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15 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

That could only have been more 'Scotland' if they'd got through to the play off and gone out via a last minute own goal.

Hopefully Wales follow suit tomorrow. 

Hope so ...Hoping Ireland does the business

Ska Junkie

Ska Junkie

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If Ireland beat Bale sorry Wales tomorrow, it would have been a rather satisfying international break even though England were boring as hell and will probably get knocked out in the group stages.

Every drawer in Scotland as we speak... ;)

See ya Jocks!

 

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BS4 on Tour...

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Everything about Scottish football is shite.

 

Rubbish - they produced Gerry Gow, Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Alan Hansen, Joe Jordan, John Wark, Jimmy Johnstone, Jim Baxter, John Greig, Davie Cooper, Denis Law, Billy Bremner, Eddie Gray, Richard Gough, Archie Gemmill, Brian McClair, Gordon McQueen, Willie Miller, John Robertson, Paul Hartley, Gerry Sweeney, Donnie Gillies, John Shaw....etc etc etc!

And it's home to the mighty Jags from Maryhill!

Scotland qualified for consecutive World Cup tournaments aplenty - whilst England floundered and didn't actually qualify for a tournament from 1962 to 1982 (qualified as hosts in 1966,  qualified as holders in 1970, did not qualify in 1974 or 1978) the Scots were at the World Cups of 1954, 1958, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998....great achievements by a country with a population of just 5 million people - way less than London....

 

kelbcfc

kelbcfc

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3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Why?

because although I don't like the welsh they are British and I dislike the anti British irish even more.

 

 

Robbored

Robbored

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4 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Rubbish - they produced Gerry Gow, Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Alan Hansen, Joe Jordan, John Wark, Jimmy Johnstone, Jim Baxter, John Greig, Davie Cooper, Denis Law, Billy Bremner, Eddie Gray, Richard Gough, Archie Gemmill, Brian McClair, Gordon McQueen, Willie Miller, John Robertson, Paul Hartley, Gerry Sweeney, Donnie Gillies, John Shaw....etc etc etc!

And it's home to the mighty Jags from Maryhill!

Scotland qualified for consecutive World Cup tournaments aplenty - whilst England floundered and didn't actually qualify for a tournament from 1962 to 1982 (qualified as hosts in 1966,  qualified as holders in 1970, did not qualify in 1974 or 1978) the Scots were at the World Cups of 1954, 1958, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998....great achievements by a country with a population of just 5 million people - way less than London....

 

I'm talking about modern day Scottish football - shite.

SPL - two horse race...............every season. Except when Rangers were relegated thru financial "irregularities". Then it was a one horse race............:facepalm:

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5 minutes ago, kelbcfc said:

because although I don't like the welsh they are British and I dislike the anti British irish even more.

 

 

Eh?! You said "Hoping Ireland do the business" and now you say "I dislike the anti-British Irish...."

Doesnt really make sense?!

One BCFC

One BCFC

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Unpopular opinion: I quite like Scotland and Northern Ireland. Hate Republic's style of football but dont mind them, dislike Wales and meh with England these days.

kelbcfc

kelbcfc

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4 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Eh?! You said "here's hoping Ireland do the business" and now you say "I dislike the anti-British Irish...."

Doesnt really make sense?!

never said hope Ireland do the business

paulcityfan

paulcityfan

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Leave Scotland alone.  I support them as a country and city as a club.  In the only glory days in my living memory, without the scots  Gow, Jordan, and Sweeney and others they would probably have not been the glory days at all for city.  

True in recent times there is not much to shout about but we still play with more fire and passion than the English, albeit without the quality

Ska Junkie

Ska Junkie

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9 minutes ago, paulcityfan said:

Leave Scotland alone.  I support them as a country and city as a club.  In the only glory days in my living memory, without the scots  Gow, Jordan, and Sweeney and others they would probably have not been the glory days at all for city.  

True in recent times there is not much to shout about but we still play with more fire and passion than the English, albeit without the quality

I've absolutely nothing against Scotland Paul but many of their fans have ABE (Anyone But England) syndrome and it's them I'm laughing at right now. 

Andy Murray, I'm laughing at you in your Argentina shirt a few years ago! :shifty:

Super

Super

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9 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

I've absolutely nothing against Scotland Paul but many of their fans have ABE (Anyone But England) syndrome and it's them I'm laughing at right now. 

Andy Murray, I'm laughing at you in your Argentina shirt a few years ago! :shifty:

Not sure i remember him wearing a Argentina top. 

bakes

bakes

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I think there is a chance that if Wales and Ireland draw both may not get in the playoffs as it is the 8 best runners up from 9 groups who play off.

Teams like Italy, Croatia, Sweden, Denmark, Switzerland, Greece, Slovakia and Northern Ireland could be the 8.

 

Robbored

Robbored

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8 minutes ago, Super said:

Not sure i remember him wearing a Argentina top. 

He did.

Years later when challenged by the English press about he said that he was he was still young and immature at the time. I guess he'd been about 18/19 when he wore it.

Super

Super

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4 minutes ago, Robbored said:

He did.

Years later when challenged by the English press about he said that he was he was still young and immature at the time. I guess he'd been about 18/19 when he wore it.

Thought it was Paraguay.

PHILINFRANCE

PHILINFRANCE

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47 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Rubbish - they produced Gerry Gow, Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Alan Hansen, Joe Jordan, John Wark, Jimmy Johnstone, Jim Baxter, John Greig, Davie Cooper, Denis Law, Billy Bremner, Eddie Gray, Richard Gough, Archie Gemmill, Brian McClair, Gordon McQueen, Willie Miller, John Robertson, Paul Hartley, Gerry Sweeney, Donnie Gillies, John Shaw....etc etc etc!

And it's home to the mighty Jags from Maryhill!

Scotland qualified for consecutive World Cup tournaments aplenty - whilst England floundered and didn't actually qualify for a tournament from 1962 to 1982 (qualified as hosts in 1966,  qualified as holders in 1970, did not qualify in 1974 or 1978) the Scots were at the World Cups of 1954, 1958, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998....great achievements by a country with a population of just 5 million people - way less than London....

 

And a certain Tom Ritchie....

Not to mention Dave Mackay and, Well, the list is endless and what a shame it seems gradually to be drying up.

Distortia

Distortia

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Rubbish - they produced Gerry Gow, Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Alan Hansen, Joe Jordan, John Wark, Jimmy Johnstone, Jim Baxter, John Greig, Davie Cooper, Denis Law, Billy Bremner, Eddie Gray, Richard Gough, Archie Gemmill, Brian McClair, Gordon McQueen, Willie Miller, John Robertson, Paul Hartley, Gerry Sweeney, Donnie Gillies, John Shaw....etc etc etc!

And it's home to the mighty Jags from Maryhill!

Scotland qualified for consecutive World Cup tournaments aplenty - whilst England floundered and didn't actually qualify for a tournament from 1962 to 1982 (qualified as hosts in 1966,  qualified as holders in 1970, did not qualify in 1974 or 1978) the Scots were at the World Cups of 1954, 1958, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998....great achievements by a country with a population of just 5 million people - way less than London....

 

Not to mention (arguably) the greatest football manager we've ever seen.

ScottishRed

ScottishRed

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52 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

I've absolutely nothing against Scotland Paul but many of their fans have ABE (Anyone But England) syndrome and it's them I'm laughing at right now. 

Andy Murray, I'm laughing at you in your Argentina shirt a few years ago! :shifty:

To an extent the ABE thing is true but it was never a majority, I was born and bred - hence the user name obviously - but having lived here for the majority of my life I cannot comment on how things are up there now.

Just to be clear I am anything but ABE, but in a footballing sense neither country has anything to be proud about nowadays.

The jibe at Andy Murray is a bit rich and also completely untrue.

Its a totally different sport however there is a very strong argument that Murray is the best INDIVIDUAL UK sportsman of all time.

Barry Sheene

Barry Sheene

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Rubbish - they produced Gerry Gow, Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Alan Hansen, Joe Jordan, John Wark, Jimmy Johnstone, Jim Baxter, John Greig, Davie Cooper, Denis Law, Billy Bremner, Eddie Gray, Richard Gough, Archie Gemmill, Brian McClair, Gordon McQueen, Willie Miller, John Robertson, Paul Hartley, Gerry Sweeney, Donnie Gillies, John Shaw....etc etc etc!

And it's home to the mighty Jags from Maryhill!

Scotland qualified for consecutive World Cup tournaments aplenty - whilst England floundered and didn't actually qualify for a tournament from 1962 to 1982 (qualified as hosts in 1966,  qualified as holders in 1970, did not qualify in 1974 or 1978) the Scots were at the World Cups of 1954, 1958, 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998....great achievements by a country with a population of just 5 million people - way less than London....

 

Amazing really that in the 60s they would give the players who played for English clubs a hard time because they played for a English club

Now a lot of the Scotland squad was born in England and qualify through grandparents.

How times have changed

Ska Junkie

Ska Junkie

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14 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

To an extent the ABE thing is true but it was never a majority, I was born and bred - hence the user name obviously - but having lived here for the majority of my life I cannot comment on how things are up there now.

Just to be clear I am anything but ABE, but in a footballing sense neither country has anything to be proud about nowadays.

The jibe at Andy Murray is a bit rich and also completely untrue.

Its a totally different sport however there is a very strong argument that Murray is the best INDIVIDUAL UK sportsman of all time.

Fair comment Scottish red and I agree Murray is certainly up there but I do remember seeing him in the shirt of whoever England were playing at the time. Maybe it was a photoshop job, I don't know.

It's not like England will get too far anyway unless we bore our opponents into submission.

kevthered

kevthered

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1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Why?

Because I have worked with a lot of welsh and they gave me a hard time being English and in my work they tried to trip me up whenever they could (I worked in Cardiff for 1 year) and I considered it racist and loathed them afterwards ...However the Irish I have met have always been good to know so I prefer Ireland to win

kevthered

kevthered

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9 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Fair comment Scottish red and I agree Murray is certainly up there but I do remember seeing him in the shirt of whoever England were playing at the time. Maybe it was a photoshop job, I don't know.

It's not like England will get too far anyway unless we bore our opponents into submission.

He was wearing a Paraguay shirt at the time and was asked why, he said because "I'm Scottish and would support anyone England is playing".....He later backtracked after the backlash and said he was joking and has apologised several times since and regularly saying it was a big mistake blaming the press for blowing it out of proportion and saying he was just 18 and a kid at the time

Lrrr

Lrrr

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Living in Wales it would bring a smile if they were to fail to reach the world cup after everything during and since the euros. 

Swede

Swede

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2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Why?

If you really need a reason . . . 

Callum, Callum O'Dowda runs down the wing for Jonathan Leko Jonathan Leko!

Guest redandy1

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52 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

To an extent the ABE thing is true but it was never a majority, I was born and bred - hence the user name obviously - but having lived here for the majority of my life I cannot comment on how things are up there now.

Just to be clear I am anything but ABE, but in a footballing sense neither country has anything to be proud about nowadays.

The jibe at Andy Murray is a bit rich and also completely untrue.

Its a totally different sport however there is a very strong argument that Murray is the best INDIVIDUAL UK sportsman of all time.

Have a listen to Sturgeon and Salmon it might help you get a clue on how things are up there now. 

Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan

Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan

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1 hour ago, Distortia said:

Not to mention (arguably) the greatest football manager we've ever seen.

McInnes?

 

2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Rubbish - they produced Gerry Gow, Kenny Dalglish, Graeme Souness, Alan Hansen, Joe Jordan, John Wark, Jimmy Johnstone, Jim Baxter, John Greig, Davie Cooper, Denis Law, Billy Bremner, Eddie Gray, Richard Gough, Archie Gemmill, Brian McClair, Gordon McQueen, Willie Miller, John Robertson, Paul Hartley, Gerry Sweeney, Donnie Gillies, John Shaw....etc etc etc!

You've accidentally missed out Ian Baird.

OldlandReddies

OldlandReddies

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Wales will most likely need to win tomorrow as a draw would mean they go out unless Serbia lose by 2 against Georgia (not going to happen) or Coatia/Ukraine draw and score less goals than Wales. Should be a hell of a game though.

pillred

pillred

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2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

I've absolutely nothing against Scotland Paul but many of their fans have ABE (Anyone But England) syndrome and it's them I'm laughing at right now. 

Andy Murray, I'm laughing at you in your Argentina shirt a few years ago! :shifty:

Absolutely right, almost every scot would support the other team playing England, I find it a compliment really. generally most English people are not as small minded and want the home nations to be in tournaments as it makes them more interesting. 

Southend Blue

Southend Blue

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Was not even aware Scotland were involved today until catching the end of commentary up by the coast this evening.     Just managed the closing stages before it was over and initial reaction was one of indifference, but in retrospect you have to feel a level of sympathy for them.

Ok, how many Scots would even travel to Russia if their team had qualified ?   The 'Tartan Army' and their journeys has been well documented, but I could only envisage a small number making the trip over even if they had of made it through qualifying.  In truth, we'll never know.

Speaking of which I don't think many nations will take all that many of their fans to Russia, the country was a poor choice for a venue - if not suspicious - but what's done is done, just don't tell me this upcoming event will cause a great level of enthralment,  (then) after that it's Qatar, no wonder people are losing interest.

One last mention before Scotland go by the wayside, the team they've possessed in years before has been good enough to challenge, but they haven't seem to have had the right mentality or desire to progress as they should.    I look at past players including Jim Baxter, John White, Dave MacKay, Dalglish, Law, Graeme Souness etc, names good enough to get in any team, but when the time mattered a collection of misfortune and inability proved their downfall.      Sorry again they were unable to qualify, nothing disingenuous, I wish now they had been one of the participants next summer.     Good for the British Isles if nothing else, we need more home nations involved at competitions of this nature.

 

sglosbcfc

sglosbcfc

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9 hours ago, Robbored said:

I'm talking about modern day Scottish football - shite.

SPL - two horse race...............every season. Except when Rangers were relegated thru financial "irregularities". Then it was a one horse race............:facepalm:

You mean two horse race between Celtic and Aberdeen? Rangers haven't finished second for years and will struggle to topple Aberdeen this season either.

ScottishRed

ScottishRed

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9 hours ago, redandy1 said:

Have a listen to Sturgeon and Salmon it might help you get a clue on how things are up there now. 

I was referring to the ABE thing.

Slightly off topic the two you mention and their party are expert at manipulating the media and a lot of the stuff they come out with is not reflective of the average person in the street.

Robbored

Robbored

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1 hour ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

I find the scots anti English obsession very childish and very odd.

It's historical. Edward Longshanks or King Edward 1st and all that. There's  been an anti English attitude for centuries, same with the Welsh and the Irish.

England used to rule them and are to blame largely for religious reasons. In the case of the Irish our English government refused to send food to them during the potato famine. It was to do with the corn laws of the time.

Alessandro

Alessandro

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As someone who travels a lot, I've come to realise that pretty much the whole world likes to see England lose. We seem to be the number 1 scalp in most sports for so many countries. We have our history to thank for that, I guess.

Personally I'd like to see a lot more of the Scottish and Welsh spirit in our national team. I look on a little enviously at those crazy Welsh qualifying nights in Cardiff. I haven't felt the buzz that they must experience there, with England for more years than I can remember. 

I know it's been said before, but don't you just sense the players seem to go through the motions and are so detached from the fans.

Jack Dawe

Jack Dawe

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41 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

As someone who travels a lot, I've come to realise that pretty much the whole world likes to see England lose. We seem to be the number 1 scalp in most sports for so many countries. We have our history to thank for that, I guess.

Personally I'd like to see a lot more of the Scottish and Welsh spirit in our national team. I look on a little enviously at those crazy Welsh qualifying nights in Cardiff. I haven't felt the buzz that they must experience there, with England for more years than I can remember. 

I know it's been said before, but don't you just sense the players seem to go through the motions and are so detached from the fans.

Well, I suppose one way to generate that Cardiff/Welsh pashion and buzz, would be to not qualify for a major tournament for 60 years.....

Kodjias Wrist

Kodjias Wrist

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

It's historical. Edward Longshanks or King Edward 1st and all that. There's  been an anti English attitude for centuries, same with the Welsh and the Irish.

England used to rule them and are to blame largely for religious reasons. In the case of the Irish our English government refused to send food to them during the potato famine. It was to do with the corn laws of the time.

Yep centuries ago...

Major Isewater

Major Isewater

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The Scottish seem to have a disproportionate number of smallminded individuals .

 I give you two true stories .

Many years ago I was with an English group of colleagues sent by our company to open a superstore in Bishop Briggs , near Glasgow .

We were booked into a hotel with a bar in the Campsie Fells .

We arrived Saturday around 8 o'clock after a long journey up from the South.

We asked for a menu only to be told that the kitchen was closed and when we wanted to order some drinks the bar steward told us that the bar was also closed .

All the while locals were being served food and drink .

What a welcome .

I have a Scots friend , who told me about an American friend of his who decided to visit Scotland to discover his roots .

It all went swimmingly, in the bar, drinks were sunk , stories exchanged , a general warmth and pleasure was shared as   ' one of theirs ' was returning proudly to the cradle of his ancestors.

That was until he had to sign the visitors book .

The owner of the hotel threw him out .

His crime ?  His clan betrayed another clan to the English 600 years ago. 

Knobs .

Guest redandy1

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2 hours ago, ScottishRed said:

I was referring to the ABE thing.

Slightly off topic the two you mention and their party are expert at manipulating the media and a lot of the stuff they come out with is not reflective of the average person in the street.

So was I.

ChippenhamRed

ChippenhamRed

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Being married in to a Plaid Cymru-supporting Welsh family, I find the most effective response to any anti-English stance is sheer ambivalence.  I just don't rise to it.  I'll be wholeheartedly backing Wales tonight whilst getting my Mrs to translate S4C for me.  That'll probably annoy them more than anything.

Jack Dawe

Jack Dawe

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Scotland should really have gone close in '78, that was their real chance (look what they did to Holland). Apart from Narey's "toe poke" putting them one up v Brasil, it's been downhill ever since for them. We are going the same way, but at a slower pace.

 

pillred

pillred

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15 hours ago, redandy1 said:

Have a listen to Sturgeon and Salmon it might help you get a clue on how things are up there now. 

to be fair they seem to speak for a minority these days.

PHILINFRANCE

PHILINFRANCE

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5 hours ago, Alessandro said:

As someone who travels a lot, I've come to realise that pretty much the whole world likes to see England lose. We seem to be the number 1 scalp in most sports for so many countries. We have our history to thank for that, I guess.

Personally I'd like to see a lot more of the Scottish and Welsh spirit in our national team. I look on a little enviously at those crazy Welsh qualifying nights in Cardiff. I haven't felt the buzz that they must experience there, with England for more years than I can remember. 

I know it's been said before, but don't you just sense the players seem to go through the motions and are so detached from the fans.

It is some years since I have lived in England or followed England home or abroad, but your comments about 'spirit', 'crazy' and the 'buzz' resonate with me as well.

Passion is an oft-used word when describing football, in respect of both players and fans, but I struggle to compare favourably the 'passion' shown in England's most recent match against Germany by the shaven-headed, tattooed thugs, shouting/singing their spittle filled venom and their incessant songs about the war with the perhaps less loud, but, surely, no less fervent passion shown by our neighbours; the men wearing kilts and tam o'shanters with false ginger beards, both men and women wearing leeks and daffodil hats, and the masses of green, with their leprechaun hats and beards, all of them singing and chanting with such an engaging, almost forlorn, hope that they might win a match, let alone progress in the tournament - except, of course, they did last time out in France.

Finally, I can assure you that the French people with whom I discussed the 2016 games in France were full of nothing but praise for the 'British?' fans, especially the Irish who were based in Versailles, but were less than warm towards the English fans (Russian involvement notwithstanding) in Marseilles.     

SARJ

SARJ

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3 hours ago, Robbored said:

They all hold a grudge indefinitely KW...

Have to agree. Personally speaking, Scots I've encountered tend to be a racist (i.e. anti-English) and opinionated bunch. Also obsessed with religion and history from centuries ago. Always found it odd that they wear Argentina shirts to games against us despite the fact their countrymen fought and died against the Argies during the Falklands. Weird bunch.

Again, just my personal encounters, not speaking for Scots as a whole, who I've been assured can be very friendly and welcoming.

 

The Gasbuster

The Gasbuster

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7 minutes ago, SARJ said:

Have to agree. Personally speaking, Scots I've encountered tend to be a racist (i.e. anti-English) and opinionated bunch. Also obsessed with religion and history from centuries ago. Always found it odd that they wear Argentina shirts to games against us despite the fact their countrymen fought and died against the Argies during the Falklands. Weird bunch.

Again, just my personal encounters, not speaking for Scots as a whole, who I've been assured can be very friendly and welcoming.

 

This.

The sweaties gave Maradonna a hero's welcome in Glasgow just a couple of years after our Mexico defeat to the Argies in '86.

Adulation for a guy who cheated in a game of football (!!) a couple of years previously. Yet no hint of malice towards him with regard to the Scots Guards who lost their lives on Mount Tumbledown, just four years previously ! :facepalm:

Lanterne Rouge

Lanterne Rouge

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As far as I`m concerned I just want to see as many City players at the World Cup as possible. Hence I want Ireland to win just as much as I want Iceland, Senegal and Australia to.

It shouldn`t be about politics, it should be about players achieving their dreams and hopefully raising our club`s profile in the process.

TRL

TRL

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19 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

McInnes?

 

You've accidentally missed out Ian Baird.

Ian Baird!!! Probably missed of cos he's northern not Scottish. Otherwise He'd be top of the list of Greats!

Rob k

Rob k

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6 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

It is some years since I have lived in England or followed England home or abroad, but your comments about 'spirit', 'crazy' and the 'buzz' resonate with me as well.

Passion is an oft-used word when describing football, in respect of both players and fans, but I struggle to compare favourably the 'passion' shown in England's most recent match against Germany by the shaven-headed, tattooed thugs, shouting/singing their spittle filled venom and their incessant songs about the war with the perhaps less loud, but, surely, no less fervent passion shown by our neighbours; the men wearing kilts and tam o'shanters with false ginger beards, both men and women wearing leeks and daffodil hats, and the masses of green, with their leprechaun hats and beards, all of them singing and chanting with such an engaging, almost forlorn, hope that they might win a match, let alone progress in the tournament - except, of course, they did last time out in France.

Finally, I can assure you that the French people with whom I discussed the 2016 games in France were full of nothing but praise for the 'British?' fans, especially the Irish who were based in Versailles, but were less than warm towards the English fans (Russian involvement notwithstanding) in Marseilles.     

Nobody are provoked the same as the English no matter what anyone says. There were About 50000 English in that harbour and the vast majority were there for a crack. 

Red-Robbo

Red-Robbo

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14 hours ago, Robbored said:

It's historical. Edward Longshanks or King Edward 1st and all that. There's  been an anti English attitude for centuries, same with the Welsh and the Irish.

England used to rule them and are to blame largely for religious reasons. In the case of the Irish our English government refused to send food to them during the potato famine. It was to do with the corn laws of the time.

I could point out all the historical inaccuracies and misinterpretations in that post, evil twin, but I don't have an hour to spare.

Don't get your historical knowledge from Hollywood is all I'll advise.

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