Lee Tomlin transfer £1.5M

[ashton_fan]

According to Channel 5 Neil Warnock phoned them and asked them to point out he'd only paid £1.5M for Tomlin not £3M as reported. Apart from the fact that we lost half our original fee doesn't this put Cardiff in breach of contract since the transfer fee was supposed to be undisclosed? Just shows how thin-skinned Warnock is since it put him in a poor light with Tomlin hardly featuring for Cardiff so far.

[daored]

3 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

According to Channel 5 Neil Warnock phoned them and asked them to point out he'd only paid £1.5M for Tomlin not £3M as reported. Apart from the fact that we lost half our original fee doesn't this put Cardiff in breach of contract since the transfer fee was supposed to be undisclosed? Just shows how thin-skinned Warnock is since it put him in a poor light with Tomlin hardly featuring for Cardiff so far.

How this a theory, Colin regrets buying Lee like you say he has hardly featured much this season , plus the fact of has become public knowledge Tomlin has been charged. Just a thought, Colin is making it public knowledge he didn't spend such an amount on Tomlin

[Lanterne Rouge]

If we`d given him away it still would have been good business IMO.

I suspect our Neil is discovering what most of us knew all along and realises we`ve pulled his pants down.

He`s just trying to say now that it was only to his knees and not right down to his ankles.

[iamalagerdrinker]

I wouldn't care, I loved Tomlin but with all the news that has come out about him I think we're lucky to get that and we've moved on pretty well 

[GrahamC]

In these days of undisclosed fees we'll never get to know the full story.

However it was widely reported as being "up to £2.9m with add ons" at the time and seeing as Tomlin hasn't exactly got off to a stellar start this could be Warnock (who let's face it, is a serial liar anyway) making the truth suit his own agenda, in exactly the same way we have with Engvall..

[Loosey Boy]

Just getting him out of our club was a great piece of business - clearly disruptive both in and outside of work!

[Robbored]

5 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

In these days of undisclosed fees we'll never get to know the full story.

However it was widely reported as being "up to £2.9m with add ons" at the time and seeing as Tomlin hasn't exactly got off to a stellar start this could be Warnock (who let's face it, is a serial liar anyway) making the truth suit his own agenda, in exactly the same way we have with Engvall..

Nearly all managers "cover their own tracks" especially in transfer matters. Colin  and 'Arry are especially skilled at it.

LJ is learning a trick or two by just having transfers involvement with them.

[Roger Red Hat]

So who believes what Colin says?

[hoxton casual]

Yes i loved Tomlin too but ee were lucky to get money for him. As for Warnock he seems to be doing pretty well without Tomlin.

[Davefevs]

46 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

In these days of undisclosed fees we'll never get to know the full story.

However it was widely reported as being "up to £2.9m with add ons" at the time and seeing as Tomlin hasn't exactly got off to a stellar start this could be Warnock (who let's face it, is a serial liar anyway) making the truth suit his own agenda, in exactly the same way we have with Engvall..

Exactly this.

[cidercity1987]

Really disrupting Cardiff at the moment isnt he

[brizzlelou]

1 hour ago, ashton_fan said:

According to Channel 5 Neil Warnock phoned them and asked them to point out he'd only paid £1.5M for Tomlin not £3M as reported. Apart from the fact that we lost half our original fee doesn't this put Cardiff in breach of contract since the transfer fee was supposed to be undisclosed? Just shows how thin-skinned Warnock is since it put him in a poor light with Tomlin hardly featuring for Cardiff so far.

Just glad to have seen him go really (sounds a bit harsh). Bit of a shame he couldn't work out here but unfortunately some players just can't and won't change. He's too long in the tooth now to make any real difference in that department of his career. Might be worth Lee having a long thought and maybe dropping to L1 where he'll be idolised by a Peterborough type team and can just massage his ego a little for the last few years of his career as he's hardly the type to go well on into his 30's.

[pongo88]

56 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

So who believes what Colin says?

Colin. He looks in the mirror every morning and tells himself how wonderful he is 

[BRISTOL86]

1 hour ago, ashton_fan said:

According to Channel 5 Neil Warnock phoned them and asked them to point out he'd only paid £1.5M for Tomlin not £3M as reported. Apart from the fact that we lost half our original fee doesn't this put Cardiff in breach of contract since the transfer fee was supposed to be undisclosed? Just shows how thin-skinned Warnock is since it put him in a poor light with Tomlin hardly featuring for Cardiff so far.

Is that actually true or are you just assuming we paid £3m in a lump sum when we signed him?

Almost no transfers are just completely cash up front so I doubt ours was either. And NW pointed out it was £1.5m and 'the rest was add ons' which means the price may rise from £1.5m depending on Tomlin's performances from Cardiff.

I don't think it can be said that we've 'lost half our fee' 

[ashton_fan]

1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said:

Is that actually true or are you just assuming we paid £3m in a lump sum when we signed him?

Almost no transfers are just completely cash up front so I doubt ours was either. And NW pointed out it was £1.5m and 'the rest was add ons' which means the price may rise from £1.5m depending on Tomlin's performances from Cardiff.

I don't think it can be said that we've 'lost half our fee' 

It's true that nobody knows for sure since the fee was undisclosed, I was merely repeating what was broadcast on Channel 5 and comparing with the figure which had been assumed on the forum

[BRISTOL86]

1 minute ago, ashton_fan said:

It's true that nobody knows for sure since the fee was undisclosed, I was merely repeating what was broadcast on Channel 5 and comparing with the figure which had been assumed on the forum

I think our reported fee of around £3m was about right, I just very much doubt that was a lump sum payment up front. I'd expect the commercials of the deal bringing him here were pretty similar to the one taking him to Cardiff. He gets a lot of flack but Ashton is clearly a canny negotiator.

[42nite]

Seems like he's a good player to have in your squad when used properly.

i.e. When he's not playing, the team does well.

 

 

 

[BobBobSuperBob]

1 hour ago, Keyardiv said:

For Tomlin it's unfortunate we've got off to a flyer and Warnock is therefore unlikely to change things much at the moment. £1.5m is hardly a fortune so no reason to think he'll walk straight into an in-form team. He offers something different though and I'm sure he'll get his chance for a run of games. Probably better to reserve judgement until then.

Nah

Better to leave any 'judgement' to,the bloke with the wig

[Port Said Red]

Is one of the add-ons payable if he stays out of jail? 

[Aaron-Bcfc]

5 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

If we`d given him away it still would have been good business IMO.

I suspect our Neil is discovering what most of us knew all along and realises we`ve pulled his pants down.

He`s just trying to say now that it was only to his knees and not right down to his ankles.

Not sure he really cares from all that way up at the top of the league

[Ian M]

Nice to see we have got under Colin's skin though  

[REDOXO]

The two people in football I would trust the least. Colin and Lee Tomlin are made for each other and they know it. Cardiff great start. Tomlin has a goal if not mistaken and will get his chance. Our fee was up to 4m with add ons which I guess we got nowhere near. What we paid upfront and what we got upfront is the issue. Looks like a fat loss! If you pardon the pun. 

[archie andrews]

26 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

The two people in football I would trust the least. Colin and Lee Tomlin are made for each other and they know it. Cardiff great start. Tomlin has a goal if not mistaken and will get his chance. Our fee was up to 4m with add ons which I guess we got nowhere near. What we paid upfront and what we got upfront is the issue. Looks like a fat loss! If you pardon the pun. 

???????

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 hour ago, Aaron-Bcfc said:

Not sure he really cares from all that way up at the top of the league

Well, he obviously cares enough to phone a national TV channel to have a whinge.

[Spike]

5 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

Really disrupting Cardiff at the moment isnt he

To be fair I'd imagine he's had little to no impact on them either way, being as he's been dealing with his court case. Either way we've been able to move past him either way now he's gone.

[WhistleHappy]

CARDIFF PAID US??

Wow, ffs what a great bit of business, I imagined WE'D PAID THEM.... blimey that's what I call recycling, well done City!

Unbelievable really when you think how much the council CHARGES US for taking our rubbish away, and disposing of it responsibly.. 

[shelts]

6 hours ago, pongo88 said:

Colin. He looks in the mirror every morning and tells himself how wonderful he is 

Don't you , I know I do 

[BCFC11]

Bollox to Tomlin, well rid.

[havanatopia]

 

17 hours ago, pongo88 said:

Colin. He looks in the mirror every morning and tells himself how wonderful he is 

Hasn't done him much harm in his line of work has it. Perhaps other managers, not quite so successful, should try it a bit more often!

[Monkeh]

On 8/27/2017 at 10:00, cidercity1987 said:

Really disrupting Cardiff at the moment isnt he

he will do when he gets sent down for 6 months for GBH without intent

[Jerseybean]

Delighted that we sold him.

Can anyone think of another City signing that went sour quite so quickly? 

Tomlin was adored by fans when on loan and throughout the will-we-won't-we sign him period there was almost a frenzy among fans urging us to do a deal. In no time at all the majority of fans are delighted to see him elsewhere.

[cswhitlock]

2 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Delighted that we sold him.

Can anyone think of another City signing that went sour quite so quickly? 

Tomlin was adored by fans when on loan and throughout the will-we-won't-we sign him period there was almost a frenzy among fans urging us to do a deal. In no time at all the majority of fans are delighted to see him elsewhere.

Tony Dining played for the contract then stole a living 

[Charlie BCFC]

Lost his place to some French kiddy

[Jerseybean]

7 minutes ago, cswhitlock said:

Tony Dining played for the contract then stole a living 

Forgotten about Dining: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Dinning

 

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

8 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Delighted that we sold him.

Can anyone think of another City signing that went sour quite so quickly? 

Tomlin was adored by fans when on loan and throughout the will-we-won't-we sign him period there was almost a frenzy among fans urging us to do a deal. In no time at all the majority of fans are delighted to see him elsewhere.

To some extent, Andy Cole.  Signed after a very successful loan spell and started well the following season but soon injured and then (by his own admission) unsettled by interest from other clubs.  Left for Newcastle after barely half a season as a permanent player, for a pittance (well, maybe not a pittance, but I thought £1.75m was a bit of a steal at the time).

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

11 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Forgotten about Dining: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Dinning

 

I don't think Dinning every explained what went wrong at Bristol City, but I suspect there was a story there.  Brian Tinnion's period as manager was far from happy, for all sorts of reasons.

[cswhitlock]

12 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

To some extent, Andy Cole.  Signed after a very successful loan spell and started well the following season but soon injured and then (by his own admission) unsettled by interest from other clubs.  Left for Newcastle after barely half a season as a permanent player, for a pittance (well, maybe not a pittance, but I thought £1.75m was a bit of a steal at the time).

our biggest cock up of all proportions thinking he wouldnt go on to do anything and not putting any sell on clause in to the contract......lost out on vast sum of money when he went for 7 mill to united 

[Taz]

33 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Forgotten about Dining: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Dinning

 

Easily done.

[elhombrecito]

23 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I don't think Dinning every explained what went wrong at Bristol City, but I suspect there was a story there.  Brian Tinnion's period as manager was far from happy, for all sorts of reasons.

Let's not read too much in to it, he was just shit.

[EnderMB]

On 8/27/2017 at 08:54, ashton_fan said:

According to Channel 5 Neil Warnock phoned them and asked them to point out he'd only paid £1.5M for Tomlin not £3M as reported. Apart from the fact that we lost half our original fee doesn't this put Cardiff in breach of contract since the transfer fee was supposed to be undisclosed? Just shows how thin-skinned Warnock is since it put him in a poor light with Tomlin hardly featuring for Cardiff so far.

If Cardiff were in breach of contract, what's the worst that could happen? Tomlin wouldn't be returned to us, and if settled in the courts Cardiff might be fined a few thousand for beaching the rules of the deal, but all in all it's peanuts to a football club when they have the chance to destablise an opponent.

I'm not a fan of Warnock, but in my view he's got no reason to lie. If history shows us anything, we've always sold players on the cheap, and the club would want to hide that when they've built their entire foundation on buying low and selling high. Why else do clubs opt to make a transfer fee undisclosed.

Clubs do it all the time, anyway. One club will say undisclused, and another club will give the future. Neither necessarily needs to be true, but it's all mind games, and it's been going on long enough to indicate that it works.

[BRISTOL86]

On 27/08/2017 at 15:04, REDOXO said:

The two people in football I would trust the least. Colin and Lee Tomlin are made for each other and they know it. Cardiff great start. Tomlin has a goal if not mistaken and will get his chance. Our fee was up to 4m with add ons which I guess we got nowhere near. What we paid upfront and what we got upfront is the issue. Looks like a fat loss! If you pardon the pun. 

No goals for Tomlin so far. 

[RumRed]

7 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

No goals for Tomlin so far. 

Last seasons penalty kick finally landed at the Emirates and trickled over the line, it was at 3.17am last Wednesday does that count?

[Chalkie]

A couple of weeks ago Vincent Tan very publicly slated a previous manager for wasting Tan's money on buying a player where things didn't work out.

 

Malky Mackay: Owner Vincent Tan says ex-Cardiff boss an 'idiot' over Cornelius signing

 

I imagine Warnock has taken pre-emptive action to protect himself, having realised that Tomlin was less of a bargain they he had thought.

The fact that Tomlin has mainly been bench warming" despite Warnock stating that he would build the team around him suggests that all is not well behind the scenes.

[Nibor]

Not sure I'd trust what Colin says, the man has proven himself a liar time and again. I'd have been livid if this were true and the story about his arrest hadn't come out but as it has I think the club did the best thing under the circumstances and as good a player as Tomlin is to watch if he's a nob then it's counter productive having him around. Just a shame in that case that we signed him in the first place without realising. 

[Chalkie]

We signed him because people were embarrassing themselves stalking him on social media.

If we had not have signed him it would have been LJ's fault for missing an opportunity.

 

[Nibor]

2 minutes ago, Chalkie said:

We signed him because people were embarrassing themselves stalking him on social media.

If we had not have signed him it would have been LJ's fault for missing an opportunity.

I highly doubt that fans tweets made us go out and spend £3-3.5m on a transfer fee and the same again on wages.  

There'd have been disappointment if we hadn't tried to sign him yes but that would have evaporated as soon as we'd signed an alternative.

[Monkeh]

1 minute ago, Keyardiv said:

Several people will know what the fee was, at your club as well as ours. Do you honestly think he would go on the record and just lie about it? 

yes, just like every manager and football club do daily

[Nibor]

1 minute ago, Keyardiv said:

Several people will know what the fee was, at your club as well as ours. Do you honestly think he would go on the record and just lie about it? 

Of course, he has a track record of bare faced lying in public to protect himself over many decades.  He's got no integrity at all.

[Nibor]

6 minutes ago, Keyardiv said:

Some examples?

Here's the most famous, lying through his teeth after telling his players to get sent off.

 

[Nibor]

1 minute ago, Keyardiv said:

Given that you know he's lying and as your club hasn't corrected him, would you like to share the specifics of the deal?

I think you've misunderstood, I said I wouldn't trust a word he says because he's a liar, not anything about this particular occasion.  Look it's ok to be upset that your club is managed by a horrific scumbag, you don't need to be so defensive about it.  

[Nibor]

1 minute ago, Keyardiv said:

A pretty pointless comment really then.

No, not really.  It was worth pointing out the suspect source as a liar so people remember not to be too trusting.  Was there any point you wanted to make or were you just here for a bit of a cry?

[Monkeh]

8 minutes ago, Keyardiv said:

Given that you know he's lying and as your club hasn't corrected him, would you like to share the specifics of the deal?

we don't air our grievances in public

[WhistleHappy]

9 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

we don't air our grievances in public

Pity...... I used to love watching Saint and Grievsie .....

Oops, I mean Greavsie, my mistake.  

 

[REDOXO]

3 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said:

No goals for Tomlin so far. 

You are right. I got it in my head he scored in the league cup. 

[shelts]

4 hours ago, cswhitlock said:

our biggest cock up of all proportions thinking he wouldnt go on to do anything and not putting any sell on clause in to the contract......lost out on vast sum of money when he went for 7 mill to united 

I don't think we forgot to put in a clause , it was part of the deal that it wasn't put in . 

[downendcity]

2 hours ago, Keyardiv said:

Several people will know what the fee was, at your club as well as ours. Do you honestly think he would go out of his way to go on the record and just lie about it? 

Theere are City fans who don't believe a word they are told by our he'd coach and owner, so they certainly aren't going to believe what Warnock says!

Having said that, some City fans are so perverse that while they would not believe a word said by Lee Johnson they probably would believe what Warnock ( a proven experienced Championship manager) says.

 

[SecretSam]

On 27/08/2017 at 08:59, daored said:

public knowledge Tomlin has been charged.

News to me, been away. What did he do (allegedly)?

[Chalkie]

1 hour ago, SecretSam said:

News to me, been away. What did he do (allegedly)?

Lee Tomlin and Billy Kee charged with grievous bodily harm

 

Link from Sky website but reported widely in both the national and regional rags.

[Monkeh]

8 hours ago, Keyardiv said:

So you don't think Tan would know what we really paid for Tomlin either? So Warnock can just make a figure up and ring up a TV station in an attempt to deliberately mislead him. And all the other officials at the club go along with this deception of the club's owner too. This gets more intruiging all the time.

of course he would but he wouldn't want the fans to know how much they have over paid, this is tan, the man who made you play in red

[wayne allisons tongues]

CW was on Radio 5 Monday evening, said he paid £1.5m plus various add ons including promotion.

He didn't say how much add ons were but would gladly pay them if they got promoted for one by sounds of his char was a largish promotion clause.

[Rudolf Hucker]

19 hours ago, Keyardiv said:

You really are a master at this banter malarkey aren't you. I was just questioning your suggestion it may be a lie. People may not like him but I'd be surprised if he did that. Not least because several other people will know the specifics of the deal, who could easily call him up on it. Unlike us who just speculate. 

@Nibor = masterbanter 

[Xiled]

TBH, if we got £1.5M for Tomlin, we dodged a bullet.  I'm sure getting his wages off the balance sheet will have helped considerably when it comes to negotiating new deals with existing players.  He was inevitably one of our higher (if not our highest) earners.  And the whole of last season was evidence of his inability to work within various formations.  Look it up in a dictionary and the word 'disharmony' has a picture of Lee Tomlin within the description.

I would love to see Warnock actually put him on the pitch a bit more.  Then the sparks will fly.  Cardiff, you bought yourself an expensive sub with a GBH charge.

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

On 8/29/2017 at 10:06, cswhitlock said:

Tony Dining played for the contract then stole a living 

Bloody right he did and Paul Mortimer....

[Norn Iron]

Just a thought, but with recent court cases involving tweets that are in the public domain, when will we have to type "in my opinion" or "allegedly"?

Neil W has thick skin so I can't see him taking otib members to court for libel. I'm sure Neil would put it down to "Banter".

I don't think Tony Dinning would have a case either that posts on here affected his career.  

However,  there might be other parties who would feel otherwise.

I'm interested in what the legalities are re posts on otib.

 

[Monkeh]

27 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

Bloody right he did and Paul Mortimer....

and carl hutchings

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

I forget the list was quite so long, that was horrible for a while.