Robbored Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 Just shown the goals on SSN. Hinds goal was excellent. Picked up the ball in his own half, drifted past a couple of defenders and wellied a terrific low dipping shot from around 30yds.Hope his parents were there to watch him.... How long before Freddie gets a start?
cidercity1987 Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Red said: Where is he getting transferred to? The first team?
Shtanley Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 Shame we've just brought Woodrow in when Hinds looks so lively
The Nest Egg Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, Shtanley said: Shame we've just brought Woodrow in when Hinds looks so lively They serve different purposes so either one would be likely to be a direct replacement for each other. Hinds has really impressed in the EFL Cup but we need to remember he's young and edge him into the first team slowly. I really do hope he makes something of himself and if he keeps proving that he can, I'm sure he'll force his way in on a more regular basis. Cauley's signing may be confusing to some but let's not jump on him before he's even played a minute in a City shirt
bpexile Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 Just watched the goals on youtube, that goal of Freddies was special. In the words of the late great Freddie Mercury "It's a Kind of Magic"
WhistleHappy Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Red said: Where is he getting transferred to? Probably his upper arm ....with a transfer out of a Bazooka Joe bubble gum wrapper.... it'll be real tattoos in a few years time I expect.
simon uk Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 Hinds has a hint of maynard when he was good, about him.
bpexile Posted August 22, 2017 Posted August 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said: Great coming from beHinds to win innit? Thats easy to say with Hindsight (Q) What does BCFC & Sir Francis Drake have in common ? (A) They both have a Golden Hind
rednotblue Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 The second yellow. it looks like we are 4 on 1 on the break?? yet more interested in getting a player sent off than scoring a goal?
City Ben Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 1 hour ago, rednotblue said: The second yellow. it looks like we are 4 on 1 on the break?? yet more interested in getting a player sent off than scoring a goal? Looked to me that the players were livid that the ref pulled play back. Have only seen it on YouTube, but thought the ref should have played advantage, then come back for the sending off after the move had played out.
Up The City! Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, City Ben said: Looked to me that the players were livid that the ref pulled play back. Have only seen it on YouTube, but thought the ref should have played advantage, then come back for the sending off after the move had played out. Im sure the rules were changed not so long ago so this could happen?
City Ben Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Up The City! said: Im sure the rules were changed not so long ago so this could happen? Oh were they? I'd say that's a real shame, made a lot of sense to me. Last night the thing that stopped us breaking wasn't Eliasson being brought down, but the ref stopping play.
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 4 hours ago, bpexile said: Thats easy to say with Hindsight (Q) What does BCFC & Sir Francis Drake have in common ? (A) They both have a Golden Hind I hope that if we sell him, it costs someone dear.
kiwicolin Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Robbored said: Just shown the goals on SSN. Hinds goal was excellent. Picked up the ball in his own half, drifted past a couple of defenders and wellied a terrific low dipping shot from around 30yds.Hope his parents were there to watch him.... How long before Freddie gets a start? It's nice to see a player shooting from outside the box and taking a chance and scores. We don't see that often enough, as players take that extra touch or pass. As though they don't want to take the responsibility. More please.
bpexile Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Juan Kerr said: I hope that if we sell him, it costs someone dear. So do I honey
westonred Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Shame it wasn't scored 2 minutes earlier it would have been Hinds 57
Negan Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Yes there have been a few topics on here with him in mentioning but none solely for him. Now we we watched last season as an 18 year old practically kept us up with his goals, seems we now have another 18 year old who is fond on finding the net. 2 goals now I'm 2 starts. This can't be ignored by the management. Should we be starting him on Friday night live infeont of the sky cameras? I honestly think we should. He deserves his chance now at a league start, Diedhiou yes he's still adjusting to a new league, country what ever, isn't setting the world a light, and as a striker you deserve your place in the team if you're scoring goals, which he isn't and Hinds is when he's starting. We can't use the excuse of him being to young as Tammy showed us that's not the case, and so is Hinds at the moment. Give him him a start Lee! We might just have our own Tammy Abraham on OUR books.
hoxton casual Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 7 hours ago, simon uk said: Hinds has a hint of maynard when he was good, about him. Much better than Maynard. He is quick strong and direct. We have our very own Jermain Defoe in the making
simon uk Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 It worked last night but him and bobby are super lightweight against sone big villa defenders, it may need diedhou to put himself around a bit.
Lew-T Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 I wouldn't start him personally. Although it's great to see him do so well so early on at City! He doesn't score scruffy goals either does he? I think Reid and Hinds are too similar to be starting along each other. I'd leave it with Reid and Famara but would change the midfield, especially wide areas. Depending how the game goes, I think he'll get 20 minutes or so.
Kodjias Wrist Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Lets not forget we have just loaned Woodrow until the end of the season and Taylor is coming back to fitness. I would like to see Hinds get some regular game time out on loan at league1/2 level.
samo II Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Agree with the sentiment above in that Villa present a slightly different challenge and Diedhiou's physicality may help carve out space for Bobby (who I think we all agree needs to start). What is great is to have an option like Hinds to bring on; he's shown quality and application, and could have a breakout year. Puts pressure on Woodrow and Taylor too; they'll hopefully push on and look to impress, knowing Hinds is grabbing his chance. Still expect him to head out on loan now Taylor is fit, and think that would do him a lot of good.
Guest Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Definetely shouldn't start against villa, need someone like Fammy to boss the defence as Hinds and Reid are too small. Reid won't be dropped due to his stellar form currently either. If we give him a few more league minutes each week, maybe subbing him on for Reid or Fammy would like to see him start ideally against Bolton but keep playing as first choice striker in the cup
Flagon Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 I would go with Diedhiou and Reid still. I think Villa will be more aggressive than Watford, but not as much as Millwall. I think he needs to be in the matchday squad though and would have no hesitation bringing him on, just think Diedhiou needs to put himself about and give the two centre backs a tough game and then utilise Hinds pace. In two games he's done what Tammy never did, made his own goals and Hinds is touted as a more of a poacher type striker. Really exciting future.
chipdawg Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 The difference between Tammy and Hinds is that Tammy is 6'3" and built like a man. Hinds still looks like a kid. There's no need to rush him for me, with Taylor fit again and Woodrow here, we should try and get Hinds a L1/L2 loan and regular football until Christmas. If he scores well then bring him back and give him games. Don't see the need to rush him really, I'd rather have a top player in 12 months time than a decent youngster now
extonsred Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Don't think he should be loaned out. Let him know how well regarded he is, give him the confidence n belief that he knocking on the door of the first team . Could well progress more if kept in the fold n not farmed out like so many others.
Lrrr Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 I would contemplate him and Bobby against Villa on the basis anyone with even a bit of pace and movement will likely give John Terry some brown shorts for the evening.
Ivorguy Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 15 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Lets not forget we have just loaned Woodrow until the end of the season and Taylor is coming back to fitness. I would like to see Hinds get some regular game time out on loan at league1/2 level. Why? If he is good enough he is old enough. We are not talking about a goalie, defender or midfielder but a striker. Stick with him, Lee
Robbored Posted August 23, 2017 Author Posted August 23, 2017 Interesting debate.....Hinds might be too lightweight up against Villa's burly defenders but......Hinds would be a complete unknown to them with no idea what his game is. In fact at his age he probably won't know his own game yet......
Lrrr Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 6 hours ago, rednotblue said: The second yellow. it looks like we are 4 on 1 on the break?? yet more interested in getting a player sent off than scoring a goal? Looked like the players were pissed about not being able to play on if anything.
handsofclay Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 6 hours ago, rednotblue said: The second yellow. it looks like we are 4 on 1 on the break?? yet more interested in getting a player sent off than scoring a goal? 5 hours ago, City Ben said: Looked to me that the players were livid that the ref pulled play back. Have only seen it on YouTube, but thought the ref should have played advantage, then come back for the sending off after the move had played out. On RB it was explained that the ref had to send the player off immediately because had City's attack broken down and then Watford counter-attacked it could have occurred where the shouldn't be on the pitch player set up or scored a goal.
Chairman Mao Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Great first name as well, we need more Freddie's in football.
simon uk Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: Interesting debate.....Hinds might be too lightweight up against Villa's burly defenders but......Hinds would be a complete unknown to them with no idea what his game is. In fact at his age he probably won't know his own game yet...... Though to be fair, it probably wouldnt take them long to figure hes young and small so probably is quite quick?!
Robbored Posted August 23, 2017 Author Posted August 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, simon uk said: Though to be fair, it probably wouldnt take them long to figure hes young and small so probably is quite quick?! It's his movement and trickery that could be a problem. Add to that Reid who is another relatively unknown and City have two very promising young goalscorers in the squad. Add to that the beef of Diedhiou and the striker options are pretty good.
the frampton balti Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Robbored said: Interesting debate.....Hinds might be too lightweight up against Villa's burly defenders but......Hinds would be a complete unknown to them with no idea what his game is. In fact at his age he probably won't know his own game yet...... flip side is hinds and reid run rings around villas cumbersome defenders! lets not play long ball .
simon uk Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Robbored said: It's his movement and trickery that could be a problem. Add to that Reid who is another relatively unknown and City have two very promising young goalscorers in the squad. Agree re promissing goalscorers, bobby reids improvement is stunning
the frampton balti Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 I saw so much energy with Hinds and Reid and O dowda that they were playing midfield and striker at the same time. In bobby reid particularly we have a tackling striker Ideal for the pressing game. If we stop thinking about these players being one or the other it brings a whole new realm of possibilities .For the time being for me its hinds and reid to start wit daddio on the bench. either way .. im really looking forward to friday now!
City Ben Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, handsofclay said: On RB it was explained that the ref had to send the player off immediately because had City's attack broken down and then Watford counter-attacked it could have occurred where the shouldn't be on the pitch player set up or scored a goal. Thanks, that's helpful. I guess I would still think that as soon as we lose the ball, it's advantage over and the ref stops the game. But my knowledge of this rule is poor! I may even - and I know this would be controversial - look it up in the laws.
ForeverRed Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Two small guys up front........ it worked with Riley and Neville!! Give Freddy and Bobby a go!
BCFC101 Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 8 minutes ago, City Ben said: Thanks, that's helpful. I guess I would still think that as soon as we lose the ball, it's advantage over and the ref stops the game. But my knowledge of this rule is poor! I may even - and I know this would be controversial - look it up in the laws. I can't remember if it's in the Laws of the Game, but when I did my refereeing course, it was explained that the referee has to stop play straight away if he's going to send a player off, regardless of whether there is an advantage to be played or not, so in regards to what happened last night, the ref had no other option but to stop the 4v1 to send their player off.
Fat Cigar Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Can see him coming on second half if all not going to plan. Both of his goals have been gems, and in a team/squad of players who can't shoot for toffee. To be able to finish in that style for someone so young isn't a fluke. This kid clearly has talent. Can't see him being loaned out and nor would I want him to be. He strikes me as a very different striker to Tammy. Tammy was a poacher. Almost all of his goals came within the six-yard box. Both Hinds's goals have been bullets from way outside the penalty area. Very impressive.
Redstart Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, ForeverRed said: Two small guys up front........ it worked with Riley and Neville!! Give Freddy and Bobby a go! One of my favourite City era's watching those 2 upfront
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 6 hours ago, City Ben said: Looked to me that the players were livid that the ref pulled play back. Have only seen it on YouTube, but thought the ref should have played advantage, then come back for the sending off after the move had played out. Definitely the case. If you watch the Sky video, City break after the foul, the ref clearly blows and the three City players throw up their hands in protest.
handsofclay Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 1 hour ago, City Ben said: Thanks, that's helpful. I guess I would still think that as soon as we lose the ball, it's advantage over and the ref stops the game. But my knowledge of this rule is poor! I may even - and I know this would be controversial - look it up in the laws. This is where, perhaps, the law should be changed so that as soon, as like you say, the advantage is over the ref can then stop the game on the pretext that the team now in possession of the ball have an extra player effectively on the pitch so the ref needs to stop play to send him off. The game could then restart with a drop ball, or if a goal was scored by the team playing with the advantage, a kick off etc. As it currently stands though, the ref did the right thing, according to the rules, in stopping play to send the player off.
Negan Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 I think Terry would much prefer playing against Diedhiou than hinds. Can't see him being much of a problem for Terry, he's been playing against better and stronger players than deidhiou his entire career, he's old and slow now, he'd much rather have a physical battle than playing chase to an 18 year old. Villa are struggling against teams with pace at the moment. We have pace and need to use it. There's no way we should be loaning him out to league 2, maybe league 1 if there is a great chance he'll play weekly, but he's taking his chances here when given them. Don't see the point in rewarding him with a move to another club where he might not even get a chance. If he won't start then he has to be on the bench. We never know how to handle the majority of our youngsters, most get shipped out to non league where they don't stand out and eventually get released. We currently have a young striker performing for us, keep him here and let us develop him at our level!
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 He'd be in my squad now and I'd be giving him game time whenever I could , ideally in games we are winning , under less pressure If he continues to shine he will force himself into a starting place Championship is a tough place with some experienced physical centre halves Need to remember his age and the jump,he's making - can't expect him to be consistent or deliver every time
Port Said Red Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Ideal "Super Sub" against tiring defences, last 20 off the bench he could be a game changer.
MarkRed! Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 Good post. Not sure about starting but what he has done is create competition for places and he has put his name in the hat. He has taken the chances that have been given to him. Credit to LJ as he put him in the First Team squad at the beginning of the season. There can be often doom and gloom around the club but it is really nice being positive about our young players and finally a club strategy looks like bearing fruit. Hinds has definitely stepped up and this is precisely the pressure we want being put on our first 11.....
Guest skinster Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 3 hours ago, simon uk said: It worked last night but him and bobby are super lightweight against sone big villa defenders, it may need diedhou to put himself around a bit. To be fair Watford and some big defenders, it seemed the only way they could get to them is to bring them down..
Red-Robbo Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 I wouldn't mind seeing him on the bench. Coming on when Dieudhieu tires, as he always seems to do. The lad certainly knows where the net is and his 2 in 2 deserves some recognition. He came here to get a chance to break through at this level If we loan him to a L2 club and he might as well have stayed at Luton. As someone once said "if he's good enough, he's old enough."
Lrrr Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 1 hour ago, BCFC101 said: I can't remember if it's in the Laws of the Game, but when I did my refereeing course, it was explained that the referee has to stop play straight away if he's going to send a player off, regardless of whether there is an advantage to be played or not, so in regards to what happened last night, the ref had no other option but to stop the 4v1 to send their player off. Fair enough about last night then, but feels refs should be able to use their own judgement if the team benefits from an advantage. 4 on 1 is a clear goal scoring advantage and think City would often prefer to have that position than the player sent off, especially the situation the game was in.
Major Isewater Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Port Said Red said: Ideal "Super Sub" against tiring defences, last 20 off the bench he could be a game changer. The ' Wes Burns ' role but with goals .
Port Said Red Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: The ' Wes Burns ' role but with goals . How's that guy getting on? I am still waiting to find out what a huge mistake Johnson made in letting him go.......
Southport Red Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 18 hours ago, Malbec said: Having a senior moment Robbored? Like this one?
BCFC Rich Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 6 hours ago, hodge said: Fair enough about last night then, but feels refs should be able to use their own judgement if the team benefits from an advantage. 4 on 1 is a clear goal scoring advantage and think City would often prefer to have that position than the player sent off, especially the situation the game was in. They can actually the official law is: Quote Referees should consider the following circumstances in deciding when to play advantage or stop play: - the severity of the offense. If the infringement warrants an expulsion, the referee shall stop play and send the player off unless there is a subsequent opportunity to score a goal. So he could have deemed it a goal scoring opportunity and then brought play back but considering the offense took place in our half that would have been a tough call. So overall it was probably the correct decision.
chinapig Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 9 hours ago, handsofclay said: On RB it was explained that the ref had to send the player off immediately because had City's attack broken down and then Watford counter-attacked it could have occurred where the shouldn't be on the pitch player set up or scored a goal. Exactly what a friend of mine who referees at a good non league level told me today. Makes sense.
Davefevs Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 12 hours ago, ForeverRed said: Two small guys up front........ it worked with Riley and Neville!! Give Freddy and Bobby a go! Just catching up on this thread, and was thinking the same. I'm a bit of a traditionalist and still like the big-man / small-man pairing, but I've seen two little-uns work, and two big-uns too. All about understandings, intuition, unselfishness etc. There will be a lot of defences in this division based on a couple of lumps, who wouldn't want to have to run around after two quick, high energy strikers. 10 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: He'd be in my squad now and I'd be giving him game time whenever I could , ideally in games we are winning , under less pressure If he continues to shine he will force himself into a starting place Championship is a tough place with some experienced physical centre halves Need to remember his age and the jump,he's making - can't expect him to be consistent or deliver every time If LJ thinks FH is the real deal (albeit raw and inexperienced) I'd be letting Matty Taylor go, and rather than gaining experience on loan in L1/L2, I'd be letting him learn playing with better players and getting / retaining good habits. I've only seen the Plymouth game so don't know if we are getting a bit over-excited. Sometimes I think you're better off letting them learn by being around better players, and also does Freddie need to get kicked up and down in L1/L2. If he is good enough I'd happily go with Diedhiou, Reid, Woodrow and Hinds as my match day 4. Milan back around Xmas, then allows LJ to reflect on what's best for the squad of strikers. 10 hours ago, MarkRed! said: Good post. Not sure about starting but what he has done is create competition for places and he has put his name in the hat. He has taken the chances that have been given to him. Credit to LJ as he put him in the First Team squad at the beginning of the season. There can be often doom and gloom around the club but it is really nice being positive about our young players and finally a club strategy looks like bearing fruit. Hinds has definitely stepped up and this is precisely the pressure we want being put on our first 11..... Yep, can only put in good displays and put thoughts in the manager's head. Bobby has done that, and it's almost inconceivable for him not to play.
BrightCiderLife Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 18 hours ago, City Ben said: Looked to me that the players were livid that the ref pulled play back. Have only seen it on YouTube, but thought the ref should have played advantage, then come back for the sending off after the move had played out. If giving a second yellow, there is no option to play on and then come back to send him off. Either you blow up immediately and send him off, or you play on and no second booking.
REDOXO Posted August 23, 2017 Posted August 23, 2017 20 hours ago, rednotblue said: The second yellow. it looks like we are 4 on 1 on the break?? yet more interested in getting a player sent off than scoring a goal? No. The ref stopped the game not the players. Smith was pretty upset. It was a high likelihood of a goal and a poor decision... I have read some of the stuff on this thread and make a couple of comments. Adam Baker's comment was based upon a comment by another official at another match and what the referee said afterward The player committed a cautionable offence, not a straight red. We see referees issuing cards retrospectively all the time and in this instance a decision needed to be made, but as the offence was to deliberately stop a goal scoring opportunity the defender achieved his aim aided and abetted by the referee. The argument that 4 v 1 running toward goal that we may have lost the ball and the player who committed the offence may have had some hand in scoring a goal in the other end (before the referee could stop the game) when he should not of been on the field is spurious. Refereeing is about making judgement calls every second of every match. In this case he should have made a different judgement. Anyone who asks the answer is yes!
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