northsomersetred Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Son of Fred said: Being positive?? - great But you have to know when to put another hat on & hunker down. I'll bet Geoffrey is having kittens!! Gung ho brainless leadership would be how I'd describe our ashes so far. Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Good piece, with some interesting suggestions about what the management think of recent events, that go against some of the accusations being made by others: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/eng-vs-aus-2nd-ashes-test-freedom-leads-to-freefall-as-england-batters-abdicate-responsibility-1385153 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Good piece, with some interesting suggestions about what the management think of recent events, that go against some of the accusations being made by others: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/eng-vs-aus-2nd-ashes-test-freedom-leads-to-freefall-as-england-batters-abdicate-responsibility-1385153 Stokes said this team isn’t result focused and if we lose the ashes “oh well”. I think that shows his mindset. If he is saying that but doesn’t believe it then he’s naive if he thinks that’s a good thing to say Edited July 1, 2023 by And Its Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 How many runs will the Aussies want to be ahead? Doesnt look like any rain for the fonal two days. Will they bat England completely out or give them something to chase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: How many runs will the Aussies want to be ahead? Doesnt look like any rain for the fonal two days. Will they bat England completely out or give them something to chase? 450 minimum, depending on how quickly they get there. Lyon being out and the fact England have chased down some big totals in the last year or so probably adds a few more to their intended target. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 hours ago, And Its Smith said: From my point, I was never as high on Bazball as others seemed to be but then I loved test cricket anyway. 3 runs an over is fine for me. England were 1-0 up against NZ and gambled defeat for victory in a two test series. That doesn’t make sense to me and I was completely pissed off by it. Especially when it then transpired that part of the reason was they could fit in an extra game of golf before they flew home. Personally I don’t get how it’s exciting to gamble a series needlessly when they could have easily have just drawn the game. If a football manager chucked on a striker when winning with ten mins left there would be uproar if it went wrong. I see no difference. I was very worried that Bazball batting would result in what we are now seeing as the Aussies are so much better than the opposition we have beaten in the last year. Finally, I think a persons reaction is a lot down to how much they care about the result. For me, England winning the Ashes is more important than anything else in the sporting world so naturally I am going to care more about winning than how we win. When it comes to City I would rather be entertained than watch dire 1-0 wins. I’ve no issue with the approach in NZ or anywhere else up until this Test to be honest. The NZ ‘tour’ was not part of the Test championship and compared to the last NZ tour the entertainment value was 100x better (you’ll remember Root bowling Archer in to the ground at Mount Maunganui, BJ Watling scoring 193929 runs and Denly dropping the easiest catch at Hamilton). The Ashes though as you say is the most important and matters - I’m all for the attacking approach but surely the attacking thing to do when you are 180-1 against Aus is just duck and weave for 30 mins, they’ll get bored/tired and our dominance continues. Still room for a bit of old fashioned common sense surely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Am i being far too optimistic to suggest that i am confident that if we bowl them out around 350-365 that i think we will chase them down…….is it just me??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Stokes said this team isn’t result focused and if we lose the ashes “oh well”. I think that shows his mindset. If he is saying that but doesn’t believe it then he’s naive if he thinks that’s a good thing to say Wow. If this is what he genuinely feels then he's sadly the wrong choice. His body language yesterday certainly wasn't saying "oh well". I've nothing against a bit of aggression/being attack minded - although the ability to know when to throttle back is key to it's very success. Edited July 1, 2023 by Son of Fred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 Aussies out hooking in the space of 5 balls. England will probably get the blame for that too. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Northern Red said: 2 Aussies out hooking in the space of 5 balls. England will probably get the blame for that too. Slightly different. Aussies are chasing quick runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Anyone else quite like listening to Mark Taylor? Prefer him over Ponting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Its the hope that kills you. Another couple of quick wickets - chasing 350 - you never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Sorry to be a realist, but chasing 378 down against an India attack last year will be vastly different to chasing similar against Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins. I just can’t see it, especially with our long tail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, tin said: Sorry to be a realist, but chasing 378 down against an India attack last year will be vastly different to chasing similar against Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins. I just can’t see it, especially with our long tail. Yep. They already have enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Will Lyon be batting with a runner or do they just have 4 wickets left to defend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 16 minutes ago, Midred said: Will Lyon be batting with a runner or do they just have 4 wickets left to defend? Sky said earlier he wouldn't be batting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 They're showing us how to play bouncers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 This is grim to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 350 looks doable now if Lyon`s not batting. We can chase that down if we`re on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: 350 looks doable now if Lyon`s not batting. We can chase that down if we`re on it. I think they have too many, i can’t see it being chased down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 21 minutes ago, Rob k said: I think they have too many, i can’t see it being chased down My head says you`re right but we can hope! Plenty of time, play sensibly(!) and no Nathan Lyon gives me a bit of encouragement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 I hope Lyon doesn’t get hurt here with this short stuff being bowled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 1, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 What a waste of time Lyons coming out to bat, he can hardly move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Should just be firing yorkers into Lyon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Just now, Rob k said: I hope Lyon doesn’t get hurt here with this short stuff being bowled I thought they said he wasn`t going to bat? A bit rash from the Aussies if he does get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Poor Lyon, players laughing in the pavilion, like when someone gets hit in the nads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 1, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rob k said: I hope Lyon doesn’t get hurt here with this short stuff being bowled 2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: I thought they said he wasn`t going to bat? A bit rash from the Aussies if he does get hurt. Maybe just a little bump or two to guarantee his series is overy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Seems crazy really. And pretty pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 I’m not enjoying this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 1, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 In all seriousness this is not a good advert for cricket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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