We are very lucky to have him and his knowledge and influence.

[JoeAman08]

14 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

I was like you once-You will understand come the year 2050..

Fair enough haha. See NFL Philadelphia Eagles(my hometown) and their success in their history. I know the pain of. It succeeding year after year. Though at least they can't be relegated. 

[BS4 on Tour...]

8 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yea let's stay away because we didn't storm the league we've never been out of and because we decided to go against the grain and keep a young manager.....

Are you saying we've never been out of the championship?! I'm pretty sure you must know we have, loads of times!

Then again I may have mis-read your post because people say 'league' when they mean 'division' quite a lot...

But reading your post it certainly seems like you think we've never been out of the championship?!

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

16 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said:

I was like you once-You will understand come the year 2050..

Yup...I remember selling lottery tickets and doing the sponsored walk around the pitch, to raise money when we were on our arse. 

[Bat Fastard]

8 hours ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yea let's stay away because we didn't storm the league we've never been out of and because we decided to go against the grain and keep a young manager. Yes he could've been sacked. He wasn't though and it's still been turned around. Now I'm seeing I might consider a half season ticket if he's gone or we are doing well. Support Chelsea or Man United if you expect to win every week. No amount of money or no person as coach will guarantee us success. The only thing we've got is the badge and if we can't support that when it's gets a bit rough, what's the point? We are customers whether you agree or not. It may not have been that way before but it is now and won't go away. Times change and not always for the better. So you either get over it and support or you leave. Either way SL and Bristol City will still be here. 20k plus at the last two home games is proof of that. You'd think we had the season Rotherham have had with some of the responses on here. 

Of course Joe - you could have made a few helpful suggestions - maybe the club could do a quarter season ticket, so that the faithful could stop supporting more rapidly if the performances on the pitch "insulted" them? Or maybe a system of refunds if we lose?  Maybe some of the space in our splendid new stands could be given over to "recovery rooms" for fans traumatised by a rash LJ substitution? Maybe SL could buy all those loyal but non attending fans suits, so they could feel like board members?  We should be an inclusive club and be more sensitive to those long suffering fans who have had it with the uncertainties of league football - maybe it is all to exciting and dramatic for them? It just so happens that that is the very reason that I have been supporting for 50 years - but what the bloody hell do I understand - I am not that sensitive!

[SARJ]

11 hours ago, Robbored said:

Another fair weather "fan"............ 

Says the bloke who infamously drove Gas Heads to Wembley and bricked himself in front of Gary Johnson...

[Robbored]

Just now, SARJ said:

Says the bloke who infamously drove Gas Heads to Wembley and bricked himself in front of Gary Johnson...

Another unoriginal comment..........

Those tired jibes are so old they should be in a museum.......

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

7 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Fair enough haha. See NFL Philadelphia Eagles(my hometown) and their success in their history. I know the pain of. It succeeding year after year. Though at least they can't be relegated. 

But we're talking proper football mate, not Busby Berkeley productions in tights (panty hose).

[Kid in the Riot]

I think what all the happy-clappers are basically saying is we should all just "pay, pray and obey!"

Thou shall not criticise oh great leader Lansdown of Guernsey. He has done no wrong and he can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

2,500 renewals down on last season's total tells you everything you need to know about our loyal supporters views on the owner and his decision to keep LJ at the club for next season.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

Just now, Kid in the Riot said:

I think what all the happy-clappers are basically saying is we should all just "pay, pray and obey!"

Thou shall not criticise oh great leader Lansdown of Guernsey. He has done no wrong and he can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

2,500 renewals down on last season's total tells you everything you need to know about our loyal supporters views on the owner and his decision to keep LJ at the club for next season.

For shame.....you need re-education, regarding the bountiful fruits bestowed upon us by the Great Helmsman.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

Just now, cynic said:

Yeah, but its much worse now...

Well, there was no real expectation then.

[BobBobSuperBob]

5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Another unoriginal comment..........

Those tired jibes are so old they should be in a museum.......

How about the fan who changes his mind every two mins ?

Love Johnson > Johnson is clueless > Threats to physically assault Johnson > Johnson is promising > Johnson is ok

 

That sort of person can't even make their mind up let alone claim to be a 'truly loyal supporter'

 

Attention seeking WUM

[Pickle Rick]

11 hours ago, Tammys Scan said:

Why do you still use OTIB when nobody wants/likes you on here?

Do you think it's ok to use such hatred language toward somebody (I assume) you don't know?

I know it's off topic, but oh well.

Not everybody has an unwarranted hate towards other on a forum where not many people actually know a lot about eachother on a personal level. In fact, most don't.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

Just now, BobBobSuperBob said:

How about the fan who changes his mind every two mins ?

Love Johnson > Johnson is clueless > Threats to physically assault Johnson > Johnson is promising > Johnson is ok

 

That sort of person can't even make their mind up let alone claim to be a loyal supporter

When Robbo styled himself as the forum's agent provocateur, then he must expect pissy ripostes.

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

Do you think it's ok to use such hatred language toward somebody (I assume) you don't know?

I know it's off topic, but oh well.

Not everybody has an unwarranted hate towards other on a forum where not many people actually know a lot about eachother on a personal level. In fact, most don't.

"Hatred" seems to be the new "racism". Bandied around, until it loses all currency.

[Pickle Rick]

Just now, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

"Hatred" seems to be the new "racism". Bandied around, until it loses all currency.

Like "banter"?

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

Like "banter"?

Pretty much......I'd never heard of "banter" until a few years ago. It was just pisstaking/ being rude, when I was young.

[Robbored]

12 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Do you think it's ok to use such hatred language toward somebody (I assume) you don't know?

I know it's off topic, but oh well.

Not everybody has an unwarranted hate towards other on a forum

Water off a ducks back CH. All the jibes/insults are amateur.

In all the years I've been on here only once have I been hurt by a comment, in fact it was a series of comments by an individual who refused to reveal their true identity. 

They told me that they drank drank in the same place as me pre match but refused to approach me in the bar after I'd asked them to. 

Oh well......

 

[hoxton casual]

I really dont get this anger/frustration at SL and LJ over and above supporting the club we all profess to love. SL has put his heart and soul, and a lot of his money into supporting his and our club. He has made many mistakes and keeping with LJ may be perceived as one of them. He loves this club and he wants the best for it and its supporters, but at the end of the day he has to make a lot of difficult decisions, as he is the one investing the money. I believe he genuinely wants us to be a financially sound club long term that survives his involvement, and would stand aside if someone else had the funds and the best interests of us and the club at heart. I back this up with my frequent personal experiences, when he has always taken the time to talk to me and members of my family in the old Williams stand.

I would not be surprised if Chinese investors have not approached him, as we all know the fundamentals of a modern sports business investment are attractive. We are club with a sound (not large or small) base of support, in a very large and wealthy catchment area (less than one hours travell), that investors would be very interested in. Lets face it, the Chelsea supporting Jordanian did not buy Rovers due to his long term love of the club and its history! Most investors would see it as a way of making a profit and then we really would feel like customers!. We are very lucky that SL (and his family) are local and have the funds not to run our club not as a profit making enterprise. I am sure he agonised about LJ more than most of us, due to the size of his investment and that is what he was trying to say in his clumsy interview.

I do believe the management of the club has been a bit unimaginative and that whoever is our CEO keeps a low profile. JL tried to raise his profile and was the front man for the pillars, but seems to be scared to talk publicly due to all the banter and abuse.

So yes there are many things I have not been happy about, but at the end I firmly believe he has the interests of my family's and his family's club at heart, and whilst discussion and debate is the heart of being a fan, I trust that he tries to make the correct decisions.

Lets get behind the team and make AG a fortress for the next two games! I hope as many of you feel the same way as me, and to those who are boycotting I know you love our club, but feel very frustrated, but I hope you find a way to join us again at AG soon. CTID

[Unan]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Do you think it's ok to use such hatred language toward somebody (I assume) you don't know?

I know it's off topic, but oh well.

Not everybody has an unwarranted hate towards other on a forum where not many people actually know a lot about eachother on a personal level. In fact, most don't.

I'd normally agree but Robbored

[Bat Fastard]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I think what all the happy-clappers are basically saying is we should all just "pay, pray and obey!"

Thou shall not criticise oh great leader Lansdown of Guernsey. He has done no wrong and he can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

2,500 renewals down on last season's total tells you everything you need to know about our loyal supporters views on the owner and his decision to keep LJ at the club for next season.

That is a trifle insulting to us "happy clappers" who do have views and concerns but wouldn't let these get in the way of watching our football team because for some of us it is one of the most important elements in life.

Its fine to criticise with respect for the man who has single handedly established a wonderful platform for our club to advance. Great stadium, training ground, young squad building for the future and debt exchanged for equity.  If you cannot see the benefit in that you must be a socialist!

Our last two crowds have been 20k+ and the deadline to renew in the same seat is two days hence - I predict that there will be more renewals, which is strange because they will pay a higher price than if they had renewed earlier.  Our current form is pretty good, so those who are boycotting games are missing out on some great entertainment, which seems a trifle strange after they have endured the period of poor results. Hey ho!

[JoeAman08]

2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Are you saying we've never been out of the championship?! I'm pretty sure you must know we have, loads of times!

Then again I may have mis-read your post because people say 'league' when they mean 'division' quite a lot...

But reading your post it certainly seems like you think we've never been out of the championship?!

No I know we've been out of the championship. I use League and division as the same word but I concede it is confusing for many as you use them differently than I do. 

[JoeAman08]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I think what all the happy-clappers are basically saying is we should all just "pay, pray and obey!"

Thou shall not criticise oh great leader Lansdown of Guernsey. He has done no wrong and he can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

2,500 renewals down on last season's total tells you everything you need to know about our loyal supporters views on the owner and his decision to keep LJ at the club for next season.

You can do what you like. Criticise SL but I don't get the point of it. You either enjoy going and supporting the boys and the badge or you don't. Anything else is over complicating things. We are customers that's why we pay money to go. If you don't like the direction of the club don't watch. It's simple really. It's like criticising the director of a film you've seen because he cast someone you didn't see fit for the role. 

[JoeAman08]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting everyone's posts but they just seem petty to me. There was none of this talk in early October when we were top 6. All the talk about money we spent and our head coach and our academy set up was positive. Everything has now come into question purely based on some bad results on the pitch. It's an extremely competitive league and we got caught out by it. No team bar Rotherham is a bad one. I get criticism but to not go because we kept a manager, again seems petty to me. 

[Mtimmy11]

Just now, JoeAman08 said:

Maybe I'm misinterpreting everyone's posts but they just seem petty to me. There was none of this talk in early October when we were top 6. All the talk about money we spent and our head coach and our academy set up was positive. Everything has now come into question purely based on some bad results on the pitch. It's an extremely competitive league and we got caught out by it. No team bar Rotherham is a bad one. I get criticism but to not go because we kept a manager, again seems petty to me. 

that was 6months ago .why did he get caught out thats what hes paid for

[Red-Robbo]

I don't see the rows of empty seats that were present during SOD's amble towards L2.  As has been noted, we had healthy crowds at the last two home games and a very decent contingent made it all the way up in Blackburn.

I guess next season will be the clincher. There are a fair few not renewing STs - nowhere near a majority, but probably enough to be noticeable. IF by some chance, Johnson manages to get us off to a reasonable start, the POTDs will plug the gaps.

Success = seat sales, even if many don't like the manager or the owner.

[Nogbad the Bad]

13 hours ago, hoxton casual said:

To my recollection we have had only one truly impressive manager through our club and that was Tony Pulis. At the time I hated the guy and what he was doing to "my club". Now I have to admit he had what it took to manage football clubs without oodles of cash. He was extremely pragmatic and did whatever was necessary to get results and hang the popularity. So in short what do I know about managing professional football clubs. All I can do is suppor the team I love through thick and thin- painful as that often is with our history

You were right at the time, and the reasonable success Pulis has had elsewhere doesn't have any bearing on how awful he was at AG.

Impressive City managers are the likes of Dicks, JJ first time, and particularly Terry Cooper.

I'd say Pulis was singularly unimpressive at AG, but then you've also got the mumbling SO'D and the overly self aggrandised LJ.

I think most City fans can spot an unimpressive over trumpeted manager when they see one and LJ is most definitely in that category.

He'll be given extra time, extra support and extra funds because, despite being no more than an average L1 coach at best,we all know the owner is determined he WILL succeed. 

None of that will be enough in the end to hide his deficiencies though, and everything points to his tenure continuing to be a torturous fiasco ending in failure despite such unprecedented unwavering support from above.

[hoxton casual]

3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

You were right at the time, and the reasonable success Pulis has had elsewhere doesn't have any bearing on how awful his was at AG.

Impressive City managers are the likes of Dicks, JJ first time, and particularly Terry Cooper.

I'd say Pulis was singularly unimpressive at AG, but then you've also got the mumbling SO'D and the overly self aggrandised LJ.

I think most City fans can spot an unimpressive over trumpeted manager when they see one and LJ is most definitely in that category.

He'll be given extra time, extra support and extra funds because, despite being no more than an average L1 coach at best,we all know the owner is determined he WILL succeed. 

None of that will be enough in the end to hide his deficiencies though, and everything points to his tenure continuing to be a torturous fiasco ending in failure despite such unprecedented unwavering support from above.

Maybe once we have survived which is the priority, SL will look at again at who will best use his investment in our club?

[Odysseus]

14 hours ago, Tammys Scan said:Like fools, like a wallet, literally called customers. Our owner specifically calling us 'us' and him 'him', no we. Corporate bullshit left, right and centre. Dozens of lies from all levels of the club that've been contradicted in other interviews. 

I'm out getting boozy at the moment but I could carry on with a bit of thought.

As no one has asked yet I would like you to list the actual grienvicnes you're talking about? I'm worried you will be picking over semantics and not the real corruption we see at all the ex-prem clubs you want to Emulate.

Because the thing is no one really digs up the posing record of most people on here. Don't get me wrong, it's in your credit that you have 1000 or so posts to your profile as apposed to me, but how many people here can say their predications have been even mediocre?

Johnson didn't take us down this season and looks like he won't this season. That's already about 90% of posters wrong. The endless list of terrible replacements, team selection, the inconsistencies in the type of manager we want. 

Last of all of you've regularly referred to Johnson as a 'poisoned dwarf' or likewise abuse that is also something to be reflected on. 

[Natchfever]

14 hours ago, richwwtk said:

How exactly have WE been treated?

Board keep faith and support a manager through a sticky patch, and all of a sudden the entire club is the antichrist?

As he said, each to his own. That's ok I presume?

[BS4 on Tour...]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

No I know we've been out of the championship. I use League and division as the same word but I concede it is confusing for many as you use them differently than I do. 

Oh ok, so are you saying we should be grateful that we haven't been relegated into non-league? 

[lgbbcf]

there seems to be a lot of talk on here about not going to games and not renewing season tickets, of which i am sure people are. 

but the figures speak for themselves, we have had over 20,000 in the last two games we had over 3000 attend Blackburn and season tickets are being renewed with peoples seats being taken before they get to renew. 

im sure there are people boycotting but the stadium and figures don't seem to correlate with how many people on here are boycotting!  

 

 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

You can do what you like. Criticise SL but I don't get the point of it. You either enjoy going and supporting the boys and the badge or you don't. Anything else is over complicating things. We are customers that's why we pay money to go. If you don't like the direction of the club don't watch. It's simple really. It's like criticising the director of a film you've seen because he cast someone you didn't see fit for the role. 

That's exactly what I'm doing, Joe.

It's easy after a couple of wins for people to jump on those who have chosen to withdraw support as a principled stance against a pig-headed owner who is determined to persist with providing a job for his friend without a care for jeopardising the club's Championship status. Things can, and will turn again very quickly.

[BS4 on Tour...]

Just now, lgbbcf said:

there seems to be a lot of talk on here about not going to games and not renewing season tickets, of which i am sure people are. 

but the figures speak for themselves, we have had over 20,000 in the last two games we had over 3000 attend Blackburn and season tickets are being renewed with peoples seats being taken before they get to renew. 

im sure there are people boycotting but the stadium and figures don't seem to correlate with how many people on here are boycotting!  

 

 

Blimey, I know the gas round figures up, but how did you make 1,311 turn into 'over 3,000' ??!!!!

[Natchfever]

11 hours ago, john from high littleton said:

And yet people come on here and spout the same old crap every week. And read the same old rubbish.

The attention seekers should just boycott and be done with it. But no,  they feel they have to tell the world they're problems and sufferings. 

Anyone who's been a supporter of this club long enough,  knows we've had it far worse in the past. So I can only assume the attention seekers on here are either very young or immature adults! 

I would suggest some of the attention seeking is from posters putting up posts or comments which encourage a response that is negative.

Takes two to tango. Alternative is the ignore button, which if adopted across the board would make for some pretty boring threads!

[Nogbad the Bad]

3 minutes ago, lgbbcf said:

there seems to be a lot of talk on here about not going to games and not renewing season tickets, of which i am sure people are. 

but the figures speak for themselves, we have had over 20,000 in the last two games we had over 3000 attend Blackburn and season tickets are being renewed with peoples seats being taken before they get to renew. 

im sure there are people boycotting but the stadium and figures don't seem to correlate with how many people on here are boycotting!  

 

 

You must be one of the last to realise/accept that the announced 'official attendance' figure does not take into account any non attending STH's.

That is the same for every match these days whether some fans are protesting or not.

If 2,000 fans were protesting by staying away the announced figure would be exactly the same as if they were there.

So, the figures do not, in this case speak for themselves.

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

You can do what you like. Criticise SL but I don't get the point of it. You either enjoy going and supporting the boys and the badge or you don't. Anything else is over complicating things. We are customers that's why we pay money to go. If you don't like the direction of the club don't watch. It's simple really. It's like criticising the director of a film you've seen because he cast someone you didn't see fit for the role. 

Umm. Yeah so why the criticism earlier about people who are choosing to do exactly that?

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, Tammys Scan said:

I'd normally agree but Robbored

Because you don't agree with my posts..........dear oh dear.......

That sad, really sad.

 

[Unan]

17 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Because you don't agree with my posts..........dear oh dear.......

That sad, really sad.

 

No, because everything you do, not the facts of your posts.

[Unan]

59 minutes ago, Odysseus said:

As no one has asked yet I would like you to list the actual grienvicnes you're talking about? I'm worried you will be picking over semantics and not the real corruption we see at all the ex-prem clubs you want to Emulate.

Because the thing is no one really digs up the posing record of most people on here. Don't get me wrong, it's in your credit that you have 1000 or so posts to your profile as apposed to me, but how many people here can say their predications have been even mediocre?

Johnson didn't take us down this season and looks like he won't this season. That's already about 90% of posters wrong. The endless list of terrible replacements, team selection, the inconsistencies in the type of manager we want. 

Last of all of you've regularly referred to Johnson as a 'poisoned dwarf' or likewise abuse that is also something to be reflected on. 

I'll do a list after work mate,

I've never called LJ abusive names either..

[Robbored]

7 minutes ago, Tammys Scan said:

No, because everything you do, not the facts of your posts.

Oh.......must be because I play bowls then.

[ChippenhamRed]

34 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

You must be one of the last to realise/accept that the announced 'official attendance' figure does not take into account any non attending STH's.

That is the same for every match these days whether some fans are protesting or not.

If 2,000 fans were protesting by staying away the announced figure would be exactly the same as if they were there.

So, the figures do not, in this case speak for themselves.

If 2,000 fans were protesting (a wildly excessive estimate in my opinion), then the attendance would still be over 18,000 - well in excess of our historical average over the last 20 years, despite the team struggling at the wrong end of the table.

I don't get the desperation to talk down our attendances this season.  Regardless of our problems on the pitch, off the pitch there are a number of success stories and our increasing average attendance is one of them.  Why pretend otherwise?

[richwwtk]

54 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

As he said, each to his own. That's ok I presume?

I merely asked him how WE had been treated.

[ChippenhamRed]

4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I think what all the happy-clappers are basically saying is we should all just "pay, pray and obey!"

Thou shall not criticise oh great leader Lansdown of Guernsey. He has done no wrong and he can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

2,500 renewals down on last season's total tells you everything you need to know about our loyal supporters views on the owner and his decision to keep LJ at the club for next season.

2,500 renewals down tells me that we haven't yet secured our Championship status and it's a long way to go until August.  Two equally influential factors that you negate to mention.

[Kid in the Riot]

36 minutes ago, cynic said:

I'm not sure about 3k at Blackburn but otherwise I agree 100% with what you say.

As you point out, there will be some "boycotting" games - but they will amount to around the same number as attended all those mass demonstrations in the ground... 

20k plus crowds is proof positive that the vast majority of supporters are actually supporting the club rather than the opposite. Some don't want to hear it and will hide behind myth and bluster, but thats the truth. This forum is not representative of the fan base - nowhere near it.

It's only not representative when it doesn't suit your argument.  Strikes me there's a good balance of supporters on here...young and old, ST holders and non-ST holders, exiles and locals etc.

16 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

2,500 renewals down tells me that we haven't yet secured our Championship status and it's a long way to go until August.  Two equally influential factors that you negate to mention.

Equally influential in your opinion. Speaking personally I will not renew no matter what division we are in, regrettably. 2,500 down should be cause for concern for Bristol Sport. I can't see us improving on last seasons total, in fact I see us falling well short. That's not good is it? And suggests there's a fair few fed up fans out there...

[ChippenhamRed]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

It's only not representative when it doesn't suit your argument.  Strikes me there's a good balance of supporters on here...young and old, ST holders and non-ST holders, exiles and locals etc.

Equally influential in your opinion. Speaking personally I will not renew no matter what division we are in, regrettably. 2,500 down should be cause for concern for Bristol Sport. I can't see us improving on last seasons total, in fact I see us falling well short. That's not good is it? And suggests there's a fair few fed up fans out there...

Whether it's equally influential or not, it still misrepresents the situation to blame the figure entirely on "supporters views on SL and his decision to keep LJ". There are other factors.

[hoxton casual]

5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

It's only not representative when it doesn't suit your argument.  Strikes me there's a good balance of supporters on here...young and old, ST holders and non-ST holders, exiles and locals etc.

Equally influential in your opinion. Speaking personally I will not renew no matter what division we are in, regrettably. 2,500 down should be cause for concern for Bristol Sport. I can't see us improving on last seasons total, in fact I see us falling well short. That's not good is it? And suggests there's a fair few fed up fans out there...

Hope that one day the situation improves so that you are back at AG as a ST holder, Kid in the Riot. COYR!

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Bat Fastard said:

The point is old boy, that if the club needs a speedy £10m for some reason, the board cannot stump up that kind of cash - so they have to make a case to SL. Like any banker, he can look at the case and inverst or not. In case you haven't noticed, he always seems to say yes - and this has been remarked upon by virtually every manager that I can think of in recent times. We are very lucky to have him and his knowledge and influence.

You mean if LJ needs more money to buy in even more players, not play them and/or loan them out, or if we need a few more suits to add even more management to SL`s empire? NO because the board would be concerned about the running of our club and kick those out that aren't doing what they are paid for.

What can our board actually do without running it past SL anyway? hire stewards?

[JoeAman08]

2 hours ago, Mtimmy11 said:

that was 6months ago .why did he get caught out thats what hes paid for

I'll never argue he should've stayed. He could've went and I would've said good choice but he hasn't and I don't see how it's productive to boycott when he's clearly going nowhere. That's my only point I am trying to make. 

[lgbbcf]

1 hour ago, cynic said:

I'm not sure about 3k at Blackburn but otherwise I agree 100% with what you say.

As you point out, there will be some "boycotting" games - but they will amount to around the same number as attended all those mass demonstrations in the ground... 

20k plus crowds is proof positive that the vast majority of supporters are actually supporting the club rather than the opposite. Some don't want to hear it and will hide behind myth and bluster, but thats the truth. This forum is not representative of the fan base - nowhere near it.

 

 

apologies yes 1311 to Blackburn 

[Kid in the Riot]

12 minutes ago, hoxton casual said:

Hope that one day the situation improves so that you are back at AG as a ST holder, Kid in the Riot. COYR!

Me too! 10+ years as an ST holder and 63/92 grounds clocked up...will miss it

[JoeAman08]

1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Oh ok, so are you saying we should be grateful that we haven't been relegated into non-league? 

I've had so many replies I don't know to which comment you're referring. I wouldn't say we should be grateful to be non league. I think we should be grateful we have an owner trying to stabilise the club for life after him and willing to make a loss year after year. I think his investment gives him the right to stick by his man and do what he thinks is right. 

[lgbbcf]

1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Blimey, I know the gas round figures up, but how did you make 1,311 turn into 'over 3,000' ??!!!!

yep sorry apologies but it was still a good turn out 1311 it was 

 

[JoeAman08]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

That's exactly what I'm doing, Joe.

It's easy after a couple of wins for people to jump on those who have chosen to withdraw support as a principled stance against a pig-headed owner who is determined to persist with providing a job for his friend without a care for jeopardising the club's Championship status. Things can, and will turn again very quickly.

I get that but I'm questioning leaving in the first place. It's been a rough season but not even close to one of the worst that I've seen around. We have an owner who's trying to do what's right so he stuck with a head coach struggling. I can't see how that is enough to lose supporters. It's your right to do as you please but it's not as if our club are in similar positions to say Blackpool or Charlton. It could be a lot worse. It could be a lot better but I think we have ag least a satisfactory club that deserve support when we aren't playing well. 

[JoeAman08]

1 hour ago, Loon plage said:

Umm. Yeah so why the criticism earlier about people who are choosing to do exactly that?

Because it's as simple as show up or not. People feel like if they aren't happy they can complain and get their way. It's not how sports work. There is no guarantee of success so if you don't like the product just don't show up. Complaining won't get you anywhere and not should it. 

[Nogbad the Bad]

20 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

If 2,000 fans were protesting (a wildly excessive estimate in my opinion), then the attendance would still be over 18,000 - well in excess of our historical average over the last 20 years, despite the team struggling at the wrong end of the table.

I don't get the desperation to talk down our attendances this season.  Regardless of our problems on the pitch, off the pitch there are a number of success stories and our increasing average attendance is one of them.  Why pretend otherwise?

Can't see I'm doing talking down attendances, simply pointing out to someone - who might not be aware - that the official attendance given out is not the number of fans in the ground, and is therefore not something that can be be put forward as an argument when we're discussing ST holders staying away out of protest.

You could say the more apparent desperation here is by those determined to talk UP attendances by taking no account of those who don't actually turn up, especially those who do so while being well aware that the official figure bears no relation to the number actually in the ground.

 

 

 

 

[Kid in the Riot]

17 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

I get that but I'm questioning leaving in the first place. It's been a rough season but not even close to one of the worst that I've seen around. We have an owner who's trying to do what's right so he stuck with a head coach struggling. I can't see how that is enough to lose supporters. It's your right to do as you please but it's not as if our club are in similar positions to say Blackpool or Charlton. It could be a lot worse. It could be a lot better but I think we have ag least a satisfactory club that deserve support when we aren't playing well. 

But he isn't doing what's right by the club and that is my main problem. He's doing what he thinks is right by his and his son's friend. Not the club. Even if, against all the evidence, he is right about LJ in the future; he's still done it for the wrong reasons, in my humble opinion. If LJ does eventually succeed it will be because he has had the backing and investment that no other BCFC manager has ever had.

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, richwwtk said:

I merely asked him how WE had been treated.

Fair enough Rich sorry.

[Rob k]

1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

But he isn't doing what's right by the club and that is my main problem. He's doing what he thinks is right by his and his son's friend. Not the club. Even if, against all the evidence, he is right about LJ in the future; he's still done it for the wrong reasons, in my humble opinion. If LJ does eventually succeed it will be because he has had the backing and investment that no other BCFC manager has ever had.

Other managers were backed but they went after the wrong players, 9m bids were put in for 2 players last season plus our transfer record broken for kodjia 

[Bat Fastard]

45 minutes ago, glos old boy said:

You mean if LJ needs more money to buy in even more players, not play them and/or loan them out, or if we need a few more suits to add even more management to SL`s empire? NO because the board would be concerned about the running of our club and kick those out that aren't doing what they are paid for.

What can our board actually do without running it past SL anyway? hire stewards?

It cannot be surprising that the board members hav e other jobs as well as being on the Bristol Sports/ City board.  The day to day running of the club will be carried out by senior employees and their staff, guided by the board, who will have their guidance from SL. As others have said, if you had invested £100m+ into a venture, and with the open ended prospect of further funds being required, would not you wish to keep an eye on your investment and take an owners interest in what is happening?

I would expect middle managers to hire stewards.

[Natchfever]

29 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Because it's as simple as show up or not. People feel like if they aren't happy they can complain and get their way. It's not how sports work. There is no guarantee of success so if you don't like the product just don't show up. Complaining won't get you anywhere and not should it. 

I've not been aware of demonstrations to get "their way" despite keyboard talk to that effect. People appear to be simply staying away which is everyones perogative.

With respect,I don't need a relative newbie to tell me there is no guarantee of success at Bristol ******* City either.

Saying complaining gets you nowhere and nor should it...really? .Even many in the pro LJ camp would surely agree that if you aren't happy with the way the club is being run you have the right to complain, whether the club listens or not, or whether other fans agree or not.

If you consider negative comments on a forum as complaining and therefore unwelcome we may as well shut this ******* thing down.

[hoxton casual]

13 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

But he isn't doing what's right by the club and that is my main problem. He's doing what he thinks is right by his and his son's friend. Not the club. Even if, against all the evidence, he is right about LJ in the future; he's still done it for the wrong reasons, in my humble opinion. If LJ does eventually succeed it will be because he has had the backing and investment that no other BCFC manager has ever had.

Do you really believe he would risk his massive investment and the club, and the wrath of some of the fans, because LJ is friend's with this son? I would be amazed to find that is true. I truly believe that he is doing what he thinks is best for the long term interests of the club. I struggle to understand any other motivation, and it must be very frstrating for him to have such accusations levelled after all he has done for the club. Of course I could be wrong, but your reasoning just does not seem to add up to me. 

[Guest JHAGa]

14 hours ago, clerk said:

Any true City fan would want the Poison Dwarf sacked. Worst manager in the club's history (fact).

Why would anybody continue to support him financially or verbally on here? That's a dog move. Stabbing your own club in the back.

 

Guided us to 18th last season and we are currently 18th in the table. In the Championship. Pretty standard for us. I recall us finishing higher than that... three times in two decades?  He has a 36% win ratio, all at Championship level, so he is far, far from being the worst manager in our history.

 

You're talking nonsense and have also resorted to pathetic childish insults.

 

LJ did a great job from February to October, from November to February we went through a torrid run but we have picked up again since. This is his first full season managing at this level, there were bound to be bumps in the road. The lows of this season were real lows but that doesn't undo all the good work he did before and after. He's done a fantastic job recovering from the low point, along with the players and the rest of the coaching staff.

 

People like yourself are the sad ones who can't let a bad run of form go, even when it was months ago now. Get over yourself. As for your last sentence, well... surely you're a WUM.

 

A small minority of people are boycotting but most City fans are getting behind the team and management like normal.

[JoeAman08]

21 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

But he isn't doing what's right by the club and that is my main problem. He's doing what he thinks is right by his and his son's friend. Not the club. Even if, against all the evidence, he is right about LJ in the future; he's still done it for the wrong reasons, in my humble opinion. If LJ does eventually succeed it will be because he has had the backing and investment that no other BCFC manager has ever had.

I don't want to get in a big debate about it. You're entitled to your opinion and me mine. I just don't look at it that way. I don't see how SL can guarantee doing things the right way. He can only do what he thinks best and he's the one in that position. That's how I see it anyway. You see it differently and that is fine as well. 

[JoeAman08]

6 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

I've not been aware of demonstrations to get "their way" despite keyboard talk to that effect. People appear to be simply staying away which is everyones perogative.

With respect,I don't need a relative newbie to tell me there is no guarantee of success at Bristol ******* City either.

Saying complaining gets you nowhere and nor should it...really? .Even many in the pro LJ camp would surely agree that if you aren't happy with the way the club is being run you have the right to complain, whether the club listens or not, or whether other fans agree or not.

If you consider negative comments on a forum as complaining and therefore unwelcome we may as well shut this ******* thing down.

Don't know how long I've supported comes into play. You've been a fan longer so you have more say? No and that's the problem here. It's sports and there is no guarantee to be good for any amount of time over any period of time. People think they have some right to have a say in the manager or owner because they've supported for 30 years or whatever. It has nothing to do with anything going on. One man makes decisions and you either live with them or don't. It's as simple as that. It seems people complaining or threatening not to show will have some effect on Bristol City but it won't. You or I don't have a say in it. You get two choices and they are support or don't. There is no in between but people seem to think there is. 

[054123]

16 hours ago, Robbored said:

I could never boycott any game because I'm a truly loyal City fan.

 

Sometimes you're worse than Holloway you pantomime villain you!

[Rich_s]

18 hours ago, Tammys Scan said:

I am, for this season anyway, and I haven't renewed. I'm unhappy with how WE've been treated. I'm unhappy with our club at the moment, most certainly not just the happenings of the on pitch scenario. I'm taking a break for now, which is easier done when we've been playing poorly.

I'll be back, of course, I still go on OTIB a dozen times a day & do everything I did before. I just, genuinely, do not want to be at Ashton Gate right now. I'm not a 'hater' and not a 'glory hunter', I'm 'CTID' but that doesn't mean I have to follow the 'super fans' does it? Each to their own I guess.

My sentiment exactly. If LJ is SL experiment/project then he can do it with his money not mine. Nothing against LJ at all and hope he succeeds but I just don't think he will. 

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

16 hours ago, Robbored said:

Nor could I. 

In one way I'm married to the club and "in sickness and in health" sum up my feeling.

I could never boycott any game because I'm a truly loyal City fan.

 

Don't the saggies like to describe themselves as "loyal and true"? (And prowed, obviously)

[Natchfever]

20 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Don't know how long I've supported comes into play. You've been a fan longer so you have more say? No and that's the problem here. It's sports and there is no guarantee to be good for any amount of time over any period of time. People think they have some right to have a say in the manager or owner because they've supported for 30 years or whatever. It has nothing to do with anything going on. One man makes decisions and you either live with them or don't. It's as simple as that. It seems people complaining or threatening not to show will have some effect on Bristol City but it won't. You or I don't have a say in it. You get two choices and they are support or don't. There is no in between but people seem to think there is. 

I have been a fan of Bristol City longer so I do not need you telling me there are no guarantees in sport because a longer standing city fan is well aware of what a cluster **** we have been for long periods of our history. What don't you understand by that statement.? That doesn't mean a newer fan is as "good" a fan as anyone else, just that I don't want you stating the ******* obvious.

This thread started by questioning whether people are not going because of Johnson. Some posters confirmed that fact. You then choose to lecture grown ups over the futility of it all  .

Patronising or what? People are well aware of their choices they don't need you to spell it out.