Flagon Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 I can't remember now which teams in the current Championship have not been in the Premier League? Who do you feel is most likely to get there first out of those teams? I think despite a really disappointing first two seasons back after our brilliant promotion season we are close to having right infrastructure to make a go of not just getting there but building on it once there. I would be surprised if we made it this coming season but would be equally surprised if we falter again. I'm anticipating a more comfortable ride this season, maybe with some moments of...."could we actually do this?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 Looking at the list of teams, I think the 'have nots' are: Bristol City Brentford Burton Albion Millwall Preston Out of those there's no doubt we are the best equipped to make it happen. But the gap seems to be widening year on year between those who have been in the PL in recent seasons and those who haven't. I'd take a comfortable mid table, not looking over our shoulder nervously all season. Genuine consolidation. Then a big push in the subsequent 2 or 3 seasons - like Brighton - to build on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagon Posted June 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Looking at the list of teams, I think the 'have nots' are: Bristol City Brentford Burton Albion Millwall Preston Out of those there's no doubt we are the best equipped to make it happen. But the gap seems to be widening year on year between those who have been in the PL in recent seasons and those who haven't. Yeah this my worry. The money is astronomical. Thankfully I do think we are getting closer as a club overall though to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 3 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: Looking at the list of teams, I think the 'have nots' are: Bristol City Brentford Burton Albion Millwall Preston Out of those there's no doubt we are the best equipped to make it happen. But the gap seems to be widening year on year between those who have been in the PL in recent seasons and those who haven't. I'd take a comfortable mid table, not looking over our shoulder nervously all season. Genuine consolidation. Then a big push in the subsequent 2 or 3 seasons - like Brighton - to build on it. 'best equipped' we may be, but I'd have money on Brentford and Preston doing it before us, as things stand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Woodsy said: 'best equipped' we may be, but I'd have money on Brentford and Preston doing it before us, as things stand I admire the way PNE have adapted but can't see them having the bite to push on into top six. Certainly wouldn't mind being proven wrong though, proper good club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 24 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: I admire the way PNE have adapted but can't see them having the bite to push on into top six. Certainly wouldn't mind being proven wrong though, proper good club. Two well run clubs, punching above their weight Oh, how I wish that could be us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Woodsy said: Two well run clubs, punching above their weight Oh, how I wish that could be us! To be fair I don't think we're as badly run as people like to suggest. We don't get things right all the time but I think there's a lot of good work done that doesn't get picked up on. I don't think we really do any more wrong than the majority of 'smaller' clubs trying to compete against the financial clout of the PL casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: To be fair I don't think we're as badly run as people like to suggest. We don't get things right all the time but I think there's a lot of good work done that doesn't get picked up on. I don't think we really do any more wrong than the majority of 'smaller' clubs trying to compete against the financial clout of the PL casualties. Doesn't read well - I wasn't saying I thought we were badly run at all, because I don't think we are More the punching above the weight part I'd like to improve on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: To be fair I don't think we're as badly run as people like to suggest. We don't get things right all the time but I think there's a lot of good work done that doesn't get picked up on. I don't think we really do any more wrong than the majority of 'smaller' clubs trying to compete against the financial clout of the PL casualties. much better then 4 years ago thats for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Woodsy said: Doesn't read well - I wasn't saying I thought we were badly run at all, because I don't think we are More the punching above the weight part I'd like to improve on! Ha yeah that'd be nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 This is where I disagree with some of you on here. I don't think we're any closer to the Premier League than we were ten years ago. We've improved a lot since then, but so has everyone else, and there are plenty of sides above us that deserve it over us. My main criticism of the club is that we're not earning enough to spend what we need to succeed. It shows when one of the most common quotes in the transfer thread on this forum is "their wages are too high". Out of the list of clubs that haven't made it to the Premier League, I think Millwall will ultimately overtake us unless our fortunes improve in the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Woodsy said: Two well run clubs, punching above their weight Oh, how I wish that could be us! 1 hour ago, Woodsy said: Doesn't read well - I wasn't saying I thought we were badly run at all, because I don't think we are More the punching above the weight part I'd like to improve on! Putting an extremely positive slant on things, we technically are. Last summer I worked out our average position through our entire history. The result was (roughly) the 42nd best in the country, or 22nd in the Championship. So technically we are (just barely) punching above our weight in that we have finished above our historical average for the last 2 seasons. Of course, I'd prefer if we were doing even better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Orns Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Putting an extremely positive slant on things, we technically are. Last summer I worked out our average position through our entire history. The result was (roughly) the 42nd best in the country, or 22nd in the Championship. So technically we are (just barely) punching above our weight in that we have finished above our historical average for the last 2 seasons. Of course, I'd prefer if we were doing even better! Ha - well, that's me put right then! What is one step up from 'punching above your weight'? Because that is my new target Doesn't surprise me, in the big scheme of things I would say we are at best bottom half Championship, at worst, bottom third. 22nd sounds like all of our nightmares though.... And I like positive slants, more of those, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 21, 2017 Report Share Posted June 21, 2017 4 hours ago, EnderMB said: This is where I disagree with some of you on here. I don't think we're any closer to the Premier League than we were ten years ago. We've improved a lot since then, but so has everyone else, and there are plenty of sides above us that deserve it over us. My main criticism of the club is that we're not earning enough to spend what we need to succeed. It shows when one of the most common quotes in the transfer thread on this forum is "their wages are too high". Out of the list of clubs that haven't made it to the Premier League, I think Millwall will ultimately overtake us unless our fortunes improve in the short term. How will millwall overtake us, they don't get the crowds and have no where near as good facilities as us, they don't have the backing to improve it ether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 City top, Burton second and Preston through the play offs... Lovely jubbly .. Then I woke up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 14 hours ago, Monkeh said: How will millwall overtake us, they don't get the crowds and have no where near as good facilities as us, they don't have the backing to improve it ether We're a long way from being considered a top Championship team, while Millwall are a London side and are more attractive to outside investment. All it takes is one season of shit, and our attendances to plummet in League 1, and we're no better than them. Our facilities are better right now, but our board has a history of mismanagement and fighting relegation. They gambled our Championship future by not backing Cotterill, and by backing LJ when many clubs wouldn't have. Whether it was the right or wrong decision is all in hindsight, but we'll need to see an improvement this season if we're to remain at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 If you are basing the judgement on historical results and positions, I would imagine Preston are punching below their weight rather than above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Getting to the Premier League still seems quite a distant dream after flirting with relegation for the past two seasons. In our favour we have better facilities at AG and improved attendances, so there is the sense that something is building - we just need that sense of progression on the pitch. A decent mid-table finish with an outside chance of sneaking into the play-offs (a bit like the season Preston have just had), or at least not battling against the drop, would certainly be a move in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 6 hours ago, EnderMB said: We're a long way from being considered a top Championship team, while Millwall are a London side and are more attractive to outside investment. All it takes is one season of shit, and our attendances to plummet in League 1, and we're no better than them. Our facilities are better right now, but our board has a history of mismanagement and fighting relegation. They gambled our Championship future by not backing Cotterill, and by backing LJ when many clubs wouldn't have. Whether it was the right or wrong decision is all in hindsight, but we'll need to see an improvement this season if we're to remain at this level. Well we survived for two seasons in a row so the decision was a correct decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 The frustrating thing is if we had a couple of years in the prem, we also would be a big club. It's just taking that step that's the hard part. I am fully confident if we reached such heights we would easily get 30k through the door. Even 35k for the bigger games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccolo Posted June 24, 2017 Report Share Posted June 24, 2017 This is an interesting conversation at the moment for us Millwall fans. The club are trying to develop some of the land we currently lease from Lewisham Borough council. They (LBC) have looked to sell it to a developer. Either way, it will change the outlook of the club massively. Now, MFC have made a bit of a song and dance about it forcing us to move if we lose our car park and community centre. However, this is probably power playing. If Millwall get to develop the land it will put us in a very stronge position financially. If the area is redeveloped by a property developer that puts Millwall FC bang in the middle of a regenerated area of inner city London. I could see us being an attractive proposition to investors then - a kind of mini Chelsea. Lest us not forget that Chelsea had an awful rep in the 80s and crowds had dropped to 8,000 - before you sneer too much. You can avtually see the Shard, Canary Wharf & the O2 from the ground - having a inner city football club to build up might be an attractive play thing for a foreign billionaire. Especially as the ground is only 4 mins from the huge hub that is London Bridge, has an overground station literally on top of the ground & will have a new tube stop outside the Cold Blow Lane End as part of the regen. The ground is within easy commuting of circa 4 million people. Before the docks closed Millwall used to get gates of 30-45,000 for 2nd & 3rd division football - so the area can support a big club. In fact the London boroughs of Southwark and Lewisham, which the ground stradles, would be some of the biggest cities in the UK if seperate from London. Perhaps that's all pie in the sky though & Im being silly - which I dont mind, as I quite like us being that knock about club from just off the Old Kent Road anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 8 hours ago, Piccolo said: This is an interesting conversation at the moment for us Millwall fans. The club are trying to develop some of the land we currently lease from Lewisham Borough council. They (LBC) have looked to sell it to a developer. Either way, it will change the outlook of the club massively. Now, MFC have made a bit of a song and dance about it forcing us to move if we lose our car park and community centre. However, this is probably power playing. If Millwall get to develop the land it will put us in a very stronge position financially. If the area is redeveloped by a property developer that puts Millwall FC bang in the middle of a regenerated area of inner city London. I could see us being an attractive proposition to investors then - a kind of mini Chelsea. Lest us not forget that Chelsea had an awful rep in the 80s and crowds had dropped to 8,000 - before you sneer too much. You can avtually see the Shard, Canary Wharf & the O2 from the ground - having a inner city football club to build up might be an attractive play thing for a foreign billionaire. Especially as the ground is only 4 mins from the huge hub that is London Bridge, has an overground station literally on top of the ground & will have a new tube stop outside the Cold Blow Lane End as part of the regen. The ground is within easy commuting of circa 4 million people. Before the docks closed Millwall used to get gates of 30-45,000 for 2nd & 3rd division football - so the area can support a big club. In fact the London boroughs of Southwark and Lewisham, which the ground stradles, would be some of the biggest cities in the UK if seperate from London. Perhaps that's all pie in the sky though & Im being silly - which I dont mind, as I quite like us being that knock about club from just off the Old Kent Road anyway. Welcome aboard, and back to the Championship, and thanks for an interesting post. I have been following Barney Ronay's excellent coverage in the Guardian of the shady dealings going on that have threatened your club. Best of luck in winning the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted June 25, 2017 Report Share Posted June 25, 2017 Yes, think we can go to pl. Maybe 5 or 10 years. If not, still City for me. Alla vill till himmelen men ingen vill dö. A Nice swedish song. Everyone wants to heaven but no one will die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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