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18 minutes ago, spudski said:

I really do think there is some influence when it comes to playing wide men. It's been too obvious for years. Often to the detriment of the teams balance.

 

15 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

That influence would have to be SL/JL

Really? I think there is a all pervading "culture of the club",  you see it on here,  "4-4-2" "get the crosses in"  "big bloke to knock it down" . It's like the last 30 years have never happened sometimes. 

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I'm confused ( but you all knew that!)

If Eliasson is that good, and if he is mates with Engval and therefore must know all about the club from Gus - what a rubbish man manager LJ is and how badly run Bristol City is - then what possessed him to come here?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

 

Really? I think there is a all pervading "culture of the club",  you see it on here,  "4-4-2" "get the crosses in"  "big bloke to knock it down" . It's like the last 30 years have never happened sometimes. 

I agree...it is something we seem to have created as a 'Culture' at this club. Whether it's fan influence or elsewhere, who knows...but I'd definitely say we have a culture over the years of playing wingers.

And you are right...so many on here, seem to yern for wingers.

For those who do...it's worth doing a bit of research into how many goals come from crosses percentage wise, and how much possession is lost by wingers.

It may look exciting to watch...but the positive outcome is far from what you would think.

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2 hours ago, Thatch35 said:

So another young player with potential signs. Let's hope he's actually good enough for a place every week. O'Dowda, Moore, Engvall, will he be another one? They way LJ found him from 'stats' is quite interesting, maybe worrying. Wait and see i guess. A signing with proven championship ability would be appreciated instead of potential gambles on unproven players.

I really hope he's used as a winger, pace down the wing with crosses in the box. Width is missing in my opinion.

LJ's comment is that of the modern approach to scouting players, they have the 'stats' and then the look at the player in the flesh, the 'looking' was the reason they signed him, sounds like a good plan to me. 

Perhaps you might want to put aside you bias against LJ for once and post something positive, it is irrational to criticise  just about everything LJ.

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10 minutes ago, Thatch35 said:

Nonsense again. Another person who dosent consider or think about my post before replying. Think about the content of my post and then reply.

Other posters have sensibly considered O'dowder as per my post. Shame you can't manage it with your boring agenda. 

Haha, I'm sure you must be a parody. A convincing one if so.

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2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

I get the impression he's making a lot of money from this transfer as he seems very excited about it.

He's done similar with transfers to Italian Clubs.

Agents do take way too much money...however...it's swings and roundabouts, most footballers aren't that bright, and football clubs wouldn't hesitate at stitching them up financially if they could. They are a necessary evil as contracts are just so complicated these days.

What does make me smile, is when footballers become agents themselves. If they have the nous to become an agent, why have one when you were playing :laugh:

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38 minutes ago, spudski said:

I really do think there is some influence when it comes to playing wide men. It's been too obvious for years. Often to the detriment of the teams balance.

It will be interesting to see how the desire from the top for wide players and wing play pans out this season. Is the narrowed pitch LJ's way of making his own point on this? Is he more of his own man than some would suggest?

Both our conventional wide men COD and Eliasson are left footers. So if they're playing on the right they'll be cutting in a lot. For me Paterson is someone who plays tighter. Brownhill even more so.

So whilst we have a surfeit of wide men I don't necessarily think we'll see buccaneering wing play a la Gavin, Smith, Bent, Murray.

Aside from our own personnel most opposing teams (save for those at the top of the league playing at home and open to the counterattack) won't be set up to allow it.

If this really is a preference or demand from the top it could prove a source of tension with LJ who won't be able to deliver what is required from the players at his disposal.

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1 minute ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said:

It will be interesting to see how the desire from the top for wide players and wing play pans out this season. Is the narrowed pitch LJ's way of making his own point on this? Is he more of his own man than some would suggest?

Both our conventional wide men COD and Eliasson are left footers. So if they're playing on the right they'll be cutting in a lot. For me Paterson is someone who plays tighter. Brownhill even more so.

So whilst we have a surfeit of wide men I don't necessarily think we'll see buccaneering wing play a la Gavin, Smith, Bent, Murray.

Aside from our own personnel most opposing teams (save for those at the top of the league playing at home and open to the counterattack) won't be set up to allow it.

If this really is a preference or demand from the top it could prove a source of tension with LJ who won't be able to deliver what is required from the players at his disposal.

I agree...I also don't think LJ likes playing 'wingers'...if he were to, then I'd seriously question where that idea is coming from.

Everything he has shown since being here, is his preference to attack the 18 yard box from the front. In other words narrow.

Hence why so many fans have asked about crossing from the wings...as imo, that's what they've got used to City doing over the years.

Probably why we get so many requests to bring Albert back.

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8 minutes ago, spudski said:

He's done similar with transfers to Italian Clubs.

Agents do take way too much money...however...it's swings and roundabouts, most footballers aren't that bright, and football clubs wouldn't hesitate at stitching them up financially if they could. They are a necessary evil as contracts are just so complicated these days.

What does make me smile, is when footballers become agents themselves. If they have the nous to become an agent, why have one when you were playing :laugh:

It's a shame so many players are too thick to organise their own contracts. 

They'd save a fortune and would only need the services of a reasonably priced solicitor. 

 

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4 minutes ago, spudski said:

I agree...I also don't think LJ likes playing 'wingers'...if he were to, then I'd seriously question where that idea is coming from.

Everything he has shown since being here, is his preference to attack the 18 yard box from the front. In other words narrow.

Hence why so many fans have asked about crossing from the wings...as imo, that's what they've got used to City doing over the years.

Probably why we get so many requests to bring Albert back.

There is also the important question regarding free kicks, something that many teams have specialists for and another important source of goals.

Our free kicks under LJ have been pretty much woeful, hopefully this is a guy who can improve that part of our game.

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1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said:

It's a shame so many players are too thick to organise their own contracts. 

They'd save a fortune and would only need the services of a reasonably priced solicitor. 

 

I suppose it depends on the level of the deal...having been privy to seeing a few through an Agent that was a former GF's family member, then I can understand why Agents are needed. The hours of talking and negotiating and details, is ridiculous.

Tbh...Football Clubs could save themselves a fortune as well, in not paying Agents fees, if they weren't also looking to have something for nothing.

Both parties could be seen as Leeches...grabbing what they can.

Then you have to take into account, many a kid just dreamed of playing football and didn't brush up on their education.

In saying that...I have noted a marked improvement in many of the younger players ability to speak well and have some form of intelligence, even if it's not on par with some of the older generation.

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53 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

If he's not good enough for the Championship then I'd say that's not true. Personally I think he left Oxford too soon. Needed at least another season lower down. 

I think he is ready to prove himself in the Championship.  League One would be about 'development' and I think he's beyond that at that level.  Just MHO, but I'm hoping to see him do well this season.

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18 minutes ago, Ser Davos Ciderworth said:

It will be interesting to see how the desire from the top for wide players and wing play pans out this season. Is the narrowed pitch LJ's way of making his own point on this? Is he more of his own man than some would suggest?

Both our conventional wide men COD and Eliasson are left footers. So if they're playing on the right they'll be cutting in a lot. For me Paterson is someone who plays tighter. Brownhill even more so.

So whilst we have a surfeit of wide men I don't necessarily think we'll see buccaneering wing play a la Gavin, Smith, Bent, Murray.

Aside from our own personnel most opposing teams (save for those at the top of the league playing at home and open to the counterattack) won't be set up to allow it.

If this really is a preference or demand from the top it could prove a source of tension with LJ who won't be able to deliver what is required from the players at his disposal.

We have definitely seen a gradual change. From wingers as I knew playing as wingers (Smith,Gavin,Whitehead etc) , to wingers playing on the 'wrong' wings and recently wide MF's like Pato and Brownhill. I'm a little confused by another 'left footed player who can play on the right' has come in , but our recruitment almost seems to be as much on resale value as fitting into a position. That said I read he has the best assist record in the league (the translation site may have left a little to be desired) and he seems at home on the right. Odowda , at the moment seems an option as teams tire, Eliasson I think will start, at least after a settling in period. Where this leaves Brownhill in the short term I'm not sure. I do think CM will be his eventually.

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28 minutes ago, spudski said:

He's done similar with transfers to Italian Clubs.

Agents do take way too much money...however...it's swings and roundabouts, most footballers aren't that bright, and football clubs wouldn't hesitate at stitching them up financially if they could. They are a necessary evil as contracts are just so complicated these days.

What does make me smile, is when footballers become agents themselves. If they have the nous to become an agent, why have one when you were playing :laugh:

Most footballers are not going to start their own businesses, is that what you mean to say ? 

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23 minutes ago, spudski said:

I agree...I also don't think LJ likes playing 'wingers'...if he were to, then I'd seriously question where that idea is coming from.

Everything he has shown since being here, is his preference to attack the 18 yard box from the front. In other words narrow.

Hence why so many fans have asked about crossing from the wings...as imo, that's what they've got used to City doing over the years.

Probably why we get so many requests to bring Albert back.

I would say we've seen a fair amount of width under L J, but more from overlapping full backs than from wingers.

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1 hour ago, spudski said:

'Found him from Stats'....that's pretty much how all top football clubs find players these days. And have been for quite a while.

A manager will say 'I want a player that is this, this and this'.... the analysts will find this type of player through stats available. They have data bases of thousands of footballers across the world. They will also speak to the scouting network.

Once a list of players is put together that match the requirements, they will scout them. Reports will come in...then the head scout and manager/coach will go and look as well.

They do this for all positions and types of players.

Scouts now have list of 'type of player required' to look for.

The one sentence that got me, was 'We’ve got stiff competition for places now in the wide areas, which this club demands'....I'd love to know whether LJ was inferring to competition for all places, not just wide, or that is 'demanded' we have wide players.

It has long been a theory of mine, that there is an 'outside' influence in the team having to play wingers. Whether that's born from one persons preference or something picked up on what the fans like, I have no idea, but it's something I've noticed over the years. We have been a club for playing 'wide players'.

 

I'd suggest through the history of Bristol City is that we do love to have fast and tricky wingers. Walsh, Murray, Gavin, Smith, Adomah says a lot.

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32 minutes ago, spudski said:

I agree...I also don't think LJ likes playing 'wingers'...if he were to, then I'd seriously question where that idea is coming from.

Everything he has shown since being here, is his preference to attack the 18 yard box from the front. In other words narrow.

Hence why so many fans have asked about crossing from the wings...as imo, that's what they've got used to City doing over the years.

Probably why we get so many requests to bring Albert back.

I'm someone who likes to see my team play with 'width', in the modern game that doesn't necessarily mean out and out wingers.

Having width in the team creates space for other players. 

Its a simple concept, and the lack of it was one of the main reasons why we failed last season.

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5 minutes ago, BA14 RED said:

I'd suggest through the history of Bristol City is that we do love to have fast and tricky wingers. Walsh, Murray, Gavin, Smith, Adomah says a lot.

That's what I was trying to imply...but who is this 'we' that we speak of? The fans, or those with more influence.

Tbh...I got it when we had Walsh, Murray, Smith, Gavin etc...back in those years...but when we had Albert...we played like a one man team. Everything went through him, and often ended in a cul de sac. It was appalling football to watch imo.

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Who would be dropped from our 'current' starting 11 to accommodate? (Team that started vs. Barnsley).

Given form, Bobby and Fammy stay put. This would mean losing someone from the 4-man midfield.

Eliasson would take left wing, moving Paterson to right.

Keep Korey and Marlon and drop Brownhill? Or drop one and move Josh central?

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