Headbutt after the game on a 12 year old

[WSMRobin]

To the bloke who had his 12 year old son headbutted by a reading fan after the game, hope you report it and it was recorded. No place for that in any walk of life. Hope your boy is ok

[SedRA]

11 minutes ago, WSMRobin said:

To the bloke who had his 12 year old son headbutted by a reading fan after the game, hope you report it and it was recorded. No place for that in any walk of life. Hope your boy is ok

Seriously? WTF 

[Rossi the Robin]

Source? I'm always suspicious of these posts off relatively new posters - sorry no offence if genuine OP

 

[WSMRobin]

No offence taken, it happen, really. Source, me and those around. Disgraceful. Don't know how his father restrained himself tbh

[JulieH]

Officers from Avon and Somerset were there today, I can make enquires to see if it was reported on Monday with Thames valley police 

[WSMRobin]

Well, one of the reading stewards asked the father if he wanted to report it and there were cameras around the ground. The father said he would call tomorrow

[RumRed]

The father seems to have been pretty calm about the whole thing, odd.

[WSMRobin]

He wasn't calm, just didn't hit the chap

[RumRed]

3 minutes ago, WSMRobin said:

He wasn't calm, just didn't hit the chap

Sensible plan tbf.  Just thought there would be enough coppers around to get it sorted at the time.

[glynriley]

10 minutes ago, WSMRobin said:

No offence taken, it happen, really. Source, me and those around. Disgraceful. Don't know how his father restrained himself tbh

How did anyone who witnessed it?? Unless it was another 12 year old doing the headbutting, why aren't you kicking the crap out of him??

[Bar BS3]

7 minutes ago, WSMRobin said:

He wasn't calm, just didn't hit the chap

Or report it..? 

If someone (unprovoked) headbuted by innocent young son as we were passing by, I'd be up on a GBH charge at best! 

[WSMRobin]

5 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Or report it..? 

If someone (unprovoked) headbuted by innocent young son as we were passing by, I'd be up on a GBH charge at best! 

Exactly. Hope it gets reported and dealt with appropriately

[WSMRobin]

11 minutes ago, glynriley said:

How did anyone who witnessed it?? Unless it was another 12 year old doing the headbutting, why aren't you kicking the crap out of him??

I was with my 8 year old. More my concern at the time and setting a real example

[RumRed]

4 minutes ago, WSMRobin said:

I was with my 8 year old. More my concern at the time and setting a real example

This wasn't an adult surely?

[WSMRobin]

Early to mid 20s id say

[glynriley]

8 minutes ago, WSMRobin said:

I was with my 8 year old. More my concern at the time and setting a real example

Fair enough mate. I may have restrained myself if I had a young un in tow. Can't vouch for it mind. I think I may have been inclined to kick 7 colours out of the****

[WSMRobin]

2 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Fair enough mate. I may have restrained myself if I had a young un in tow. Can't vouch for it mind. I think I may have been inclined to kick 7 colours out of the****

I agree with you

[Robbored]

29 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Unless it was another 12 year old doing the headbutting, why aren't you kicking the crap out of him??

Because then you are committing an violent offence and you never know how the local cops will react. Definitely wouldn't thump anyone with WMP around....................

[glynriley]

7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Because then you are committing an violent offence and you never know how the local cops will react. Definitely wouldn't thump anyone with WMP around....................

In Berkshire  

[Robin 101]

47 minutes ago, WSMRobin said:

Well, one of the reading stewards asked the father if he wanted to report it and there were cameras around the ground. The father said he would call tomorrow

So a 20 something bloke heatbutts a 12 year old and not one person does a thing in retaliation? Rather than instantly calling the police and giving a description time date etc the father says he'll call the cops the next day. Very odd circumstances around what sounds like an brutal, horrific assult on a child by a grown man in public

[shelts]

43 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Or report it..? 

If someone (unprovoked) headbuted by innocent young son as we were passing by, I'd be up on a GBH charge at best! 

I think the same . Unfortunately/fortunately not all people think like us 

[Charlie BCFC]

The Reading fan who did it should be ashamed of himself. No place for pricks like this in football.

[slartibartfast]

I take it this didn't happen  in close proximity to any of our "lads" !   Sums up Reading over the years, bunch of pusseys can only pick on 12 year olds ! 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

Personally haven't been a reading games for the best part of 10 years been twice since it was the new ground.  Once was coined as TVP filmed it and stopped me from moving under allocated seating.  And once was chasses across a car park after being bundled into a bus by TVP at the train station.  Faith in TVP 0.

[TV Tom]

5 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

I take it this didn't happen  in close proximity to any of our "lads" !   Sums up Reading over the years, bunch of pusseys can only pick on 12 year olds ! 

I'v never known Reading to have any sort of firm, they're all busy watching Chelsea!!

[Red]

If the 12 yr old was head butted was there any injury to his head?

[East Bristol is Red]

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

[Dollymarie]

9 minutes ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

@JulieH would be best placed to answer this. 

[Son of Fred]

15 minutes ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

Credit to you sir-very awkward situation handled for the best....hope this experience doesn't put the lads off of attending matches.

[BobBobSuperBob]

23 minutes ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

Fair play EBIR

Puts some explanation into the original post and account

When I read it, like others I was shocked and couldn't understand why others nearby hadn't acted - rightly or wrongly I would of if  I'd seen a young lad headbutted (whichever 'side' the perpetrator and victim came from ) 

Your explanation makes sense and I applaud you for pursuing the little runt and your restraint in not going further , which would have been easy to do , and understandable 

Id suggest that your pursuit and obvious and understandable anger may have had a 'educational effect' on said runt who probably had to go home and ask Mummy for some clean boxers

 

[Guest Ashdangate]

I haven't been to reading since the Elm Park days ...didn't we play up one year on all sides of the ground..now that was one hell of a day as for the modern reading not interested!!

[Pezo]

43 minutes ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

Watched most of the chase accross the car park from the queue for the bus trying to figure out what had gone on, heard you mention a headbut. You looked very angry and now reading this im not surprised with how angry you were, I was quite surprised you were able to restrain yourself from lamping what looked like a coward who sounds like he thought he had an easy target and could get away quickly to find out some people wont accept that kind of behaviour.

He was running scared.

[Sandhurst Red]

1 hour ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

Out of interest - you say he was wearing an orange jumper, did he have a Reading shirt over the top of it? The reason I ask is that individual was giving it the big I AM in the stand closest to where we sat he will have definitely caught the attention of the CCTV team if it is the same person and would be easy to identify.

[BRISTOL86]

1 hour ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

Disgusting behaviour. I would absolutely be reporting it to the police and hopefully they'll be able to identify the coward. 

Glad your son is OK and very well done on managing to restrain yourself. 

[Oops]

11 minutes ago, Sandhurst Red said:

Out of interest - you say he was wearing an orange jumper, did he have a Reading shirt over the top of it? The reason I ask is that individual was giving it the big I AM in the stand closest to where we sat he will have definitely caught the attention of the CCTV team if it is the same person and would be easy to identify.

Clocked him early in the game mouthing the usual obscenities at my boy (11yrs old) 

a low-calbre individual that's for sure, both mentally and morally. 

[Dolman Block B]

1 hour ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

 

Fair play to you.

If you wanted to take this any further i would have no doubt that CCTV would pick up on a distinctive orange jumper somewhere from leaving the ground to where the incident happened and even when he was on the move from there.

I guess it will come down to you if you wanted to press charges, although from an outsiders view i think the police should do their best to find the guy and charge him in some way.

At the end of the day, it was "with intent" and shouldnt have happened.

This thread should be posted on the Reading Fans Forums, theres a chance the man in question will read it and if he has any sense walk into a police station to admit it was him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[redcityman]

1 hour ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

Glad to hear your son is ok.

Saying that it could of been much worse, personally I believe this needs reporting or at a minimum Reading FC need to be made aware of the situation.

This time your lad was lucky to come away with a glancing blow, the next victim may not be so fortunate.

[Reigate Red]

1 hour ago, Pezo said:

Watched most of the chase accross the car park from the queue for the bus trying to figure out what had gone on, heard you mention a headbut. You looked very angry and now reading this im not surprised with how angry you were, I was quite surprised you were able to restrain yourself from lamping what looked like a coward who sounds like he thought he had an easy target and could get away quickly to find out some people wont accept that kind of behaviour.

He was running scared.

I was just approaching the bus queue and was unsure what was going on but it was quite clear that orange jumper man was desperate to get away. There was also a second verbal confrontation as a small group of city fans stopped some Reading fans from filming it on their phones.

Anyway glad to hear the lad is OK.  I always think of the Reading trip as low risk Waitrose sponsored home counties fans. Just goes to show that these events can come out of the blue from nowhere.

[Guest Miggy]

2 hours ago, East Bristol is Red said:

Morning all, first time poster so go easy on me!

it was my son. He is 12 years old (but admittedly looks about 14/15) and the Reading coward was about 20. We were walking away from the ground, through the crowd, the guy stepped into my son and ATTEMPTED to headbutt him. Fortunately he did not make clear contact and it was just a glance (the intent was there). As you can imagine I was fuming, so pursued him across the crowded car park (he was very distinctive with an orange jumper on) and I caught up with him and made it abundantly clear what a coward he is , in no uncertain terms, whilst he was trying to get away saying sorry sorry sorry....Whilst I understand people saying they would have have kicked the shit out of him (and if he had of made clear contact I would have regardless) by this point my other 10 year old son was getting upset and I was being restrained by others around me. On reflection this was probably for the best, would you trust the justice system if I did anything or what happens if I get arrested and my boys have to go home without me. A steward did approach me as we were walking away and invited me to report it (today) but is it worth it for an intended head butt and my son has no mark on him?

Apologies for the long post. Good three points COYR

 

I saw you call out and persue the guy in orange who was trying to make his getaway who was by the looking very sheepish! I did wonder what he did! Well done for making him shite his pants without decking him. 

I don't know if it was the same knobhead with the Reading shirt over a long sleeve orange shirt in the stadium, but it fits the bill. 

 

[ollywhyte]

6 minutes ago, Miggy said:

I saw you call out and persue the guy in orange who was trying to make his getaway who was by the looking very sheepish! I did wonder what he did! Well done for making him shite his pants without decking him. 

I don't know if it was the same knobhead with the Reading shirt over a long sleeve orange shirt in the stadium, but it fits the bill. 

 

The bloke with the Reading shirt did take his shirt off on the full time whistle as well to be fair and was smashing it against his seat - 

[Clarky89]

I know how you feel about wondering whether to report it, but you should, definitely. Intent was there, and will make the little scrote think about it next time when he thinks he's safe and big in a crowd. Just think, the next fathers young lad may not be so lucky to only be glanced. 

I was unfortunate to be stood near our Stone Island patchers, who are just cowards who think the law is above them because they are in a group and at football. 

[Bristol Rob]

Report it.

Whilst there might not be grounds for any criminal charges, Reading may well choose to ban him from the stadium.

Very least, if he is identified he will likely know he is being watched in the future.

[Bristol Rob]

6 minutes ago, Clarky89 said:

 

I was unfortunate to be stood near our Stone Island patchers, who are just cowards who think the law is above them because they are in a group and at football. 

You are overlooking the magical powers that come with wearing overpriced knitwear.

 

[Clarky89]

4 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

You are overlooking the magical powers that come with wearing overpriced knitwear.

 

Overpriced? Looked like Primark gear that had Stone Island patches stuck on with safety pins by their Mums! 

[Bristol Rob]

3 minutes ago, Clarky89 said:

Overpriced? Looked like Primark gear that had Stone Island patches stuck on with safety pins by their Mums! 

If you looked closely at the badges did they read 'rocky mainland'?

[Norn Iron]

Hopefully Julie will praise you for not taking the law into your own hands. You could've been arrested had you hit him despite what he did. 

It's the measure of you that you didn't and you realised your son was getting worried. The orange man (as opposed to an orange man over here in Norn Iron!) apologised and hopefully this will scare the living daylights out of him. He received a modern day equivalent of a cuff around the ears when PC Dixon of Dock Green was allowed to do it!

You should be proud of how you restrained yourself.

Fortunately, very few people carry guns over here so you didn't get hurt in return (which could've been a whole different ball game in the States.)

If there was a weekly Pint of Beer award for a fan, you would get my vote. In fact, I'm going to open a decent bottle and salute you right now.  

Who says I need an excuse for a pint?