RumRed Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, cityred exile said: Both say NO NO NO I Say YES YES YES !! One didn't sign his paperwork in time by the sounds of it and the other the club appear to have overvalued so is still on our books. Yay, I'll grab the bunting and put a Victoria sponge in the oven.
Selred Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 £7 mil of CB on the bench for the rest of the year is a shame. (Going purely on we'd only accept £5m for Flint and the near £2m loan fee for Mags). Especially when I rate Hegeler higher than both of them. Think we'd be lucky to get £2m for Flint in Jan.
wendyredredrobin Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 I like both Flint and Maggs. Unfortunately, our defence is looking pretty good without them. Maggs is prwtty handy though being able to play at centre and left back and his ling throws are awesome. Unsure what will happen with Flint though since the deadline has now passed. As long as the current defence is working, I see no reason to change it.
WhistleHappy Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: I like both Flint and Maggs. Unfortunately, our defence is looking pretty good without them. Maggs is prwtty handy though being able to play at centre and left back and his ling throws are awesome. Unsure what will happen with Flint though since the deadline has now passed. As long as the current defence is working, I see no reason to change it. Awesome ling throws are impressive enough but can't see what use they are on a football pitch. a ling on a football field would be like a fish out of water.
Rocking Red Cyril Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 23 minutes ago, RumRed said: One didn't sign his paperwork in time by the sounds of it and the other the club appear to have overvalued so is still on our books. Yay, I'll grab the bunting and put a Victoria sponge in the oven. So who did not sign on time with who and which one is overvalued?
RumRed Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 TBF the Maggers story defies belief so I think we need that one to come out in the wash. Flint I think the club overvalued, whether it was the club or the player who wanted out who knows (I'm sure some do, but I don't ) but the situation appears to have been Dealt with questionably whatever.
wendyredredrobin Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said: Awesome ling throws are impressive enough but can't see what use they are on a football pitch. a ling on a football field would be like a fish out of water. That's the trouble with smartphone keyboards and fat fingers.
Leveller Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, RumRed said: TBF the Maggers story defies belief so I think we need that one to come out in the wash. Flint I think the club overvalued, whether it was the club or the player who wanted out who knows (I'm sure some do, but I don't ) but the situation appears to have been Dealt with questionably whatever. I think I read that Liverpool managed the same trick when trying to send Ryan Kent to Germany?
Davefevs Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 I think Flint will fetch more than £5m if he goes in January.
Major Isewater Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 6 hours ago, WhistleHappy said: Awesome ling throws are impressive enough but can't see what use they are on a football pitch. a ling on a football field would be like a fish out of water. Isn't Luke doing ok at Leeds ?
brizzlelou Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think Flint will fetch more than £5m if he goes in January. I was thinking 3-3.5m and I'd be happy with that to be honest. This window was mental and I think a lot of teams are going to curb the spending from now a bit. I think there may now be a sense that something could be about to stop this obscene spending.
Red white and red Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 I think flint will be back in the fold. Now he and everyone else knows he's not going anywhere for at least 4 months. I can see him playing quite regularly either to keep match fitness for the shop window or to stay at city.
Super Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Leveller said: I think I read that Liverpool managed the same trick when trying to send Ryan Kent to Germany? They got 6m for Origi going to Germany. Not sure about Kent.
ashton_fan Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 LJ's going to have a few unhappy CB's to deal with, if no injuries then Flint and Maggs are going to be kicking their heels apart from the odd cup game. At least Hegeler can be used in midfield if required.
Major Isewater Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: LJ's going to have a few unhappy CB's to deal with, if no injuries then Flint and Maggs are going to be kicking their heels apart from the odd cup game. At least Hegeler can be used in midfield if required. Mags can be used at left back and Flint , he plays where he wants .
Jack Dawe Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 LJ is the new Pulis: not enough goals but defensively robust, cupboard brim full - nay, spilling over - with centre backs, not hugely popular with his crowd despite an improving league position, not much of a player in his day.....
RedM Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, brizzlelou said: I was thinking 3-3.5m and I'd be happy with that to be honest. This window was mental and I think a lot of teams are going to curb the spending from now a bit. I think there may now be a sense that something could be about to stop this obscene spending. Apparently the Championship spent less this window than last Summer, but they are putting that down to Newcastle spending big back then and of course are no longer a Championship side.
zombie Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: LJ is the new Pulis: not enough goals but defensively robust, cupboard brim full - nay, spilling over - with centre backs, not hugely popular with his crowd despite an improving league position, not much of a player in his day..... Thanks for speaking for the crowd. Although I think you go to a different Ashton Gate to me, none of the many people I know down there, speak to or sit near seem to dislike Lee as much as you and a few of your buddies, maybe Lee isn't universally popular yet, but I get the feeling most people have or are warming to him and his ideas. Genuine question, are you one of the 'boycotters'? I ask as you talk as though you've not seen us play this season. In August we scored 15 goals (hardly "not enough goals") and played some good attacking football btw, maybe if you spend less time having a go at the management and come and watch you'd see for yourself. One more thing, what has Lee's playing career got to do with anything? Personally I would've been delighted if I was "not much of player" playing in the Championship, including a play-off final at Wembley.
zombie Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 31 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: LJ is the new Pulis: not enough goals but defensively robust, cupboard brim full - nay, spilling over - with centre backs, not hugely popular with his crowd despite an improving league position, not much of a player in his day..... Also, no one deserves to be compared with TP, when he was here I despised him as much as your little like minded group hate Lee, although my hatred was for the the way he had us playing, how he was running the club and his transfers. My hatred was was based on what I was watching, not my refusal to get over a bad run/grudge like you and the anti-Lee brigade.
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 LJ as Pulis...no. I remember Pulis, my first full season- was so happy when he quit, when he was poached from us. The football is nowhere near as bad as it was under Pulis, his was the most basic of long ball football with us IIRC. Plus the Rovers connection- no.
Bobbie Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Tony Pulis is the only manager I've ever really disliked. I think Lee is a young inexpereinced English manager who is giving his all, learning fast and deserves our backing. Personally, I'm proud the club stood bye him when many others would not have. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 10 hours ago, WhistleHappy said: Awesome ling throws are impressive enough but can't see what use they are on a football pitch. a ling on a football field would be like a fish out of water. I thought ling was lucky heather. We need summa that.
Nibor Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 10 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: £2m loan fee No chance Yeah. Loan with £2m fee agreed for a perm seems more likely.
brizzlelou Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, RedM said: Apparently the Championship spent less this window than last Summer, but they are putting that down to Newcastle spending big back then and of course are no longer a Championship side. Think I heard yesterday on the worlds most unreliable ITK show that is jim white show that Newcastle didn't even spend anything since LAST summer. On another note, rumours going around today that Benitez is about to ship off himself anyway. Left the Newcastle training ground at 3pm yesterday as he was told they wouldn't make any signings he wanted. Purely speculation of course but what the hell is Ashley up to? That manager is adored by the fans and the best thing to happen to them since KK. Imagine having him here? My God!
ashton_fan Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Major Isewater said: Mags can be used at left back and Flint , he plays where he wants . I think Lloyd Kelly will be the reserve LB what with his England call-up and the fact he hasn't been put out on loan
Monkeh Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 59 minutes ago, zombie said: Thanks for speaking for the crowd. Although I think you go to a different Ashton Gate to me, none of the many people I know down there, speak to or sit near seem to dislike Lee as much as you and a few of your buddies, maybe Lee isn't universally popular yet, but I get the feeling most people have or are warming to him and his ideas. Genuine question, are you one of the 'boycotters'? I ask as you talk as though you've not seen us play this season. In August we scored 15 goals (hardly "not enough goals") and played some good attacking football btw, maybe if you spend less time having a go at the management and come and watch you'd see for yourself. One more thing, what has Lee's playing career got to do with anything? Personally I would've been delighted if I was "not much of player" playing in the Championship, including a play-off final at Wembley. I've always liked him, as a player and as a person, i just don't think he is a head coach, or should be our head coach but most of those anti johnson have a deep seated unhealthy haterid and make it personal, thats what I can't stand
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, zombie said: One more thing, what has Lee's playing career got to do with anything? Personally I would've been delighted if I was "not much of player" playing in the Championship, including a play-off final at Wembley. Well, he certainly wouldn't be City's head coach if he hadn't played for us, would he?
Monkeh Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Well, he certainly wouldn't be City's head coach if he hadn't played for us, would he? Prove it
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Monkeh said: Prove it I don't need to monkeh, it's bloody obvious. Or you reckon we'd have given the job to an insignificant and totally unproven 3rd division manager who'd recently taken his club on a record breaking losing run if he wasn't personally known to the board through his playing days at AG? Don't be ridiculous.
zombie Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Well, he certainly wouldn't be City's head coach if he hadn't played for us, would he? We are not his first club, probably won't be his last. However, I agree that it is unlikely he'd be here if he hadn't played here. It happens, football is fickle. Was Shearer the right and most experienced man for the Newcastle job a while back, no, if Rafa walks, is his name likely to be linked again, yes, would they be crazy to appoint him, yes.
TV Tom Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, RedM said: Apparently the Championship spent less this window than last Summer, but they are putting that down to Newcastle spending big back then and of course are no longer a Championship side. I would guess that Wolves spent more in this window than Newcastle did last year
zombie Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 Anyway, back to the topic. I think the club handled the Flint situation well, we should set the value of our players on long contracts value in this highly inflated market. The Hörður move was last minute and a bit left field, we don't know enough about the terms of the deal, why it broke down or who was to be blame for it not going through, it sounds as though we could've acted quicker or knew more about the various European window closing times, potentially our blunder. Not excusing the club, but why not have the closing time euro-wide? How come Spanish clubs can still sign today? Why are Scotland and England different? I reckon the club, the management and most fans would've been happy and wished either player well if any acceptable offer and terms were received, they were not, or at least not in time. It is now a problem the management team have to deal with, fortunately the players involved seem like good lads and are unlikely to cause dressing room upset unlike certain former players if things aren't going their way.
RedM Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, harrys said: I would guess that Wolves spent more in this window than Newcastle did last year @brizzlelou It was just something I heard on BBC Radio 5 Live earlier, I haven't researched it as such, you could well be right.
brizzlelou Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, RedM said: @brizzlelou It was just something I heard on BBC Radio 5 Live earlier, I haven't researched it as such, you could well be right. Pretty sure you're bang on about wolves. They spent a fair bit.
cidered abroad Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Bobbie said: Tony Pulis is the only manager I've ever really disliked. I think Lee is a young inexpereinced English manager who is giving his all, learning fast and deserves our backing. Personally, I'm proud the club stood bye him when many others would not have. Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither will City be built into a bigger club, maybe in the Premier in a day or even one season. But it only takes three or four months to see us well and truly on our way out of this league. In the end, only a great away win at Brighton kept us up last season. Yes LJ is learning but can you honestly say that you feel totally comfortable that we will not replicate last season's dire form? Brentford and Millwall this season already? He's learning from his and his coaches mistakes when an older more experienced head in the coaching staff could be just the thing we need to help all three of them learn a bit quicker. This is the toughest league of all five at the top of our pyramid system. And I would even bet money that it's the hardest second tier league anywhere in the world. Almost every other second tier in Europe contains big club's "B" teams and only have 16 or 18 teams so well under 40 games per season. Two games a week, endlessly it seems at times, and the quality of all the other clubs means it a merciless league with no hiding place. I'm still to be convinced that our Head Coach will prove to be good enough at this level. I support City and always will but that doesn't mean we all have to blindly adore any of the coaching and playing staff and ignore their failings. They are all here today and gone tomorrow. But we all continue year in, year out.
Malago Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 LJ is what he is, a young man learning on the job. Did he over bullshit to hide his inexperience? Yes. Has he toned it down? I believe so. Did he over complicate tactics and team selection last year? Yes. Did he dig us out of the hole he got us in? Yes This is a disagreement that will run and run, but the club having invested a lot of time and money in LJ would be foolish to pull the plug on him anytime soon. The.squad looks well balanced and for my part I'm happy to be patient to see how he progresses.
PHILINFRANCE Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 5 hours ago, RedM said: @brizzlelou It was just something I heard on BBC Radio 5 Live earlier, I haven't researched it as such, you could well be right. Actually, I suspect you probably are right. @brizzlelou was actually saying 'that Newcastle didn't even spend anything since LAST summer.' I interpret that as they did, indeed, spend a lot last summer (Gayle etc.), but have spent nothing since - hence the reason Rafa is so disappointed, especially having received more false promises from Ashley.
joe jordans teeth Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 7 hours ago, Bobbie said: Tony Pulis is the only manager I've ever really disliked. I think Lee is a young inexpereinced English manager who is giving his all, learning fast and deserves our backing. Personally, I'm proud the club stood bye him when many others would not have. Rome wasn't built in a day. With you on pulis but hasn't turned out to be a bad manager tbf to the Welsh gas****. How long did Rome take to build out of interest?
Bobbie Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said: With you on pulis but hasn't turned out to be a bad manager tbf to the Welsh gas****. How long did Rome take to build out of interest? 5 years and they smashed the Europa league
WhistleHappy Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 13 hours ago, Juan Kerr said: I thought ling was lucky heather. We need summa that. I thought Lucky Heather was the girl who left the party early just before Rudolph Hucker walked into the room..
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 Mags currently playing for Iceland v Finland on Sky red button if anyone interested
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Mags currently playing for Iceland v Finland on Sky red button if anyone interested 1-0 down to a superb free kick. Mags is getting forward quite a bit but Finland aren`t really attacking that much.
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 HT still 1-0. Pretty poor game, no real quality from either side except for the free kick.
bristolcitysweden Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 A hughe dissappointment Flint is still around allthough the sale. His agent has screwed it up massively.
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 Iceland down to 10. They`re losing the plot a bit and flying into tackles.
chinapig Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 So you would drop Wright or Baker who are both playing well for a player who started well last season but got steadily worse? What he does for Iceland is less relevant than how he performs for us compared to the players he is in competition with. That's why he is third or fourth choice. His time may come but there are no grounds for picking him now.
leadman Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 zee german played well first 2 games and carry's the ball better than anyone, he dropped him.
JoeAman08 Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 On 01/09/2017 at 11:24, harrys said: I would guess that Wolves spent more in this window than Newcastle did last year Wolves spent big on one player. Think 20m overall unless I'm forgetting someone. A lot of loans and free transfers. Their wage bill must be high though. Newcastle spent more on Gayle and Ritchie alone. Though they offset it with sales quite a bit more than Wolves have
REDOXO Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 On 9/1/2017 at 05:02, Nogbad the Bad said: Well, he certainly wouldn't be City's head coach if he hadn't played for us, would he? Obviously On 9/1/2017 at 05:04, Monkeh said: Prove it :laugh: On 9/1/2017 at 05:09, Nogbad the Bad said: I don't need to monkeh, it's bloody obvious. Or you reckon we'd have given the job to an insignificant and totally unproven 3rd division manager who'd recently taken his club on a record breaking losing run if he wasn't personally known to the board through his playing days at AG? Don't be ridiculous. Explanation...The thought one was required to the blatantly obvious is astounding!
chinapig Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 18 minutes ago, Bullbag said: HM is a left back so why would Wright or Baker have to be dropped? Because we signed him to play centre back, which was where he was playing in Italy. You are presumably suggesting Bryan should be dropped in his favour however. Again I don't see any grounds for that, especially as Mags is not an attacking full back.
CotswoldRed Posted September 2, 2017 Posted September 2, 2017 Something to help you Flint, given you didn't get enough of this.... ££££
Jack Dawe Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 On 01/09/2017 at 09:55, zombie said: Thanks for speaking for the crowd. Although I think you go to a different Ashton Gate to me, none of the many people I know down there, speak to or sit near seem to dislike Lee as much as you and a few of your buddies, maybe Lee isn't universally popular yet, but I get the feeling most people have or are warming to him and his ideas. Genuine question, are you one of the 'boycotters'? I ask as you talk as though you've not seen us play this season. In August we scored 15 goals (hardly "not enough goals") and played some good attacking football btw, maybe if you spend less time having a go at the management and come and watch you'd see for yourself. One more thing, what has Lee's playing career got to do with anything? Personally I would've been delighted if I was "not much of player" playing in the Championship, including a play-off final at Wembley. It wasn't a serious point - I thought this was obvious; the comparison is stretching it a bit - but never mind. No, I've never been a boycotter, I did not join the call to boycott last season, I have watched this club in all four divisions. And this season. I have seen much, much worse. I just remember the last bloke that said "Europe in 5 years" and would prefer we talk ourselves up once we have achieved something - if we must do so - not when we have just avoided relegation, and have it all to do. I do like to throw my toys out of the pram when we are rubbish, it's satisfyingly cathartic (for a while) and think that those that are different and more level-headed can avoid this forum or use the ignore facility on here (but interestingly, often choose not to). I do see how the unrelenting negativity is tiresome for those more sanguine. But please, put me on ignore! Either that or "maybe" lighten up a little?
42nite Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 16 hours ago, Bullbag said: Watching the Iceland game, and Magnússon has been class. Just made one last ditch tackle to deny a certain goal. How the hell he isn't in our starting eleven is quite laughable. Mind you, LJ is head coach, that'll be why. Maybe if we played Finland every week he'd get a few more games?
TBW Posted September 3, 2017 Posted September 3, 2017 16 hours ago, Bullbag said: HM is a left back so why would Wright or Baker have to be dropped? No he's not. Not really.
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