GrahamC Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 I like him. Unfussy, calm, made some useful saves, good distribution. Looks a decent addition to the squad on that evidence and good competition for Frankie.
cityexile Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Second goal really old fashioned. Goalie smack it straight down the middle, Fammy heads it on, Taylor scores a good strikers goal. Easy this game sometimes!
Dullmoan Tone Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 I thought the save in the first half was excellent and kept us right in it. He looks really assured.
Alex_BCFC Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Looks like the no.1 based on that. Got everything Frankie has plus his distribution so much better.
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: Looks like the no.1 based on that. Got everything Frankie has plus his distribution so much better. FF has been outstanding this season - as good as Bobby Reid His shirt unless he loses form
cityexile Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said: Looks like the no.1 based on that. Got everything Frankie has plus his distribution so much better. Good to hear that in a lot of ways, although Frankie has been in great form recently. Take the point re distribution, but nice to have a decision to make.
steviestevieneville Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: FF has been outstanding this season - as good as Bobby Reid His shirt unless he loses form Yeah frankies shirt at the moment definitely . Steele more comfortable on the ball though and did nothing wrong at all , made some decent saves.
INCRED Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Faultless display, good experienced keeper who gave the back four confidence
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Yeah frankies shirt at the moment definitely . Steele more comfortable on the ball though and did nothing wrong at all , made some decent saves. Always looked a really sensible / good signing and a good fit personality wise Great to have two keepers ticking all the boxes - maybe the strongest pairing we've had for a long time Excellent As a good pro Steele will know he has to wait his chance
ZiderEyed Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Distribution was bang on tonight, fantastic to have two very good keepers vying for minutes.
Coppello Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 I know it's less important than his distribution or handling but he comes across as very intellengent and a model pro from the short interviews so far. Like others have said, it's great to see two great keepers battling it out for that shirt.
Lrrr Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Excellent first impression, no worry what should happen should Frankie lose form/get injured now, excellent competition for the shirt.
RedM Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Got to agree that at last we have a keeper who looks perfect to step in when Frankie is injured. Agree the shirt is Frankie's at the moment but I'm much more confident we can cope when we need to.
Up The City! Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 45 minutes ago, cityexile said: Second goal really old fashioned. Goalie smack it straight down the middle, Fammy heads it on, Taylor scores a good strikers goal. Easy this game sometimes! We had tried it a few times but it didn't quite work, thought Stoke would have learned from the Previous times. I really enjoyed that goal.
Floatn Over Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Really impressed with this guy, looks a great acquisition. On the "Number 1" question, I agree it is FF's shirt based on performances to date but I can see this squad depth / rotation issue (call it what you will) is something LJ wants to promote and expect to see both keepers used, the same on the outfield positions. A philosophy of not dropping players just selecting from a squad to suit the next game. In his post match Radio Brizzle interview on Saturday, LJ said he had already selected the team to play Stoke days before the Derby match.
hoxton casual Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Just watched his interview and he is an impressive interviewee. Most interviews are Beanhead leading the player to give the obvious answer but this guy actually thinks about his reply. When asked if City deserved to be ahead at half time based on the performance, he stopped and thought and then pointed out they had 3 chances in the last part of the half, so no he did not think we should be ahead. Refreshing.
Luxo Jr. Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, hoxton casual said: Just watched his interview and he is an impressive interviewee. Most interviews are Beanhead leading the player to give the obvious answer but this guy actually thinks about his reply. When asked if City deserved to be ahead at half time based on the performance, he stopped and thought and then pointed out they had 3 chances in the last part of the half, so no he did not think we should be ahead. Refreshing. Was just about to say this. Always preferable to see this type of interview rather than a player spout out what they've memorised in media training.
glynriley Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Alex_BCFC said: Looks like the no.1 based on that. Got everything Frankie has plus his distribution so much better. Can't agree with that. But good to know we have quality back up. Frankie playing out of his skin so far.
Eastred Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 Totally agree. Frankie is a safe pair of hands, but his distribution is dire. I have complete confidence in this new guy, but Frankie has somehow managed to see off other goalies, so it's going to be interesting to see who gets to be Number 1......
Saunders87 Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 Honestly feel he should be our number one. Granted based on one game but for me he was assured, great shot stopper, came and commanded his area in dead ball situations. Distribution was second to none and led to us scoring the second goal. Yes frankie is a great shot stopper but always looks prone to a mistake and think the defenders pick up on this and look on edge worried to make a mistake.
Antman Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 the one on one was good to see, he kept upright, timed his rush out perfectly and completely blocked the guy out - no mad rush and sliding challenge *ahem* He looked ring rusty to start, but got better as we went on, what did he do to his hip though? he seemed to hurt himself falling on that shot. FF got up to warm up i noticed.
Son of Fred Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 14 hours ago, Float'n Over said: Really impressed with this guy, looks a great acquisition. On the "Number 1" question, I agree it is FF's shirt based on performances to date but I can see this squad depth / rotation issue (call it what you will) is something LJ wants to promote and expect to see both keepers used, the same on the outfield positions. A philosophy of not dropping players just selecting from a squad to suit the next game. In his post match Radio Brizzle interview on Saturday, LJ said he had already selected the team to play Stoke days before the Derby match. Disagree as such with rotation of keepers,re; league fixtures. If Frank maintains current form no way should he be left out....even for one or two games-what would be the point ?..no way is keeping as physically demanding as outfield. Good to have the competition though.
BCFC Rich Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Saunders87 said: Honestly feel he should be our number one. Granted based on one game but for me he was assured, great shot stopper, came and commanded his area in dead ball situations. Distribution was second to none and led to us scoring the second goal. Yes frankie is a great shot stopper but always looks prone to a mistake and think the defenders pick up on this and look on edge worried to make a mistake. I have been critical of FF but he has been immense this season you can't just drop him. GK is a position in which confidence plays a huge part. If you drop the inform Gk because you believe you'll get a marginal gain you shatter his confidence because you appear to have none in him. What happens if Steele then gets injured/suspended. I get where you're coming from but if FF always looks prone to a mistake then it won't be long until Steele gets a chance.
Floatn Over Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 36 minutes ago, RichardEdd said: I have been critical of FF but he has been immense this season you can't just drop him. GK is a position in which confidence plays a huge part. If you drop the inform Gk because you believe you'll get a marginal gain you shatter his confidence because you appear to have none in him. What happens if Steele then gets injured/suspended. I get where you're coming from but if FF always looks prone to a mistake then it won't be long until Steele gets a chance. FF has indeed been immense, no question about that, really love the guy, I'm happy with him between the posts but by using the word "drop" you have missed the point; who said anything about "dropping" Rotation keeps both keepers fresh.
BCFC Rich Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, Float'n Over said: FF has indeed been immense, no question about that, really love the guy, I'm happy with him between the posts but by using the word "drop" you have missed the point; who said anything about "dropping" Rotation keeps both keepers fresh. Well, I think if you look at the quote with my comment you'll see someone calling for Steele to be number 1 (as did at least 1 other poster) which would imply dropping FF. You did talk about rotation in your post but I was clearly not replying to you. On the idea of rotation, I don't think it works well with GK's. Again it is a confidence position and I think it's better to be relatively consistent in selection. Cup games are a good opportunity for whoever is understudy to get games. If we did start rotating our GK's then we would be virtually unique in doing this.
Davefevs Posted September 20, 2017 Posted September 20, 2017 13 hours ago, Eastred said: Totally agree. Frankie is a safe pair of hands, but his distribution is dire. I have complete confidence in this new guy, but Frankie has somehow managed to see off other goalies, so it's going to be interesting to see who gets to be Number 1...... His distribution isn’t dire....it’s tactical, under both Cotts and LJ. It’s always been kick it left to Bryan... is we have Flint too. I always thought it meant for a lop-sided set up. FF is perfectly decent in open play. LS made a very competent debut. The save at his near post from Adam’s skidding shot in second half was smart keeping. An astute signing. I liked having the early O’Donnell and Fielding competition, but this looks better (ok, bit OTT from one game).
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 His interview after the game was refreshing to listen to, a bit like Joey B an intelligent chap who, seemed to me, got a bit cheesed off with the forwards praise so started talking about how well the defence done when asked if he was pleased that Matty T scored. Of course he was pleased FFS
Eastred Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: His distribution isn’t dire....it’s tactical, under both Cotts and LJ. It’s always been kick it left to Bryan... is we have Flint too. I always thought it meant for a lop-sided set up. FF is perfectly decent in open play. LS made a very competent debut. The save at his near post from Adam’s skidding shot in second half was smart keeping. An astute signing. I liked having the early O’Donnell and Fielding competition, but this looks better (ok, bit OTT from one game). Have you not seen the number of times Frankie kicks the ball straight out of play? Or how often he has to take a second touch from a back pass? His distribution is the weakest point of his game...
Monkeh Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Eastred said: Have you not seen the number of times Frankie kicks the ball straight out of play? Or how often he has to take a second touch from a back pass? His distribution is the weakest point of his game... better into touch then at an opponents feet, especially under pressure, gives the team time to get their shape back and re-orginise
Big C Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 Don't think we should go overboard on Luke, he done ok but from my view he seem to pat a couple of shots back into play instead of either catching them or pushing them to the side. Maybe it was just my angle
Davefevs Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Eastred said: Have you not seen the number of times Frankie kicks the ball straight out of play? Or how often he has to take a second touch from a back pass? His distribution is the weakest point of his game... As I said it’s the tactics. He is asked to hit it wide by LJ (and Cotts). As @Monkeh says it’s better to hit it long than short. If he was aiming down the middle and hit it into touch, i’d be worried. He’s asked to hit a small target (high risk of completion), but much lower risk than dropping it short, hitting it in field and giving possession away. Personally I don’t like the tactic, but I get it. Weakest part of his game? It’s relative....against his outfield colleagues...yes. Against other Championship keepers...no. There are some absolute bombscares in the Champ off of their wrong foot, Frank isn’t one of them. Quite a few of our outfield players take two touches to get it under! Seriously though, Frank is pretty decent with the ball at his feet in open play. Yes, he’s cocked up on occasions, but tell be a keeper that hasn’t. Van der Sar was the best, very few come close.
BCFC Rich Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Seriously though, Frank is pretty decent with the ball at his feet in open play. I have to say I just didn't feel that way until this season and was an advocate of getting someone into upgrade this area. A hangover of that is I still feel uncomfortable when he receives a pass back under pressure, but he hasn't let us down in that regard this season, so hopefully, my concerns will ease. It also shows (imo) that he is still working hard on developing and has improved that area of his game significantly. I am very happy with him as our No.1 now and I'm sure he'll continue to develop. A great pro and someone who has consistently upped their game.
Davefevs Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, RichardEdd said: I have to say I just didn't feel that way until this season and was an advocate of getting someone into upgrade this area. A hangover of that is I still feel uncomfortable when he receives a pass back under pressure, but he hasn't let us down in that regard this season, so hopefully, my concerns will ease. It also shows (imo) that he is still working hard on developing and has improved that area of his game significantly. I am very happy with him as our No.1 now and I'm sure he'll continue to develop. A great pro and someone who has consistently upped their game. @Eastred I agree he’s not perfect, but he’s also coming into his prime. Best years ahead of him. I would also upgrade him, but getting a significantly better keeper at a sensible price is tough. Really happy with him and Steele
Eastred Posted September 21, 2017 Posted September 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: @Eastred I agree he’s not perfect, but he’s also coming into his prime. Best years ahead of him. I would also upgrade him, but getting a significantly better keeper at a sensible price is tough. Really happy with him and Steele He's seen off other goalies and I think that he will probably keep his place, baring injuries. I was impressed with Steele against Stoke
Taz Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 Fielding to keep his place for now. If/when form drops and maybe results go against us, then maybe reintroduce Steele, but for now you don't drop an in form player. Let's also not forget that when we've changed it around before, the defence starts to look a bit shaky, as their confidence drops as they're suddenly not used to the man behind them. By all means play Steele in the cup games, to give him time so that he's ready when needed, but let's not start chopping and changing the side again. Competition for places is what's needed, and this is what's needed in goal. Fielding knows that if he messes up, chances are he will lose his spot, and that he has to fight to win it back again. The worse time in my recent memory for goalkeepers at the club was during the Wilson years with Steve Philips. Good shot stopper but his all round game wasn't the best (albeit good for that level). He never had any competition for his place until we signed Basso. We all know how that went from there...... If Steele is the better goalkeeper, then eventually he will come into the side and claim the spot.
KingLear Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 I always get a bit nervy about Frankie. Don't get me wrong his shot stopping is immense and we would certainly have a lower points tally thus far if not for him. There's just something about him that makes me nervous, lack of composure maybe? He certainly hasn't done anything wrong to warrant losing his place yet but it's good to know we have what looks like a more than able back-up should he be called upon. Two very professional 'keepers who i'm glad are at the Club.
Guest Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, KingLear said: I always get a bit nervy about Frankie. Don't get me wrong his shot stopping is immense and we would certainly have a lower points tally thus far if not for him. There's just something about him that makes me nervous, lack of composure maybe? He certainly hasn't done anything wrong to warrant losing his place yet but it's good to know we have what looks like a more than able back-up should he be called upon. Two very professional 'keepers who i'm glad are at the Club. For me it's when he kicks the ball and either knocks it out for a throw in or straight to an opposition player
Major Isewater Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, KingLear said: I always get a bit nervy about Frankie. Don't get me wrong his shot stopping is immense and we would certainly have a lower points tally thus far if not for him. There's just something about him that makes me nervous, lack of composure maybe? He certainly hasn't done anything wrong to warrant losing his place yet but it's good to know we have what looks like a more than able back-up should he be called upon. Two very professional 'keepers who i'm glad are at the Club. Agreed. As an aside , view your Poster name , you must have , privately, been a fan of JET.
KingLear Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: Agreed. As an aside , view your Poster name , you must have , privately, been a fan of JET. Weren't we all?
lgbbcf Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 fab first game, taking nothing away from frankie, but he could also, so it seems keep the ball.
jj77 Posted September 22, 2017 Posted September 22, 2017 On a side note, how many former United keepers have we had now? I can think of Luke Steele, Tom Heaton and didn't Ben Foster come here on loan?
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