Tomlin

[Ashtonwurzel]

Bradley Orr had his fair share of run ins with the law but I would have him "in the trenches" with me.

Tomlin on the other hand ..................

[steviestevieneville]

2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014163/Lee-Tomlin-called-police-officer-tramp-offered-BMW.html

a little research shows Tomlin isn't new to (a) Leicester nightlife, or (b) the criminal justice system!

although I accept you'll struggle to find a more minor offence!

Seeing as you're in the trade fordy. Do you think this would of only just come out ( been arrested) or happened directly after the incident . 

[Fordy62]

2 minutes ago, 29AR said:

I could be very wrong, but I don't think an arrest necessarily shows up. It's cautions, convictions that sort of thing. Right now, Tomlin is presumed innocent of course. 

I also don't know, but I suspect you're right. It might do on an advanced check (for working with children etc) but would football clubs go to those lengths, of at all? I wouldn't have thought so. 

[BobBobSuperBob]

Came across this article written by a journo , (who covers Middlesbrough ) when Tomlin joined us 

Thought it was quite a good short piece and the journo has LT on the button for me

LTs biggest enemy - his ego

( Apologies for the size of the copy n paste text - can't seem to adjust it)

 

The ‘Tomlinho Turn’ was a delicious moment of magic that will shape the folk memory for decades to come.

 

The mercurial, balletic wriggle that put Vincent Kompany on spin cycle and carved open the champions’ defence in Boro’s famous 2-0 FA Cup win at Manchester City was a brilliant teasing flash of the potential of Lee Tomlin.

 

 

It seemed to herald the arrival of a serious talent and was accompanied by a lot of hype.

 

But now Tomlin is at a club that just escaped the drop last season. How did that happen?

 

That majestic twist and shot will loom large when we look back in years to come at the playmaker - but the shot came back off the post. And while Kompany was left bamboozled, that much replayed display of audacious skill seemed to leave Tomlin seeing stars too.

 

Ex-Middlesbrough FC man Lee Tomlin is Bristol City record buy

The social media “bantz” with crest-fallen City stars, the rave reviews on national TV and the purring pundits predicting greatness seemed to have turned his head.

 

That moment won him the Championship player of the month gong when he wasn’t even the best at the club in that spell and while he still made a contribution and chipped in with some neat touches in the run-in he never reached those heady heights again.

 

As Boro faded in the final furlong, Tomlin looked a frustrated figure, missing the beat by a fraction and at times struggling with the tempo of the team. 

 

His head was turned again in the summer when a new agent persuaded him he deserved better, that he should be in the Premier League and the first cracks appeared in his relationships at the club.

 

Always stocky, he came back from the summer break looking as if he was carrying a bit of timber and he was sluggish in pre-season and with Aitor less than happy, the cracks became a fissure. 

 

His exit came quickly.

Too quickly. His hasty move to Bournemouth always seemed ill-advised and, well, odd. It was never a natural fit.

 

Eddie Howe’s high-tempo attacking style demanded constant movement and industry off the ball and while Tomlin had sublime skills there would be little time to use them.

 

It was very different from Boro’s more patient, probing passing that made his own interventions and touches to change direction and spark counters more likely to count.

 

The ill-fated switch quickly went sour. After five months and just 10 appearances, largely from the bench, his frustrations boiled over into a late night twitter rant at the boss and he was swiftly exiled on loan to struggling Bristol City.

 

He has done well there. He scored six in 18 and helped engineer a great escape from relegation. 

 

The fans love him. He is a new club record signing.

 

It will sit well with his ego.

It is a lovely city and a club on the up and most Boro fans would wish him success.

 

But it seems like he has slithered down a snake. 

 

A year ago his stock was high and he was at a club geared for promotion and opted to leave.

 

He moved to a top flight club that was a poor fit and never nailed down a place and then burned his bridges.

 

Now he is playing at a lower level. Although he is the main man.

He really needs to settle and make a success there or he may find his star waning.

 

 

[Fordy62]

2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Seeing as you're in the trade fordy. Do you think this would of only just come out ( been arrested) or happened directly after the incident . 

The press release would have been prepared when the charge was brought. So obviously it happened it January but they've only just come to the decision to charge. So this is fresh news. 

[Guest]

Just now, Fordy62 said:

I also don't know, but I suspect you're right. It might do on an advanced check (for working with children etc) but would football clubs go to those lengths, of at all? I wouldn't have thought so. 

My memory is extremely hazy, but I thought on an enhanced the force has discretion over disclosure. If he was going for a job as a doorman you'd think it would show up, footballer even working with kids, dunno. 

[Ashtonwurzel]

2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

I also don't know, but I suspect you're right. It might do on an advanced check (for working with children etc) but would football clubs go to those lengths, of at all? I wouldn't have thought so. 

As they would be sharing facilities with youth teams I would suggest all new employees should be subject to an enhanced DBS check. Only convictions would show up though as far as I know. That is why those checks are only of use if someone has been caught previously, it you have evading detection your DBS check would come back clear.

[BobBobSuperBob]

10 minutes ago, Ashtonwurzel said:

They would have known and were well aware of what they are taking on, it is a gamble but Warnock feels he can manage LT and get an overall positive from his signing.

Have my doubts, certainly in the medium to long term.

I think it's likely that Cardiff would have been aware and sought advice from counsel as regards to likely sentencing before they went ahead

 

If they weren't aware I would think they will be tamping

[ashton_fan]

2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

The press release would have been prepared when the charge was brought. So obviously it happened it January but they've only just come to the decision to charge. So this is fresh news. 

If that's the case Tomlin might not have told anybody at BCFC in the hope that charges were never brought?

[Fordy62]

1 minute ago, ashton_fan said:

If that's the case Tomlin might not have told anybody at BCFC in the hope that charges were never brought?

Yes. It's wholly plausible. in the same why I wouldn't have to tell my wife if I were arrested for stalking Margot Robbie. 

[Ashtonwurzel]

1 minute ago, ashton_fan said:

If that's the case Tomlin might not have told anybody at BCFC in the hope that charges were never brought?

It was very likely that it was some sort of Kebab shop scuffle that happens dozens of times a night outside of nightclubs across the country and then forgotten once in the taxi but as it was a "footballer" someone has taken it further. Just guessing obviously but would not be surprised.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

7 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014163/Lee-Tomlin-called-police-officer-tramp-offered-BMW.html

a little research shows Tomlin isn't new to (a) Leicester nightlife, or (b) the criminal justice system!

although I accept you'll struggle to find a more minor offence!

Fordy, what we really all want to know  - is how does she drive and have you got a suit yet?

[Wolf Island]

54 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

However, it's important to note the innocent til proven guilty thingy-ma-bob. 

Definitely agree. Would it be fair to say though that the case wouldn't be pursued, on this charge, and this length of time afterwards without very high confidence of conviction?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

If that's the case Tomlin might not have told anybody at BCFC in the hope that charges were never brought?

I doubt the club are worried about recourse even if they knew. There's firstly the question of whether they could even disclose "an arrest"; I would find it morally quite uncomfortable if they had to, I'd find it uncomfortable that they even could. 

Secondly, what have we actually sold them. Take a step back it's his registration with the FA as a player. That's still good. SL isn't a modern day Mr Colston selling individuals for work after all. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said:

Definitely agree. Would it be fair to say though that the case wouldn't be pursued, on this charge, and this length of time afterwards without very high confidence of conviction?

CPS definitely do consider chances of a successful conviction. But the threshold is much lower than very high confidence. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

Sure his agent would have known and negotiated with Baadiff, so depends if it slipped his memory during these discussions

 

[Fordy62]

3 minutes ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said:

Definitely agree. Would it be fair to say though that the case wouldn't be pursued, on this charge, and this length of time afterwards without very high confidence of conviction?

Spot on. The CPS are much harder to get things past than a jury. Their threshold for charging is "is there a realistic prospect of conviction in this matter". They obviously consider there is. Don't read too much into the length of time that has passed, that'll be the length of time the police took to get all of the evidence. Doctors are notoriously slow at giving medical statements so no doubt that will have taken at least a couple of months to come through. With it taking place at a nightclub I would suspect that there are multiple witnesses and if Tomlin didn't accept presence at the scene, (i.e. He denied being present or answered no comment - I would suggest this is more than likely) then an ID parade would be required for each of the suspects. As there are two suspect (that we know of), then it's a safe bet that there are a good number of ID parades that needed to take place before the decision could be made. This is a logistical nightmare.

Because we know that Tomlin is not on remand, we know that the investigation is complete and CPS have seen all the evidence and decided to charge what is quite a serious assault charge. 

There's still a long way to go to conviction. The sceptic in me will be interested to see what happens down the line.

[Scrumpty]

40 minutes ago, 29AR said:

I could be very wrong, but I don't think an arrest necessarily shows up. It's cautions, convictions that sort of thing. Right now, Tomlin is presumed innocent of course. 

Things changed post Huntley. Any dealings with the police can appear, but will only be disclosed if considered relevant. I doubt an arrest would be disclosed in these circumstances.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Scrumpty said:

Things changed post Huntley. Any dealings with the police can appear, but will only be disclosed if considered relevant. I doubt an arrest would be disclosed in these circumstances.

Yh that's what I was thinking. Sexual offences, attempted murder... perhaps GBH where with intent. 

[Scrumpty]

2 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Yh that's what I was thinking. Sexual offences, attempted murder... perhaps GBH where with intent. 

That's right. Huntley had been arrested several times by Humberside police on child related incidents, but was not convicted, enabling him to get a job at a school. Rules were subsequently changed, allowing discretionary disclosure.

[NcnsBcfc]

11 minutes ago, 29AR said:

Yh that's what I was thinking. Sexual offences, attempted murder... perhaps GBH where with intent. 

Think when it comes to vetting, it all boils down to whether the employer is willing to pay the extra money to do the enhancement. It normally gets outsourced to private companies now

Otherwise it's down to honesty and integrity of the individual I'm afraid. 

Like a few on here; I'm in the job. Now on Major crime unit. My dv vetting is a 40 page document that goes back to my school days.

They don't care what I'm into, just that I declare it; so not susceptible to blackmail at a later stage. 

Currently seconded down in the met working on the Grenfell Tower investigation.  Lots of fun

[alexukhc]

Have Cardiff released anything yet? Be interesting to know what they say

[JoeAman08]

LJ said even this summer he wanted to build around Tomlin. How come he didn't come out and say he was involved in a fight outside a nightclub 2 hours away? Shambles from the club to mislead us like that and get a good fee for a player doing his best to ruin his career. 

Seriously, a few owe LJ an apology on this one. This just shows, for his shortcomings as a young coach, he is trying to look out for the club and has the best intentions. Funnily enough I haven't seen those posters on this topic

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Scrumpty said:

That's right. Huntley had been arrested several times by Humberside police on child related incidents, but was not convicted, enabling him to get a job at a school. Rules were subsequently changed, allowing discretionary disclosure.

 

21 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

Think when it comes to vetting, it all boils down to whether the employer is willing to pay the extra money to do the enhancement. It normally gets outsourced to private companies now

Otherwise it's down to honesty and integrity of the individual I'm afraid. 

Like a few on here; I'm in the job. Now on Major crime unit. My dv vetting is a 40 page document that goes back to my school days.

They don't care what I'm into, just that I declare it; so not susceptible to blackmail at a later stage. 

Currently seconded down in the met working on the Grenfell Tower investigation.  Lots of fun

Thanks for the clarification. Every day is a school day  

[chinapig]

1 hour ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Came across this article written by a journo , (who covers Middlesbrough ) when Tomlin joined us 

Thought it was quite a good short piece and the journo has LT on the button for me

LTs biggest enemy - his ego

( Apologies for the size of the copy n paste text - can't seem to adjust it)

 

The ‘Tomlinho Turn’ was a delicious moment of magic that will shape the folk memory for decades to come.

 

The mercurial, balletic wriggle that put Vincent Kompany on spin cycle and carved open the champions’ defence in Boro’s famous 2-0 FA Cup win at Manchester City was a brilliant teasing flash of the potential of Lee Tomlin.

 

 

It seemed to herald the arrival of a serious talent and was accompanied by a lot of hype.

 

But now Tomlin is at a club that just escaped the drop last season. How did that happen?

 

That majestic twist and shot will loom large when we look back in years to come at the playmaker - but the shot came back off the post. And while Kompany was left bamboozled, that much replayed display of audacious skill seemed to leave Tomlin seeing stars too.

 

Ex-Middlesbrough FC man Lee Tomlin is Bristol City record buy

The social media “bantz” with crest-fallen City stars, the rave reviews on national TV and the purring pundits predicting greatness seemed to have turned his head.

 

That moment won him the Championship player of the month gong when he wasn’t even the best at the club in that spell and while he still made a contribution and chipped in with some neat touches in the run-in he never reached those heady heights again.

 

As Boro faded in the final furlong, Tomlin looked a frustrated figure, missing the beat by a fraction and at times struggling with the tempo of the team. 

 

His head was turned again in the summer when a new agent persuaded him he deserved better, that he should be in the Premier League and the first cracks appeared in his relationships at the club.

 

Always stocky, he came back from the summer break looking as if he was carrying a bit of timber and he was sluggish in pre-season and with Aitor less than happy, the cracks became a fissure. 

 

His exit came quickly.

Too quickly. His hasty move to Bournemouth always seemed ill-advised and, well, odd. It was never a natural fit.

 

Eddie Howe’s high-tempo attacking style demanded constant movement and industry off the ball and while Tomlin had sublime skills there would be little time to use them.

 

It was very different from Boro’s more patient, probing passing that made his own interventions and touches to change direction and spark counters more likely to count.

 

The ill-fated switch quickly went sour. After five months and just 10 appearances, largely from the bench, his frustrations boiled over into a late night twitter rant at the boss and he was swiftly exiled on loan to struggling Bristol City.

 

He has done well there. He scored six in 18 and helped engineer a great escape from relegation. 

 

The fans love him. He is a new club record signing.

 

It will sit well with his ego.

It is a lovely city and a club on the up and most Boro fans would wish him success.

 

But it seems like he has slithered down a snake. 

 

A year ago his stock was high and he was at a club geared for promotion and opted to leave.

 

He moved to a top flight club that was a poor fit and never nailed down a place and then burned his bridges.

 

Now he is playing at a lower level. Although he is the main man.

He really needs to settle and make a success there or he may find his star waning.

 

 

So, we must surely conclude, in the spirit of OTIB, that the people to blame are:

Aitor Karanka

Eddie Howe

Lee Johnson

and, er, no, can't think of anybody else. 

[cidered abroad]

22 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

Currently seconded down in the met working on the Grenfell Tower investigation.  Lots of fun

It's good that you have your sense of humour. Watching City must be a welcome relief.

[Wolf Island]

4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

LJ said even this summer he wanted to build around Tomlin. How come he didn't come out and say he was involved in a fight outside a nightclub 2 hours away? Shambles from the club to mislead us like that and get a good fee for a player doing his best to ruin his career. 

Seriously, a few owe LJ an apology on this one. This just shows, for his shortcomings as a young coach, he is trying to look out for the club and has the best intentions. Funnily enough I haven't seen those posters on this topic

Weird isn't it. Perhaps they're all on holiday somewhere with no internet access. 

[brizzlelou]

Trawling through as much as I can but any news as to what his ban/sentence is?

[alexukhc]

5 minutes ago, chinapig said:

So, we must surely conclude, in the spirit of OTIB, that the people to blame are:

Aitor Karanka

Eddie Howe

Lee Johnson

and, er, no, can't think of anybody else. 

Darren Ferguson 

[Robbored]

5 minutes ago, chinapig said:

So, we must surely conclude, in the spirit of OTIB, that the people to blame are:

Aitor Karanka

Eddie Howe

Lee Johnson

and, er, no, can't think of anybody else. 

Lee Tomlin himself?