cidercity1987 Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 The equivalent of saving a penalty to keep the score at 4-0 instead of 5-0 but it seems to mean so much more in test cricket, great work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Emotionally drained after that. What a field and got to see Cunmins ball that got wood, one of the best ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Joe Root just said Jos is going home due to injury. I hate to say it but we won`t miss him, he`s so out of form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Emotionally drained after that. What a field and got to see Cunmins ball that got wood, one of the best ever Ooooh! Matron! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: The equivalent of saving a penalty to keep the score at 4-0 instead of 5-0 but it seems to mean so much more in test cricket, great work. It`s a lot about getting some pride back - we could quite easily have chucked in the towel at seven down with 20(?) overs left but we didn`t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Assuming Stokes doesn’t play in Hobart, that’s a huge blow which comes just as his form with the bat has returned. Great to see a bit of fight at long last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 46 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: The equivalent of saving a penalty to keep the score at 4-0 instead of 5-0 but it seems to mean so much more in test cricket, great work. I would say it’s more the equivalent of losing to Bristol rovers for the last 3 times we’ve faced them and then scoring a last minute equaliser to draw and stop to rot 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 Burns to come back in and open. Stokes shouldn’t play but probably will and bat only. Billings to make his debut for Jos. Pink ball so Jimmy will probably play again. Maybe Robinson will come in for Leach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelboy Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Joe Root just said Jos is going home due to injury. I hate to say it but we won`t miss him, he`s so out of form. Pleased with that. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the red ball team anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, super slick said: Pleased with that. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the red ball team anyway. It’s a bad injury apparently. Hopefully you aren’t pleased about that bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 If Stokes is even slightly fit he'll play as a batsman. Similarly you'd like to think Bairstow should be okay but it might involve Pope or Billings keeping. Hameed will probably drop out for Burns. Personally I wouldn't bother, if Burns wasn't the solution 2 Tests ago then he isn't now just because Hameed is out of form. Let Hameed have this game then change it for the Windies tour if he fails again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, Northern Red said: If Stokes is even slightly fit he'll play as a batsman. Similarly you'd like to think Bairstow should be okay but it might involve Pope or Billings keeping. Hameed will probably drop out for Burns. Personally I wouldn't bother, if Burns wasn't the solution 2 Tests ago then he isn't now just because Hameed is out of form. Let Hameed have this game then change it for the Windies tour if he fails again. It is not that Hameed is out of form He is just not test level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: It is not that Hameed is out of form He is just not test level Maybe he isn't. The point is that I don't see what recalling Burns would achieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said: It is not that Hameed is out of form He is just not test level Yet. Still very young 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Northern Red said: If Stokes is even slightly fit he'll play as a batsman. Similarly you'd like to think Bairstow should be okay but it might involve Pope or Billings keeping. Hameed will probably drop out for Burns. Personally I wouldn't bother, if Burns wasn't the solution 2 Tests ago then he isn't now just because Hameed is out of form. Let Hameed have this game then change it for the Windies tour if he fails again. Hameed should get a run opening until the end of the Windies tour IMO. His low-hands technique, which is ideal for the sub-continent, has been exposed on the bouncy pitches in Australia. But we can’t keep chopping and changing when we don’t have a plethora of options. I actually think Hameed has generally looked OK but has but got some really good deliveries. He and Crawley, until Yates emerges at least, could be the future IMO so why drop him when he might get that big score to reignite his Test career like Crawley did in Sydney? I can see us risking playing Stokes as a batsman with the Windies tour around the corner, which is annoying when he’s found form. Edited January 9, 2022 by tin To add Stokes opinion 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 9, 2022 Report Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Northern Red said: Maybe he isn't. The point is that I don't see what recalling Burns would achieve. Especially when Burns a) hasn’t played any cricket since being dropped, and b) looks a bigger rabbit than Hameed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 22 hours ago, Maltshoveller said: It is not that Hameed is out of form He is just not test level Burns certainly is not. Hameed will come good eventually.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 23 hours ago, Northern Red said: Maybe he isn't. The point is that I don't see what recalling Burns would achieve. Agree with you that Burns is not the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 23 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Yet. Still very young Old enough to have had a decent technique coached into him If he hasnt got one now Cant see him ever getting one Same goes with Burns and a fair few others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, The Bard said: Burns certainly is not. Hameed will come good eventually.. Agree with you about Burns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 20 hours ago, TomF said: I said same about Bell in 2005 There was never a problem with Bells technique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Maltshoveller said: Old enough to have had a decent technique coached into him If he hasnt got one now Cant see him ever getting one Same goes with Burns and a fair few others And Steve Smith? Technique isn’t everything. Alastair Cook had about 3 scoring shots but knew when to leave a ball, saw it well and had the temperament 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, And Its Smith said: And Steve Smith? Technique isn’t everything. Alastair Cook had about 3 scoring shots but knew when to leave a ball, saw it well and had the temperament Spot on. While we're talking Cook, one of the reasons he did so well Down Under is because his technique was heavily based on the back foot and so the cut and pull shots came into the equation on the bouncier pitches. Flower made Cook tweak his technique in India in 2012. I don't have faith the likes of Silverwood or Lewis could help Hameed in the same way. Hameed's technique is pretty sound, certainly by modern standards. He's just got some good deliveries and been undone by the bounce. I wouldn't write him off from scoring runs in the Windies or next summer. Edited January 11, 2022 by tin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, tin said: Spot on. While we're talking Cook, one of the reasons he did so well Down Under is because his technique was heavily based on the back foot and so the cut and pull shots came into the equation on the bouncier pitches. Flower made Cook tweak his technique in India in 2012. I don't have faith the likes of Silverwood or Lewis could help Hameed in the same way. Hameed's technique is pretty sound, certainly by modern standards. He's just got some good deliveries and been undone by the bounce. I wouldn't write him off from scoring runs in the Windies or next summer. He went through that period at county level where he could barely score a run so it’s hard to know if it’s a confidence issue. A lot of grass roots coaching is front foot coaching. It’s amazing the lack of back foot coaching that happens. It tends to be the professional coaching, that is expensive (DFCA in Bristol) that will work on that aspect, and all aspects of a batters game. England definitely need to be looking at things other than averages and technique. Trescothick had neither when he was given his chance. Vaughan’s technique was okay but I don’t think he was piling on county runs when he got selected. Not saying it’s easy mind you. Someone like Nick Compton was discarded too early as well so I am a fan of really giving someone a proper chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: He went through that period at county level where he could barely score a run so it’s hard to know if it’s a confidence issue. Yeah, I know. But there's something admirable about the way he's fought through those bad times, left his home county and worked his way back into the England XI. That speaks of resilience to me. Even if there's no guarantee he'll recapture the form of his breakthrough in India, he's deserves more than an Ashes series in Australia, on pitches that don't suit him, against the best bowling attack in the world, especially when age is on his side and there's nobody else knocking on the door. A lot of grass roots coaching is front foot coaching. It’s amazing the lack of back foot coaching that happens. It tends to be the professional coaching, that is expensive (DFCA in Bristol) that will work on that aspect, and all aspects of a batters game. I agree about the lack of back-foot coaching, although I understand why when the pitches over here require batsmen to be on the front foot. Old Trafford is the only pitch in the country that you can expect a bit of bounce and carry. The dominance of low, slow pitches in the UK does little for the Test team. It's easy to see why the likes of Darren Masters continue to get 50 wickets a year bowling on those sorts of decks, and at helpful times of the year (for him). England definitely need to be looking at things other than averages and technique. Trescothick had neither when he was given his chance. Vaughan’s technique was okay but I don’t think he was piling on county runs when he got selected. Not saying it’s easy mind you. Someone like Nick Compton was discarded too early as well so I am a fan of really giving someone a proper chance Agreed. Vaughan averaged 41 in Tests (36 in the Championship), Tres was similar -- 44 in Tests (41 in CC); Collingwood's another (averaged 40 in Tests, 35 in CC). All of those were mentally strong batsmen, though. I'm not sure there are many of those around any more, possibly because of the money on offer from the shorter white-ball formats of the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 looks like an interesting pitch for the final test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 Another great test in SA. I know how everyone loves a stat! The 20 Indian wickets were all caught which apparently is a record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 52 minutes ago, Super said: Another great test in SA. I know how everyone loves a stat! The 20 Indian wickets were all caught which apparently is a record. It is a great Test, and the overturned LBW decision against Elgar could well prove pivotal - India's collective shoulders have certainly dropped. Two SA youngsters have played well again; the top order batsman Peterson and the fast bowler Jansen. Somerset need players in both positions; I wonder if they are being considered (or they would accept any contract offer were it to be made)? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 13, 2022 Report Share Posted January 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: It is a great Test, and the overturned LBW decision against Elgar could well prove pivotal - India's collective shoulders have certainly dropped. Two SA youngsters have played well again; the top order batsman Peterson and the fast bowler Jansen. Somerset need players in both positions; I wonder if they are being considered (or they would accept any contract offer were it to be made)? Hopefully. Both look very good. The low scoring tests are always the best. Edited January 13, 2022 by Super Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 14, 2022 Report Share Posted January 14, 2022 15 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: It is a great Test, and the overturned LBW decision against Elgar could well prove pivotal - India's collective shoulders have certainly dropped. Two SA youngsters have played well again; the top order batsman Peterson and the fast bowler Jansen. Somerset need players in both positions; I wonder if they are being considered (or they would accept any contract offer were it to be made)? SA are over here in the summer, so it's unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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