Septic Peg Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Haven't seen any posts on the fella who vaulted from the SS into the disabled section and then over the ad boards and celebrated with the lads when Bob scored... Anyone knew who he was? Video from our own @Tim S (watch the bottom left screen)
1bristolcity Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Septic Peg said: Haven't seen any posts on the fella who vaulted from the SS into the disabled section and then over the ad boards and celebrated with the lads when Bob scored... Anyone knew who he was? Video from our own @Tim S (watch the bottom left screen) The 'new' Thatch?
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Madness though really !!! A ban and possible conviction (Hope common sense prevailed on this 'vey minor' occasion) Some of us may have been similarly over excited in our youth but rarely resulted in arrests or bans back then I notice it's becoming a trend again - Villa fans spilling on the pitch at Barnsley yesterday for example
ZiderEyed Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Madness though really !!! A ban and possible conviction (Hope common sense prevailed on this 'vey minor' occasion) Some of us may have been similarly over excited in our youth but rarely resulted in arrests or bans back then I notice it's becoming a trend again - Villa fans spilling on the pitch at Barnsley yesterday for example Does that count as a ban? ******* hell.
Dollymarie Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Septic Peg said: Haven't seen any posts on the fella who vaulted from the SS into the disabled section and then over the ad boards and celebrated with the lads when Bob scored... Anyone knew who he was? Video from our own @Tim S (watch the bottom left screen) My foster son is in that video. No he is definitely not the one on the pitch!
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Does that count as a ban? ******* hell. Worse than that - it's a criminal offence !!!!! (Hope some common sense was used here but I'd bet on a ban at least) @Mkelly are you able to clarify what happens in this instance / club policy (Though Tbf I can guess what it is)
Betty Swallocks Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 The stewards thought he was trying to fight them off, he was literally just bouncing up and down. All very comical really.
pride of the west Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 I don't think they will be too harsh on him. Perhaps a letter home to the parents . He only looks about 9.
Sir Colby-Tit Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 It too four stewards to stop him bouncing in the end. Very impressive bounce on the young fella.
Alessandro Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Can't imagine the authorities will come down too hard on him this time. I don't think a pitch invasion always ends in a stadium ban, if it does, isn't it something like 3 years plus a fine, obviously depending on the incident? Remember the fan the West Ham fan who ran across the pitch at Upton Park and took a free kick a few years ago? He avoided a ban and was fined £300.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Nothing more than over exuberance - he didn't even go on the field of play as far as I can see. At the very worst ejection from the ground with a warning. Really no harm done - to ban an enthusiastic fan for getting carried away in the joy of the moment would be just spiteful.
Pezo Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 There was no malace in what he did, probably walked out got told to calm down and came strait back in again.
Mad Cyril Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 ..and if it had been a Derby fan when they scored I hope all the comments would have been equally liberal. But would they?
iamalagerdrinker Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Just don't see the point, could probably understand if it was last minute in a huge game but not against Derby in the 50th minute or whatever
Betty Swallocks Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, iamalagerdrinker said: Just don't see the point, could probably understand if it was last minute in a huge game but not against Derby in the 50th minute or whatever Sometimes the joy gets the better of us.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: ..and if it had been a Derby fan when they scored I hope all the comments would have been equally liberal. But would they? Doing nothing more than getting carried away and celebrating with his own players, and, as far as I could see, not even going on the field of play? Yes, I think they would.
iamalagerdrinker Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said: Sometimes the joy gets the better of us. Yes I'm guilty of knee sliding across the carpet from time to time.. That's what I tell the Mrs anyway when she asks why I have carpet burn on my knees anyway
Betty Swallocks Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, iamalagerdrinker said: Yes I'm guilty of knee sliding across the carpet from time to time.. That's what I tell the Mrs anyway when she asks why I have carpet burn on my knees anyway We've all been there haha!
Alessandro Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said: ..and if it had been a Derby fan when they scored I hope all the comments would have been equally liberal. But would they? I've seen various sets of fans doing similar things from the Atyeo, as recently as the Villa game IIRC?, with the advertising boards being pushed over to get to the edge of the pitch, didn't hear too much fuss about it then?
Pezo Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alessandro said: I've seen various sets of fans doing similar things from the Atyeo, as recently as the Villa game IIRC?, with the advertising boards being pushed over to get to the edge of the pitch, didn't hear too much fuss about it then? And even if there was this was very different. This was a single person who didn't cause any damage as opposed to Villa which was probably 20 people who could have damaged the advertising boads while falling over them. What Villa did could have escalated what this bloke did was never going to be more than a hug and a bounce for Bobby.
Mkelly Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Fan was ejected. Reported to police (criminal offense) and will be banned. Similar to flares, the club can be fined for each incident.
Betty Swallocks Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Mkelly said: Fan was ejected. Reported to police (criminal offense) and will be banned. Similar to flares, the club can be fined for each incident. That is ridiculous. This must be the one negative from what was a massively good day.
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, Mkelly said: Fan was ejected. Reported to police (criminal offense) and will be banned. Similar to flares, the club can be fined for each incident. Thanks for / good to clarify Mike You are sure to get lots of criticism of being OTT but I can understand that the Club are not allowed to 'turn' a blind eye for numerous reasons , however brutal it looks in this scenario And if ignored one becomes two becomes six ...... ( And I speak as somebody who when younger may have got overvexcited at football , and been on pitches, albeit before it became an offence ) Would guess , in the circumstances the lad is likely to get a caution from the Police There is also a confusion on here that some pointed out he didn't go 'on the pitch' - Perhaps a good time / opportunity to clarify that the offence is committed on pitch and surrounds ? (I.e. If you get over a wall / hoarding you are I the 'red zone' ? (as is my understanding) ? ( Or anywhere on the grass basically ?)
Bristol Rob Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Appreciate that some will call this an over reaction and a draconian measure, but you can't deny they club are consistent in their approach when someone does go slightly over the top. End of the day, we all know where we stand and the penalties for breaking the rules.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: There is also a confusion on here that some pointed out he didn't go 'on the pitch' - Perhaps a good time / opportunity to clarify that the offence is committed on pitch and surrounds ? (I.e. If you get over a wall / hoarding you are I the 'red zone' ? (as is my understanding) ? ( Or anywhere on the grass basically ?) I've always heard the offence was going on the field of play, but you could be right Bob. In which case numerous away fans must have suffered a similar fate at AG recently - e.g. Brum & Villa - but I haven't heard anything about arrests and bans arising from those incidents. I've no doubt some clubs do 'turn a blind eye' to incidents like yesterday btw., with stewards simply returning the over excited fan to the stand. I've seen it numerous times on TV.
Big C Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 It probably is an over reaction but a day after a terrorist attack, heightened security alerts and armed police at the Gate I think the days of turning a blind eye are gone
BigTone Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Betty Swallocks said: Sometimes the joy gets the better of us. Exactly, I even spilled some of my Chardonnay
Red Army 75 Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Shame for the lad . Actually made me laugh. It seems very harsh to me . But the club has its rules to stick too. Agree with what Big C said.
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 34 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: I've always heard the offence was going on the field of play, but you could be right Bob. In which case numerous away fans must have suffered a similar fate at AG recently - e.g. Brum & Villa - but I haven't heard anything about arrests and bans arising from those incidents. I've no doubt some clubs do 'turn a blind eye' to incidents like yesterday btw., with stewards simply returning the over excited fan to the stand. I've seen it numerous times on TV. Agree with your comments Nogs I think the actual phrase is if you 'enter the playing area' (or very similar) (Also applies at cricket etc so not just football) As I said a good chance for @Mkelly to clarify and make clear I think th lads problem yesterday was he jumped on the pitch about 3 yards away from, and right in front of a Steward Supervisor !!!
Robin 101 Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 45 minutes ago, Mkelly said: Fan was ejected. Reported to police (criminal offense) and will be banned. Similar to flares, the club can be fined for each incident. Out of Interest were all 50 Villa fans reported a couple of weeks ago?
Ciderhead433 Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 1 hour ago, pride of the west said: I don't think they will be too harsh on him. Perhaps a letter home to the parents . He only looks about 9. Big nine year old
Hellfire Corner Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 44 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said: That is ridiculous. This must be the one negative from what was a massively good day. It's not ridiculous - everyone knows the rules and the consequences. I don't view it as a negative at all. Celebrate with your fellow reds in the stands. What would be your attitude if it was a Derby Fan running on and attacking a player? In these times, you just don't know what might happen when someone goes on the pitch.
Loco Rojo Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 That pitch invader is lucky that The Crab didn't snag him as he jumped over, right Fevs? I've heard The Crab roams wild in some sections of the ground.
Betty Swallocks Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hellfire Corner said: It's not ridiculous - everyone knows the rules and the consequences. I don't view it as a negative at all. Celebrate with your fellow reds in the stands. What would be your attitude if it was a Derby Fan running on and attacking a player? In these times, you just don't know what might happen when someone goes on the pitch. Are you seriously comparing a young City fan celebrating a goal with a Derby fan attacking a player
Hellfire Corner Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said: Are you seriously comparing a young City fan celebrating a goal with a Derby fan attacking a player No
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Maybe some intuitive Club could have a softly cushioned 'buffer zone area between the stands and the playing surrounds , where in that moment of jubilation fans can bounce around , roll on their backs , or do cartwheels without problems or committing an offence (All joking aside watch some German Club try it ! )
Betty Swallocks Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hellfire Corner said: No I would say you have. If any fan had run on the pitch, City or Derby fan, and attacked a player I'd hope they would never set foot inside a football stadium again. However yesterday's scenario is so far away from what you have put forward that they shouldn't be treated the same.
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 The age of criminal responsibility in England is 10. I've seen groups of kids regularly charging forward from the family enclosure in front of the Dolman a few years ago to celebrate with a player, and more than once 2 or 3 ending up pitch side. They got carried away, a bit out of control in their utter jubilation, but no harm done, exactly like yesterday. @Mkelly Would City really now ban 10 year olds for similar over excited encroachment to yesterdays over enthusiast - if not, why not? Would the clubs' response have been so draconian if the offender yesterday had been an 11 year old girl for instance?
Hellfire Corner Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said: I would say you have. If any fan had run on the pitch, City or Derby fan, and attacked a player I'd hope they would never set foot inside a football stadium again. However yesterday's scenario is so far away from what you have put forward that they shouldn't be treated the same. A fan on the pitch is a bannable offence regardless of what he/she has done. Everyone knows that they will get banned if they go onto the pitch. Attacking a player would be a further offence with hopefully a long prison sentence at the end - and a lifetime ban. I'm not comparing celebrating a goal and attacking someone, just saying that you don't know what someone might do if they enter the field of play. Stay off and you won't be banned.
chinapig Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 30 minutes ago, BigTone said: Exactly, I even spilled some of my Chardonnay Now THAT is an offence.
Betty Swallocks Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hellfire Corner said: A fan on the pitch is a bannable offence regardless of what he/she has done. Everyone knows that they will get banned if they go onto the pitch. Attacking a player would be a further offence with hopefully a long prison sentence at the end - and a lifetime ban. I'm not comparing celebrating a goal and attacking someone, just saying that you don't know what someone might do if they enter the field of play. Stay off and you won't be banned. How many people that go on the pitch end up being banned, 1/2%. If it's for a celebration common sense should prevail. If it's a repeated offender then fair enough but for a moment of sheer joy it's complete overreaction to pass them onto the police to be charged and subsequently banned.
HitchinRed Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 I'm not sure what else the Club could do / say. If they did let the lad off with a slap on the wrist, it would encourage him/others to do it again. Once it happens more regularly, the Club then has to crack down and make an example of someone, which would be less than fair. Its much fairer to lay down the rules and apply them consistently for all.
Red-Robbo Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Nothing more than over exuberance - he didn't even go on the field of play as far as I can see. At the very worst ejection from the ground with a warning. Really no harm done - to ban an enthusiastic fan for getting carried away in the joy of the moment would be just spiteful. While I do agree with the point you're making, the club has got their hands tied. A mere slap on the wrist for this and soon you'll get dozens of people doing it, the fines to the club will get larger and larger and it'll become a genuine problem. The geezer didn't adversely affect the game in any way, so I hope any ban will be short, but while we have to live with rules drawn up by football-hating MPs who treat every fan as a childlike wanquer ready to go off the rails at any time, and the stuffy old placemen at the FA endorsing this approach, the club has little choice but to act.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: While I do agree with the point you're making, the club has got their hands tied. A mere slap on the wrist for this and soon you'll get dozens of people doing it, the fines to the club will get larger and larger and it'll become a genuine problem. The geezer didn't adversely affect the game in any way, so I hope any ban will be short, but while we have to live with rules drawn up by football-hating MPs who treat every fan as a childlike wanquer ready to go off the rails at any time, and the stuffy old placemen at the FA endorsing this approach, the club has little choice but to act. I agree it's not as if it was akin to this tit.
Alex_BCFC Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Unfortunately the day will come when a idiot does something serious to a player. This is exactly why they have to take this stuff seriously. Yes we all know on this occasion it was nothing but that's not the point. And it did seem odd to come on after a penalty was scored - I find these, unless scored at the end, the least exciting way of scoring due to how predictable it is?!
TV Tom Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Mkelly said: Fan was ejected. Reported to police (criminal offense) and will be banned. Similar to flares, the club can be fined for each incident. Oh well done, you must have plenty of video evidence of all those Villa fans from the last game, will they be banned if/when we play them next season? haven't you got anything better to worry about?
BCFC Grim Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: Unfortunately the day will come when a idiot does something serious to a player. This is exactly why they have to take this stuff seriously. Yes we all know on this occasion it was nothing but that's not the point. And it did seem odd to come on after a penalty was scored - I find these, unless scored at the end, the least exciting way of scoring due to how predictable it is?! But that idiot isn't not going to do it because he's worried about getting banned is he? Banning people for getting over excited is not going to stop morons doing more serious things! It's a stupid thing to do, because unfortunately like smoke/flares, in this day and age you're just not going to get away with it. But you'd think a little common sense would prevail.
WhistleHappy Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Dollymarie said: My foster son is in that video. No he is definitely not the one on the pitch! You mean Flinty? .... you should be ashamed keeping your foster charges in cupboards, bang out of order imo
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: But that idiot isn't not going to do it because he's worried about getting banned is he? Banning people for getting over excited is not going to stop morons doing more serious things! It's a stupid thing to do, because unfortunately like smoke/flares, in this day and age you're just not going to get away with it. But you'd think a little common sense would prevail. I think you will find like Red-Robbo said the club's hands are tied, I think i'm right in saying that it constitutes an absolute offence (The prosecution only needs to show that the accused performed the prohibited act).
WhistleHappy Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 4 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Worse than that - it's a criminal offence !!!!! (Hope some common sense was used here but I'd bet on a ban at least) @Mkelly are you able to clarify what happens in this instance / club policy (Though Tbf I can guess what it is) ...easiest way to deal with these situations would be to get Frankie to kick 'em out! Never fails,. they certainly wouldn't be ON the pitch for long..
Tully Bascomb Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 I would like to think that the official line was a ban but the lad was let off behind the scenes.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, BoneyardTIM said: I would like to think that the official line was a ban but the lad was let off behind the scenes. Only the police can make that decision .
View from the Dolman Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 The wording of the legislation... "It is an offence for a person at a designated football match to go onto the playing area, or any area adjacent to the playing area to which spectators are not generally admitted, without lawful authority or lawful excuse (which shall be for him to prove)." https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/19/section/4
Northern Red Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 On the face of it, a ban does seem harsh for what appears to be nothing more than a simple act of over-exuberance, but if the spotlight is already on the club for flares and smoke bombs then you can understand why they have to be seen as having zero tolerance for anything of this nature.
JustinCider Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 3 hours ago, iamalagerdrinker said: Yes I'm guilty of knee sliding across the carpet from time to time.. That's what I tell the Mrs anyway when she asks why I have carpet burn on my knees anyway That's what my wife tells me when I enquiry about the state of her knees too... ...odd thing is though, she doesn't even like football?
WhistleHappy Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Reckon he might have gotten away with it - IF he didn't have a mouthful of someone else's pasty in his mouth at the same time!!
E.G.Red Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 21 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: I think you will find like Red-Robbo said the club's hands are tied, I think i'm right in saying that it constitutes an absolute offence (The prosecution only needs to show that the accused performed the prohibited act). Also as Mike Kelly has said, the club can also find themselves in trouble. We are already on a warning regarding the flares and this incident will also not put us in a good light with the Football Authoriti
Engvall's Splinter Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 51 minutes ago, harrys said: Oh well done, you must have plenty of video evidence of all those Villa fans from the last game, will they be banned if/when we play them next season? haven't you got anything better to worry about? He'll be towing the clubs line. It won't be his decision you silly sausage. If you enter the pitch, you take your chance.
David Brent Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Imagine 20000 fans showing a bit of 'over exuberance' People know the rules
Dollymarie Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 53 minutes ago, WhistleHappy said: You mean Flinty? .... you should be ashamed keeping your foster charges in cupboards, bang out of order imo No, I mean I'm a foster carer and my lad has a season ticket too since he came to live with me. Or are you whooshing me?
JulieH Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Myself and another officer dealt with this male. he was ejected and admitted to jumping on the playing area as a result of a bet! he has been reported whereby a file will be completed for a decision to be made on further court prosecution/ caution etc. The club have instigated a club ban until that decision is made and then no doubt will discuss further with the male concerned. pitch incursions like this can be reported by the referee to the league , not sure at this early stage if that has happened there were armed police in the area yesterday as result of the increased security threat in the uk, there is no specific intelligence re any attack on football matches, it is just a case of high visible policing in an area of crowds whilst the threat is at critical. The officers were very impressed with the stadium and how friendly you lot are!! they are tri force so not all Avon and Somerset based.
Bristol Rob Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, JulieH said: The officers were very impressed with the stadium and how friendly you lot are!! they are tri force so not all Avon and Somerset based. Amazed how someone holding a gun makes you consider your effin' and jeffin'!
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 How about this for rank stupidity and dangerous behaviour and also considering the recent events on the tube at Parsons Green London, where does shit rank?. http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/reading-fc-smoke-bomb-train-13632203
handsofclay Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Alessandro said: Can't imagine the authorities will come down too hard on him this time. I don't think a pitch invasion always ends in a stadium ban, if it does, isn't it something like 3 years plus a fine, obviously depending on the incident? Remember the fan the West Ham fan who ran across the pitch at Upton Park and took a free kick a few years ago? He avoided a ban and was fined £300. Yes, but that was because a goal for West Ham resulted from his free-kick.
Rob k Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 Too harsh for me, just a young lad who's probs had one too many shandys and got a bit over excited, surely a rap on the knuckles with a strong word in his ear could suffice this time. what happens when we get promoted, by the sounds of things we will have 6000 at our opening game in the premier league or would I naively be thinking that everybody would get away with it because it would cost the club too much in revenue to ban everyone...what's good for one and all that
View from the Dolman Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 33 minutes ago, JulieH said: he was ejected and admitted to jumping on the playing area as a result of a bet! Oh dear.
Bristol Rob Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 9 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: How about this for rank stupidity and dangerous behaviour and also considering the recent events on the tube at Parsons Green London, where does shit rank?. http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/reading-fc-smoke-bomb-train-13632203 Clearly someone is going to do time for that. And rightly so. What a ****. Bantz my arse.
shelts Posted September 17, 2017 Posted September 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, JulieH said: there were armed police in the area yesterday as result of the increased security threat in the uk, there is no specific intelligence re any attack on football matches, it is just a case of high visible policing in an area of crowds whilst the threat is at critical. Armed police if needed while the threat is critical . Six pack being openly drank in the Family stand and others saying pints being taken into the stands. Not very good by our stewards
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