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After Alan Dicks, Joe Jordan,Paul Cheesley and  Kevin Mabbutt next up for Flashback for the fans treatment is Terry Cooper.
I would say our best and my personal favourite manager. Good as a player absolute legend as a manager. Putting money into the cash starved club and running himself into the ground to make us better and keep us alive. The man deserves legendary status as much as anyone , but if you're not sure watch the clip of him crying after we beat Bolton at Wembley to see just how much he cared. Seeing him bombing down the wing aged 40ish , and the story of coming on with an already torn sock so at the first tackle he could complain to the Ref about the bad tackle and show proof . Seeing him nearly dropped off of the stand at Chester when we got promoted from the old 4th division. I love the man for what he did for us. I loved that period in our history, as hard as it was , small hardcore of players and fans , I'm glad I got to see it , and him.

 

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6 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

After Alan Dicks, Joe Jordan,Paul Cheesley and  Kevin Mabbutt next up for Flashback for the fans treatment is Terry Cooper.
I would say our best and my personal favourite manager. Good as a player absolute legend as a manager. Putting money into the cash starved club and running himself into the ground to make us better and keep us alive. The man deserves legendary status as much as anyone , but if you're not sure watch the clip of him crying after we beat Bolton at Wembley to see just how much he cared. Seeing him bombing down the wing aged 40ish , and the story of coming on with an already torn sock so at the first tackle he could complain to the Ref about the bad tackle and show proof . Seeing him nearly dropped off of the stand at Chester when we got promoted from the old 4th division. I love the man for what he did for us. I loved that period in our history, as hard as it was , small hardcore of players and fans , I'm glad I got to see it , and him.

 

Thanks for posting this. Like you i absolutely love the bloke and the reason i keep banging on about TC having something at the ground named after him.  Proper ledgend

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Remember him coming onto the terraces at Reading trying to calm the fans down when the game stopped because of crowd trouble. Great manager and a fantastic day out. 

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42 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Thanks for posting this. Like you i absolutely love the bloke and the reason i keep banging on about TC having something at the ground named after him.  Proper ledgend

Amen to that. It's high time the club did something to recognise his contribution.

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53 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

After Alan Dicks, Joe Jordan,Paul Cheesley and  Kevin Mabbutt next up for Flashback for the fans treatment is Terry Cooper.
I would say our best and my personal favourite manager. Good as a player absolute legend as a manager. Putting money into the cash starved club and running himself into the ground to make us better and keep us alive. The man deserves legendary status as much as anyone , but if you're not sure watch the clip of him crying after we beat Bolton at Wembley to see just how much he cared. Seeing him bombing down the wing aged 40ish , and the story of coming on with an already torn sock so at the first tackle he could complain to the Ref about the bad tackle and show proof . Seeing him nearly dropped off of the stand at Chester when we got promoted from the old 4th division. I love the man for what he did for us. I loved that period in our history, as hard as it was , small hardcore of players and fans , I'm glad I got to see it , and him.

 

Couldn't agree more. Top, top bloke.

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Thanks for posting this. It's great to see this episode again. Terry Cooper is my favourite ever City manager for what he did for the club in helping it rise from the ashes. 

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In City's darkest days, TC did so much to foster that feeling of oneness and comreadeship between the club, the players and the fans. For you younger forum members, here's a few lines about TC I wrote a few years later.

The 1982-83 season ended with the club in a mid-table position and Terry Cooper as a Player/Manager. Cooper would normally watch the first half, see where things were going wrong and come on as a second half substitute to sort matters out. Crude maybe, but it certainly worked. Later on Cooper became, perhaps uniquely a Player/Manager/Director! In the 86-87 season Cooper signed Joe Jordan who due to his experience became Player/Coach. and in March 1988 Jordan replaced Cooper as Player/Manager.

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1 hour ago, 22A said:

In City's darkest days, TC did so much to foster that feeling of oneness and comreadeship between the club, the players and the fans. For you younger forum members, here's a few lines about TC I wrote a few years later.

The 1982-83 season ended with the club in a mid-table position and Terry Cooper as a Player/Manager. Cooper would normally watch the first half, see where things were going wrong and come on as a second half substitute to sort matters out. Crude maybe, but it certainly worked. Later on Cooper became, perhaps uniquely a Player/Manager/Director! In the 86-87 season Cooper signed Joe Jordan who due to his experience became Player/Coach. and in March 1988 Jordan replaced Cooper as Player/Manager.

I started watching City regularly in Feb '83 so TC was my first manager. We were really rock bottom back then, young kids and old men...but it was great. And yes I was on the terraces at Reading too. Terry saved Reading from being totally wrecked, what a man he truly walked on water. I would love him to be recognised. I would love to meet him and thank him for being one of the reasons I got hooked on this club.

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Any.one knows where he lives, how is health is these days ?   A while back he wasn't well.   Hope he's better now.   I am a tight git with money , however I would willingly pay for the guy to watch a a game this season     !! 

 

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Saved the club when we were in our darkest days.

There should be some kind of recognition for the man - absolute legend!

Alan Walsh was signed from Darlington at the time and had one of the best left foots in football. Up there with Frank Worthingon.

 

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17 minutes ago, kivsy said:

Any.one knows where he lives, how is health is these days ?   A while back he wasn't well.   Hope he's better now.   I am a tight git with money , however I would willingly pay for the guy to watch a a game this season     !! 

 

I think he lives in Spain now and last I heard his health wasn`t too good.

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I remember renewing my season ticket and one for my father in the "dark days" Then you had to go to the little office at the back of the Williams stand.  After I paid I was asked if I wanted to come in and meet TC. I was taken to his office where another supporter had been offered the same.  Great welcome, talked to us about his vision for the club, young players, hard work etc etc. Then took us to see the gym, treatment room, up the tunnel on to the pitch and out to the centre spot.

Absolute gent, will always remember that day.

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2 hours ago, swanker said:

Remember him coming onto the terraces at Reading trying to calm the fans down when the game stopped because of crowd trouble. Great manager and a fantastic day out. 

The very first time I got nicked me and a certain mr g......r....what a day that was going off all around the ground!!the very last time I went to a city reading game..

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1 hour ago, swanker said:

And he signed Alan Walsh for something like £18.000 I think. Cheap at half the price!

Clive Middlemas and TC drove to Darlington  in a van and physically moved Walshy down here as well. Great seeing the highlights of the FR final again.  The ball boy who pats Glyn Riley on the back after the third goal is a mate of mine who i went to school with and played football with in later years. He was on City's books at the time. Happy days

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7 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Clive Middlemas and TC drove to Darlington  in a van and physically moved Walshy down here as well. Great seeing the highlights of the FR final again.  The ball boy who pats Glyn Riley on the back after the third goal is a mate of mine who i went to school with and played football with in later years. He was on City's books at the time. Happy days

Did TC actually sign Glyn too or did he arrive slightly before him?

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I was a mascot back in the day and TC was manager; you couldn't meet a nicer bloke. My abiding memory, though, is that he was always chewing gum! Agree with everyone who accords him legendary status. 

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4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

I wouldn`t mind seeing a list of TC signings, there`s some real city greats on it I reckon.

Can't remember if he signed Riley but he built a very good side . Was always a big un/ little un with most sides  but we played some lovely football with Riley and Steve Neville up top

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3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Can't remember if he signed Riley but he built a very good side . Was always a big un/ little un with most sides  but we played some lovely football with Riley and Steve Neville up top

Indeed we did - if I really think about I reckon that was my favourite time as a City fan, it just all seemed so much fun. I was thirty years younger mind!

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4 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Indeed we did - if I really think about I reckon that was my favourite time as a City fan, it just all seemed so much fun. I was thirty years younger mind!

Definitely my favorite time as a City fan. From the mess we were in, then getting promoted and Wembley was surreal really.  Holes in the east end roof with rain coming through them. The old open air toilets at the grandstand end of the east end overflowing with piss :laughcont: and we moan about todays football. Like you say 30 odd years ago and we were all in it together as a club. Being a teenager at the time it just seemed like a laugh.

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Can't believe the Club have dismissed the idea of naming a bar after him , and comparing him to Louis Carey FFS

 :grr:

Literally dragged us from the Ashes and is IMHO as important reason we are where we now are as SL is (In very different ways)

just wish the / the Club would realise that 

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58 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Can't remember if he signed Riley but he built a very good side . Was always a big un/ little un with most sides  but we played some lovely football with Riley and Steve Neville up top

One of TC's first signings I believe. Other early signings would have included Alan Crawford, Forbes Phillipson Masters and bringing Tom Ritchie back.

The season after Trevor Morgan, Howard Pritchard, Keith Curle,Bruce Halliday,Kenny Stroud, Martyn Hurst of course.

Could be wrong, it was 35 years ago!!

Proper legend mind Coops.

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15 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Can't believe the Club have dismissed the idea of naming a bar after him

To be fair I can see their point. I drink in the Coopers pre-match cloud get a tad confusing ;)

Seriously, a bar should be the least of it, surely there are enough new corporate bars, boxes , rooms or areas to make a small gesture that could mean so much.

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My favourite manager and an unsung hero of this club.who knows where city would have been without him.

Gave his all for city all on a shoestring budget.

Some of my happiest times were supporting city then.

Gates went down to 4,000 but there was a great spirit amongst players and fans.

Chester away was the start of the comeback for city.great away game great memories

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Dragged us out of despair and breathed life back into the club. Shame he couldn't quite get us out of the third division, but he brought in his successor who took us up to the second.

Never felt so connected to the club and players like I did back in those days. 

Top man Terry. Met him not long after he was sacked when he turned out for a City v Rovers legends match at Frenchay Hospital. Spent 20 minutes after the game chatting about City with me and was a top bloke. Wished me well and said that Bristol City was a top club. 

Never forgotten that.

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23 minutes ago, glynriley said:

One of TC's first signings I believe. Other early signings would have included Alan Crawford, Forbes Phillipson Masters and bringing Tom Ritchie back.

The season after Trevor Morgan, Howard Pritchard, Keith Curle,Bruce Halliday,Kenny Stroud, Martyn Hurst of course.

Could be wrong, it was 35 years ago!!

Proper legend mind Coops.

You are spot on, mate.

Cooper's first 3 signings were Riley, Crawford & Ritchie.

His next 2 were Peter Johnson, a left back on a season long loan from Newcastle & Forbes PM.

Along with John Shaw, himself & a bunch of kids that was all the players we had in 82/83.

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4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

You are spot on, mate.

Cooper's first 3 signings were Riley, Crawford & Ritchie.

His next 2 were Peter Johnson, left back on loan from Newcastle & Forbes PM.

Along with John Shaw, himself & a bunch of kids that was all the players we had in 82/83.

Forbes pm! Quality player!

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11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

You are spot on, mate.

Cooper's first 3 signings were Riley, Crawford & Ritchie.

His next 2 were Peter Johnson, a left back on a season long loan from Newcastle & Forbes PM.

Along with John Shaw, himself & a bunch of kids that was all the players we had in 82/83.

Not a bad first 3 that!! Obviously I'm a massive Glyn Riley fan but Crawford and to a lesser extent Ritchie don't get enough credit on here for me. Scored some crackers as well Crawford. One against Mansfield, I think , at Ashton Gate was a screamer. 

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9 minutes ago, forbespm said:

Forbes pm! Quality player!

I could not be arsed to write Phillipson-Masters...

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5 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

After Alan Dicks, Joe Jordan,Paul Cheesley and  Kevin Mabbutt next up for Flashback for the fans treatment is Terry Cooper.
I would say our best and my personal favourite manager. Good as a player absolute legend as a manager. Putting money into the cash starved club and running himself into the ground to make us better and keep us alive. The man deserves legendary status as much as anyone , but if you're not sure watch the clip of him crying after we beat Bolton at Wembley to see just how much he cared. Seeing him bombing down the wing aged 40ish , and the story of coming on with an already torn sock so at the first tackle he could complain to the Ref about the bad tackle and show proof . Seeing him nearly dropped off of the stand at Chester when we got promoted from the old 4th division. I love the man for what he did for us. I loved that period in our history, as hard as it was , small hardcore of players and fans , I'm glad I got to see it , and him.

 

"I feel like I'm a Bristolian now"

You always will be Terry.

Thanks for posting mate, just watched after her indoors went to bed. Just as well, she'd have thought I was a right pillock getting misty eyed over that. 

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3 hours ago, RedM said:

I started watching City regularly in Feb '83 so TC was my first manager. We were really rock bottom back then, young kids and old men...but it was great. And yes I was on the terraces at Reading too. Terry saved Reading from being totally wrecked, what a man he truly walked on water. I would love him to be recognised. I would love to meet him and thank him for being one of the reasons I got hooked on this club.

You started watching City at a great time.* The Terry Cooper era was when the soul of this club shone brightest and the current custodians would do well to understand and recognise that.

I had a Rovers-supporting acquaintance in the mid 90s who used to have a print-out of the league table with Bristol City bottom of Division 4  blown up, laminated  and mounted on his wall. How ******* sad is that?!! The first time I saw it - in fact he took pleasure in showing it to me - I smiled warmly and declared how nostalgic that made me feel. Genuinely happy memories of that time, the Dunkirk spirit, positive atmosphere and the close affinity between the fans, team, management. This annoyed the saghead somewhat. Apparently not the response he wanted, but it was a genuine reaction on my part. Happy days.

*I started going to City when we were about to be promoted to the top flight in 1976. F'cking glory hunter. I stuck with it when things went bad though :city:

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39 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

You started watching City at a great time.* The Terry Cooper era was when the soul of this club shone brightest and the current custodians would do well to understand and recognise that.

I had a Rovers-supporting acquaintance in the mid 90s who used to have a print-out of the league table with Bristol City bottom of Division 4  blown up, laminated  and mounted on his wall. How ******* sad is that?!! The first time I saw it - in fact he took pleasure in showing it to me - I smiled warmly and declared how nostalgic that made me feel. Genuinely happy memories of that time, the Dunkirk spirit, positive atmosphere and the close affinity between the fans, team, management. This annoyed the saghead somewhat. Apparently not the response he wanted, but it was a genuine reaction on my part. Happy days.

*I started going to City when we were about to be promoted to the top flight in 1976. F'cking glory hunter. I stuck with it when things went bad though :city:

Not enough likes available for that first paragraph :clap:

it needs to be remembered , like it or not it was a huge event in our history . 

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8 hours ago, glynriley said:

Not a bad first 3 that!! Obviously I'm a massive Glyn Riley fan but Crawford and to a lesser extent Ritchie don't get enough credit on here for me. Scored some crackers as well Crawford. One against Mansfield, I think , at Ashton Gate was a screamer. 

I remember him banging in a hat trick at home to Torquay. We beat them 5 - 0 IIRC.

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13 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

Thanks for posting this. Like you i absolutely love the bloke and the reason i keep banging on about TC having something at the ground named after him.  Proper ledgend

Fair play mate . As soon as I seen the thread title I knew you would be all over this 

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Aaaah the glory days....

...I can vividly remember starting my BCFC journey in 82-83. My Uncle started taking me and my brother. He'd just had a stroke and he'd park on a double yellow. We'd buy our tickets and head up to the Dolman - a bit slowly because his left side was pretty paralysed. On the odd occasion we'd get taken into the East End by our cousin. Urine on the terraces, beer everywhere, dark, dingy and the atmosphere in there was awesome.

4 to 5 thousand in that massive arena, they were dark days, but also great days. Andy Llewyellyn and Rob Newman at the back were absolute stalwarts for this club, with John Shaw. And obviously Walshy and Riley were my heroes. 

The life long love affair started right there. I still don't understand (and I guess never will) how you can claim to be a fan of a club if you've never, ever been to a game. How much fun can it be being a Man Utd fan? Winning a virtual guarantee (well I guess the last couple of years haven't been so lekker) every *******g week. No low points of relegations, disappointments, losing games on paper you should win easily and vice versa.

I guess this is why we are Bristol City. Always believing and hoping that we'll start to punch above our weight. Maybe, just maybe we're on the verge of something great. I'll reserve judgement though, because I've been there many times following this club.

I'm heading back to the UK after 15 years in South Africa. My girls have started getting really into soccer, they both play. Now I'll be able to take them to the colosseum. Starting the next generation of City fans.

Cooper deffo deserves some recognition by the club. Maybe we should start a petition. 

COYR

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8 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

Aaaah the glory days....

...I can vividly remember starting my BCFC journey in 82-83. My Uncle started taking me and my brother. He'd just had a stroke and he'd park on a double yellow. We'd buy our tickets and head up to the Dolman - a bit slowly because his left side was pretty paralysed. On the odd occasion we'd get taken into the East End by our cousin. Urine on the terraces, beer everywhere, dark, dingy and the atmosphere in there was awesome.

4 to 5 thousand in that massive arena, they were dark days, but also great days. Andy Llewyellyn and Rob Newman at the back were absolute stalwarts for this club, with John Shaw. And obviously Walshy and Riley were my heroes. 

The life long love affair started right there. I still don't understand (and I guess never will) how you can claim to be a fan of a club if you've never, ever been to a game. How much fun can it be being a Man Utd fan? Winning a virtual guarantee (well I guess the last couple of years haven't been so lekker) every *******g week. No low points of relegations, disappointments, losing games on paper you should win easily and vice versa.

I guess this is why we are Bristol City. Always believing and hoping that we'll start to punch above our weight. Maybe, just maybe we're on the verge of something great. I'll reserve judgement though, because I've been there many times following this club.

I'm heading back to the UK after 15 years in South Africa. My girls have started getting really into soccer, they both play. Now I'll be able to take them to the colosseum. Starting the next generation of City fans.

Cooper deffo deserves some recognition by the club. Maybe we should start a petition. 

COYR

Totally agree . Think I'll start by emailing and tweeting the relevant people . See what feedback we get. Maybe the dolman concourse could be named after him with just a sign up for him. Something the fans can relate too 

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22 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Totally agree . Think I'll start by emailing and tweeting the relevant people . See what feedback we get. Maybe the dolman concourse could be named after him with just a sign up for him. Something the fans can relate too 

I'm @davebaxtersa on the twitter - happy to retweet anything that comes my way...

 

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Also, when you consider he was a truly world class player for Leeds and England and acheived so much in the game, to put that much effort into City when we were at our lowest ebb shows what a man he is.

I agree, the club should recognise his contribution to our history.

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I was the researcher at HTV for most of the Flashbacks - possibly the best job I ever had. Met Terry and Norman and other heroes and spent hours rescuing clips of film from the HTV library. When matches were shot on film it meant that every time a programme needed a particular clip, like a goal, the actual film got trimmed until some of them were just tiny little strips. Putting together the goals from the heroic end of our first season in the 1st Division was almost impossible even by the time we made these Flashbacks. I remember an early interview with Terry when he came in as manager and he described (laughing) how the first thing he had to teach the players was where to boot the ball out of defence. He is a lovely man.

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Best manager we ever had, simple as that. Difficult to imagine anyone around from '82 onwards would disagree that the man is a legend.

A 4th division promotion and a second tier cup win doesn't tell half the story of what Coops achieved at Bristol City.

When he was sacked I phoned Ashton Gate and tore into the poor woman who answered the phone, she promised to pass my complaint on to the directors!

Probably it was for the best though, the man must have been exhausted and emotionally drained from the effort and hard work he put into our football club.

After he gave up the cameo sub appearances for City, but was still City manager, he used to play Sunday morning football, can remember playing against him and his son Mark who was 16 at the time.

 

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46 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

Also, when you consider he was a truly world class player for Leeds and England and acheived so much in the game, to put that much effort into City when we were at our lowest ebb shows what a man he is.

I agree, the club should recognise his contribution to our history.

That is an excellent, but largely forgotten point.

When Gordon Banks makes what is seen as the best save ever from Pele's header, it is Coops that Jairzinho pisses past to put the cross in.

That was the level of player he was on the same pitch as at his very best.

To think he was managing players in his first season with us who were Western League standard shows just how much he cared and loved football.

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Great manager, ticket seller, city shop assent with Beryl, can remember the 7-1 hiding at Northampton, Sat by the park wall after a coach journey that felt it was never going to end, Terry stoped and said how sorry he was for performance, even gave me and my mate a lift back to the Lord Nelson Cleeve so we could drown our sorrows, to me Chester away and promation in front of 3,000 cider heads was the crowning moment for him

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3 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

Totally agree . Think I'll start by emailing and tweeting the relevant people . See what feedback we get. Maybe the dolman concourse could be named after him with just a sign up for him. Something the fans can relate too 

With Alan Dicks and TC iconic managers (Div 1 and saving the club on the field respectively) something along the lines of Marina Dolman Way perhaps ?

Alan Dicks Rd, for the Ashton Rd entrance leading to the corner of the Dolman & Atyeo; Terry Cooper Courtyard for the back of the Atyeo ?

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Great post.  Coops was brillant for us. Without him I dread to think where we would be today. I would love it if the club called the south stand the terry Cooper stand. And try and get him over to  a match.  the last i read he was Not very well. 

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15 minutes ago, Hampshire reds said:

Great post.  Coops was brillant for us. Without him I dread to think where we would be today. I would love it if the club called the south stand the terry Cooper stand. And try and get him over to  a match.  the last i read he was Not very well. 

Great shout. Let's hope the club do something while the man can still appreciate it, not leave it too late like they did with Big John.  While we're at it, Alan Dicks deserves some official recognition too.

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Enjoyed watching that. As many have said, Cooper did so much for City in a period when the future looked pretty bleak. 

Watching the Freight Rover Trophy final brought back some great memories. I caught double-decker bus from the Park House on St Johns Lane with my dad, uncle and cousin; it seemed to go about 50 mph and take an age to get there, but a great day out.

Agree the club should recognise what Cooper did in that era, it seems worlds apart from the Ashton Gate I know now. But without Cooper, we would have struggled, he put a great team together and got us through a tough time.

Well done and thanks, Terry Cooper.

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Agree, the club really should be doing something to honour Terry in a permanent manner. Bit before my time but have watched the clips and read the stories about TC and what he did for our club and the effect our club in turn had on him.  He's quite rightly revered by many and we need to honour that respect as a club if we possibly can. 

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16 hours ago, DaveInSA said:

Aaaah the glory days....

...I can vividly remember starting my BCFC journey in 82-83. My Uncle started taking me and my brother. He'd just had a stroke and he'd park on a double yellow. We'd buy our tickets and head up to the Dolman - a bit slowly because his left side was pretty paralysed. On the odd occasion we'd get taken into the East End by our cousin. Urine on the terraces, beer everywhere, dark, dingy and the atmosphere in there was awesome.

4 to 5 thousand in that massive arena, they were dark days, but also great days. Andy Llewyellyn and Rob Newman at the back were absolute stalwarts for this club, with John Shaw. And obviously Walshy and Riley were my heroes. 

The life long love affair started right there. I still don't understand (and I guess never will) how you can claim to be a fan of a club if you've never, ever been to a game. How much fun can it be being a Man Utd fan? Winning a virtual guarantee (well I guess the last couple of years haven't been so lekker) every *******g week. No low points of relegations, disappointments, losing games on paper you should win easily and vice versa.

I guess this is why we are Bristol City. Always believing and hoping that we'll start to punch above our weight. Maybe, just maybe we're on the verge of something great. I'll reserve judgement though, because I've been there many times following this club.

I'm heading back to the UK after 15 years in South Africa. My girls have started getting really into soccer, they both play. Now I'll be able to take them to the colosseum. Starting the next generation of City fans.

Cooper deffo deserves some recognition by the club. Maybe we should start a petition. 

COYR

great post, but remember here it's football not soccer!

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I am going to be devil's advocate here and not a positive one...not one for conspiracy theories incidentally.

Might the club be reluctant to do something like this for TC, because a bit of research would indicate that we all but went bust? That we collapsed from the First Division to the bottom of the Fourth Division in the process? I mean, trying to grow a brand...a successful, shiny happy brand- not the sort of history from that pov that would impress prospective investors, corporate fans and the like is it?

Incidentally, this is not my opinion at all- just an alternative, devils advocate- with an uncomfortable possibility. From a corporate perspective Louis Carey would be more ideal IMO- highs, lows but no major disasters. Not really. Highlighting this period though....well I wonder.

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À City legend , gave us back our club and with style .

Loved the comment on marking Jairzinho .

" I hit and he hit me back . " 

Wingers normally crumbled when hit .TC knew he was in for a difficult match .

Also what a pleasure to see the South Stand barbecue and the fact that TC got us promoted and won the Cup after those interfering Gas money men sacked him .

The Gas still keep giving .

:rofl2br:

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11 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I am going to be devil's advocate here and not a positive one...not one for conspiracy theories incidentally.

Might the club be reluctant to do something like this for TC, because a bit of research would indicate that we all but went bust? That we collapsed from the First Division to the bottom of the Fourth Division in the process? I mean, trying to grow a brand...a successful, shiny happy brand- not the sort of history from that pov that would impress prospective investors, corporate fans and the like is it?

Incidentally, this is not my opinion at all- just an alternative, devils advocate- with an uncomfortable possibility. From a corporate perspective Louis Carey would be more ideal IMO- highs, lows but no major disasters. Not really. Highlighting this period though....well I wonder.

As a devil's avocate that is a pretty flimsy argument I think.

TC was the guy who kicked the Phoenix into life . Surely a good example of the spirit of the club , no ? 

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16 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

As a devil's avocate that is a pretty flimsy argument I think.

TC was the guy who kicked the Phoenix into life . Surely a good example of the spirit of the club , no ? 

Oh I agree yes. About TC. Definitely think he should be recognised correctly.

To put my rather cautiously put point another way- if they are looking to attract the corporate cash...corporate types want to be associated with success, glory, image all that crap. A club which went from top division to bottom division in successive years, and bust in the process- I am unsure it would be what corporate types would be looking for.

Maybe it wouldn't make a difference but I wonder sometimes.

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54 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Oh I agree yes. About TC. Definitely think he should be recognised correctly.

To put my rather cautiously put point another way- if they are looking to attract the corporate cash...corporate types want to be associated with success, glory, image all that crap. A club which went from top division to bottom division in successive years, and bust in the process- I am unsure it would be what corporate types would be looking for.

Maybe it wouldn't make a difference but I wonder sometimes.

Has it stopped them investing in Wolves, Swansea or Brighton for example ? 

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27 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Has it stopped them investing in Wolves, Swansea or Brighton for example ? 

Do they make a thing of their history in that sense? Wolves incidentally as a significantly bigger history in a positive sense as well as their struggles. Swansea and Brighton are better comparable examples IMO.

I think the history they would- and I stand to be corrected- is generally positive, successful or notable history. I suppose we could say our Division One to Division Four and then TC- the calm and latterly the renaissance after the storm and disaster- plus the almost bankrupt state- that is definitely notable history...but not in the PR way.

The Terry Cooper thing and the background...1st-4th division, bankrupt, AG8 and eventual hard won revival- the latter thanks in no small part to him- great story but does it fit the brand? I would suggest not. IMO- and I am not saying I agree with it philosophically, the more pristine, airbrushed- and in the cases of the big boys, genuinely successful the "brand", the better revenue generation, corporate and sponsorship opportunities for the club.

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21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Do they make a thing of their history in that sense? Wolves incidentally as a significantly bigger history in a positive sense as well as their struggles. Swansea and Brighton are better comparable examples IMO.

I think the history they would- and I stand to be corrected- is generally positive, successful or notable history. I suppose we could say our Division One to Division Four and then TC- the calm and latterly the renaissance after the storm and disaster- plus the almost bankrupt state- that is definitely notable history...but not in the PR way.

The Terry Cooper thing and the background...1st-4th division, bankrupt, AG8 and eventual hard won revival- the latter thanks in no small part to him- great story but does it fit the brand? I would suggest not. IMO- and I am not saying I agree with it philosophically, the more pristine, airbrushed- and in the cases of the big boys, genuinely successful the "brand", the better revenue generation, corporate and sponsorship opportunities for the club.

Thé three clubs I mentioned have all come within a whisker of going out of business.

That is their history , ours is similar . We can't and shouldn't deny it but it just shows the strength and love for the club .

Manna from heaven for a sponsor I would have thought .

For the club it is very positive in the same way so I don't necessarily agree with your theory .

It is probably something much more banal like " oh yeah , Terry Cooper , I liked him " jus like that " " 

 

 

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