Prem Transfer Window To Close Before Season Start

[Nomad]

From next season, the window will close at 17:00 BST on the Thursday before the Premier League season begins.

Anyone think the football league will follow suit? If so will it be the same time as the Prem or the Thursday before the start of the football league start?

Personally I've never liked the season starting and business still being done.

[Red Army 75]

5 minutes ago, Nomad said:

From next season, the window will close at 17:00 BST on the Thursday before the Premier League season begins.

Anyone think the football league will follow suit? If so will it be the same time as the Prem or the Thursday before the start of the football league start?

Personally I've never liked the season starting and business still being done.

Agree. I think teams abroad will still be able to buy players in England when our window closes. Only downside. I hope the football league follows suit . 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

I think so. There is a clear growing movement towards closing the window before the season starts, and I expect City to vote in favour of such a move. 

Personally, I would be happy for it to happen. 

[Major Isewater]

So long as clubs can't transfer out players to other countries after the window closes in England seems a good idea. 

 

[Cunnyfunt]

Watch now.. a couple of injuries to key players after the season starts and the managers will be crying out for the previous window to get cover in. 

[Lrrr]

Managers will then complain saying we had very good offers for our players but couldn't accept as we couldn't get a replacement in. 

[Up The City!]

They are just screwing themselves over surely?

[Jin]

Unless European leagues etc. follow suit then teams in the prem are at a disadvantage.

If the Football League do the same then our recent reputation of buying abroad will become more difficult to an extent.

[Lrrr]

Seen someone point out its also going to be hard doing this for a first time in a world cup year, lots of players away and not around during pre-season.

[ExiledAjax]

6 minutes ago, hodge said:

Seen someone point out its also going to be hard doing this for a first time in a world cup year, lots of players away and not around during pre-season.

The English players won't be away for too long.

[Lrrr]

2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

The English players won't be away for too long.

English players play in the premier league? 

[Carey 6]

Whilst this is a good idea in theory, until they had an agreement with the rest of Europe on it, it is stupid. 

Believe the managers/owners biggest gripe was players wanting to leave once the seasons started and being unsettled by the buying team. 

This changes nothing in that sense, once the window shuts and Premier league sides can no longer sign players, they can still lose them, it just makes them impossible to replace & they'll have to wait until January to do so. Players will still be angling for a move until the buying clubs window is shut.

Peter Coates (Stoke chairman) was just on Talksport saying the Prem sides will just refuse to do business after that date, well that's all well and good until a club from elsewhere in Europe triggers a release clause and then they're f*****

I also noticed 5 of the 20 clubs voted against these proposals. Wouldn't surprise me if these 5 clubs were Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal etc, whos players are more likely to be poached by the likes of Barca/Real Madrid. 

 

[Nomad]

1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

So long as clubs can't transfer out players to other countries after the window closes in England seems a good idea. 

 

They can Major. Until the deadline day in Europe.

[Super]

Not likely to affect us.......

actually it will as we won't be able to bring anyone in from the Prem.

[50cal]

If the transfer window had closed this year at the start of the season then Aden Flint would have probably not been affected by the tranfer speculation the club wouldn't have to wrap him in cotton wool and payed his wages in full for 3 weeks without him playing and we would have a squad fully committed to the cause....

I understand that there are pro's and Con's to the argument.

I for one am happy that clubs have voted for the transfer window to close at the start of the season.

Fans up and down the country pay a lot of money to see the club's best players playing for their respective teams from the start of the season not 6 weeks in (Sanchez at Arsenal) , (Coutinho at Liverpool) hopefully the decision taken will encourage other leagues around Europe to follow suit

[pongo88]

A much better solution would be for UEFA to scrap the transfer widow completely.  Transfers used to run smoothly throughout the season, with only a slight rush before the March deadline for signings. 

[Bar BS3]

This is likely to increase the market value of lower league players, especially Championship, even further. 

If after the start of the season, Championship clubs can't turn to fringe/youth premier league players, this in demand from elsewhere will surely cost more..? 

[Meh]

Would loans end on the same date or have an extension? Might be good for lower league teams if there was another 2 weeks for loans - might tempt some more quality our way as Prem teams offload some fringe players for game experience 

[Cunnyfunt]

2 hours ago, hodge said:

Seen someone point out its also going to be hard doing this for a first time in a world cup year, lots of players away and not around during pre-season.

Very little time to get business done. Should bring mayhem to the Prem clubs scrambling around trying to get deals done. Many of them rushed. 

[Lanterne Rouge]

2 hours ago, Super said:

Not likely to affect us.......

actually it will as we won't be able to bring anyone in from the Prem.

We would though I guess. If the league window goes on beyond the prem one then we could take players from them but couldn`t sell anyone to them.

[Lrrr]

34 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

We would though I guess. If the league window goes on beyond the prem one then we could take players from them but couldn`t sell anyone to them.

Yeah, just like teams abroad can buy players from the prem.

[Taz]

I thought that one of the arguments they were using is that it unsettles players (poor darlings), and disrupts the squad and preparation? 

Let's take the Couthino as an example (biggest one of the window). Prem window closes before the season starts, whereas the Spanish window doesn't close until the end of August. How does the Barcelona interest in said player, which could carry on until the end of August, have any relation to when the Prem window closes? If he's going to be unsettled, he's going to be unsettled. Just means that Barcelona can still buy him and that Liverpool cant replace until the next window.

Personally I think that the Premiership clubs have decided to do this, in the hope that everyone else will follow suit and "fall in line".

Actually every other club around the world, including the rest of England, will be the only ones to benefit, as it leaves clubs like us the chance to loan the players that haven't started the season at their Prem clubs.

Bewildered by this one I must admit.

[Nongazeuse]

20 hours ago, pongo88 said:

A much better solution would be for UEFA to scrap the transfer widow completely.  Transfers used to run smoothly throughout the season, with only a slight rush before the March deadline for signings. 

Is a Transfer Widow the wife of a football  agent at certain times of the season?

[Inactive user]

You'd think there's only one division in English football the way this is being covered. How can the PL make a unilateral decision without having alignment with the FL? It's nuts.

[RedM]

I understand their reasoning, but what about January, the players play all through that? Or are they looking for a mid winter break and that's when transfers will be done. That wouldn't surprise me.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

Of the big European leagues, I expect the German Bundesliga to follow The Premiership lead, and possibly the Spanish Liga. The italian series A may wish to stick with the present system, as perhaps will the smaller leagues, but I will watch with interest. 

[joe jordans teeth]

5 hours ago, Taz said:

I thought that one of the arguments they were using is that it unsettles players (poor darlings), and disrupts the squad and preparation? 

Let's take the Couthino as an example (biggest one of the window). Prem window closes before the season starts, whereas the Spanish window doesn't close until the end of August. How does the Barcelona interest in said player, which could carry on until the end of August, have any relation to when the Prem window closes? If he's going to be unsettled, he's going to be unsettled. Just means that Barcelona can still buy him and that Liverpool cant replace until the next window.

Personally I think that the Premiership clubs have decided to do this, in the hope that everyone else will follow suit and "fall in line".

Actually every other club around the world, including the rest of England, will be the only ones to benefit, as it leaves clubs like us the chance to loan the players that haven't started the season at their Prem clubs.

Bewildered by this one I must admit.

Think this window has shown that it makes perfect sense,with the tv money our clubs get they can afford to turn down big bids now and to hell with the player having his head turned. Imagine the transfer fees required to get a player out of a English club once our window is closed 

[Mr Popodopolous]

The disruption point, though technically able to hold the player- a stance I agree with, you would have 2-3 weeks of agitating and disruption if a player wanted out, during the season. That would change dynamics a bit.

In fact of the other 4 big Leagues other than England- France, Germany, Italy all seem favourable.

It's a double edged sword also- less time to strengthen which gives foreign clubs less time than they currently would have to when it comes to resisting bids from PL clubs.

[joe jordans teeth]

4 hours ago, Rednwhiterob said:

You'd think there's only one division in English football the way this is being covered. How can the PL make a unilateral decision without having alignment with the FL? It's nuts.

The Fl have a planned meeting and  no doubt will do the same,the old chestnut of a team getting promoted through the playoffs not having enough time to do their dealings may come a reality tho

[Davefevs]

18 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Think this window has shown that it makes perfect sense,with the tv money our clubs get they can afford to turn down big bids now and to hell with the player having his head turned. Imagine the transfer fees required to get a player out of a English club once our window is closed 

You pretty much said what I would've.

I do think there has been a slight shift away from player power, not huge, but a bit...and you are right that if a manager sets his squad up for the start of the season, unless he has stockpiled, it's gonna take an exaggerated offer to sell a player.

People worried about the time between end of World Cup and start of season.

- Rule 1 don't buy a player based on his performance at a summer tournanent

- Rule 2 don't buy a player based on his performance at a summer tournanent

I would like to see some rework of the loan rules.  

- No 'in-division' loans unless full terms of player's contract are fulfilled, e.g. None of this paying 50% of wages.

- shorter loans possible, e.g. One month, 3 months, but a limit on the amount at any one time, and a limit overall, possibly a limit on the total months worth of loans, e.g. 24 months, so you can have 2 players on full season, or 8 on 3 months, or something like that.

[Lanterne Rouge]

5 hours ago, Davefevs said:

You pretty much said what I would've.

I do think there has been a slight shift away from player power, not huge, but a bit...and you are right that if a manager sets his squad up for the start of the season, unless he has stockpiled, it's gonna take an exaggerated offer to sell a player.

People worried about the time between end of World Cup and start of season.

- Rule 1 don't buy a player based on his performance at a summer tournanent

- Rule 2 don't buy a player based on his performance at a summer tournanent

I would like to see some rework of the loan rules.  

- No 'in-division' loans unless full terms of player's contract are fulfilled, e.g. None of this paying 50% of wages.

- shorter loans possible, e.g. One month, 3 months, but a limit on the amount at any one time, and a limit overall, possibly a limit on the total months worth of loans, e.g. 24 months, so you can have 2 players on full season, or 8 on 3 months, or something like that.

I`ve said it many times Dave, the simplest way to sort out the loan system is to just have no restrictions on players under 23 and keep the rest as it is now.

[Davefevs]

Yes, like the u23 thing 

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, like the u23 thing 

It`s just such a simple solution. If we have a young player we want to loan out, send him to a league 2 club and he tears it up we ought to be able to recall him and send him to a league 1 side if we want - with suitable compo or another player perhaps to the league 2 club - to see if he can step up. There should be no limit to the number of clubs U23s are allowed to play for or the number of times they could be loaned out in a season. It would be win-win for everyone - the player gets proper game time in men`s football, the lower club gets a player that they wouldn`t normally be able to afford and our player gets valuable experience.

It would also allow us to recall a player if we felt the loaning club weren`t treating him properly - if they changed manager for instance and the new bloke didn`t fancy him.

It would also mean that we don`t need to keep players at the club `just in case` and sticking them in the U23s.

It just works on so many levels. I fear for the many talented youngsters that will just drift out of the game due to the stupid way the rules are currently structured.

[Major Isewater]

Tonight sees us play against Jota for the second time this season .

We may face him three times in the league this year . 

[Major Isewater]

On 07/09/2017 at 17:36, Nomad said:

They can Major. Until the deadline day in Europe.

Absurd decision. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

To add to this, rumour today that the January window maybe for the chop.

[Major Isewater]

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

To add to this, rumour today that the January window maybe for the chop.

So the whole season's transfer activity would take place in the time between the end of one season and the start of the next , eight weeks , more or less . 

It would be bedlam. 

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

So the whole season's transfer activity would take place in the time between the end of one season and the start of the next , eight weeks , more or less . 

It would be bedlam. 

 

Agreed.

Would be surprised if it happened tbh, as you say would be too little time for all. On the other hand, and this is a small argument in favour but overall I'm not a fan of it, it would really be a test of managerial abilities. To work with what players they have a lot more, as opposed to buying way out of trouble- would certainly put some of the big boys on the spot too.

[Major Isewater]

36 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Agreed.

Would be surprised if it happened tbh, as you say would be too little time for all. On the other hand, and this is a small argument in favour but overall I'm not a fan of it, it would really be a test of managerial abilities. To work with what players they have a lot more, as opposed to buying way out of trouble- would certainly put some of the big boys on the spot too.

I think the ' big boys ' will be alright Mr P. , as always it will be the ' have nots ' and the ' wannabes ' that get shafted.

[JasonM88]

1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

Tonight sees us play against Jota for the second time this season .

We may face him three times in the league this year . 

Wrong. Different Jota

[Major Isewater]

20 minutes ago, JasonM88 said:

Wrong. Different Jota

Just testing  but you get the point I'm sure .

Along with the prize for paying attention.

Jota , or ' Smith ' in English , is evidently a common name in Spain .

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

I think the ' big boys ' will be alright Mr P. , as always it will be the ' have nots ' and the ' wannabes ' that get shafted.

In most cases Major yes.

It would be fascinating though to see a big team say 4 places off the top 4, unable to buy their way out of issues and their coach- new or current- have to manage, manoeuvre rather than spend their way out of the more.