Fat Cigar Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Leading on from the brilliantly titled thread last week about England. Personally, my passion/interest for the England national team has been severely tested over the last few years, with Euro 2016 being the final straw. Be interested to see what people think re: the poll. If I'd set this poll 10+ years ago, I would have (probably) answered England. Now? Bristol City winning promotion every time.
Admin Phantom Posted October 9, 2017 Admin Posted October 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said: If I'd set this poll 10+ years ago, I would have (probably) answered England. Now? Bristol City winning promotion every time. Completely agree, used to say England as it would be such as massive thing to enjoy with all friends But nowadays it would be City every day of the week
swanker Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Bristol City are my team every day of the week.
RaspberryRed Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Said it before. The more I watch England the more I realise it's only City I love and care about
Eddie Hitler Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Same as above. Twenty years ago it would have been England winning the World Cup, no question at all. Now I take the view that if the majority of the England team can't be bothered then I don't see why I should be either. The Bristol City players do very much still care about their team so that's who I want to succeed. I didn't watch a single minute of the two England games; twenty years ago I wouldn't have missed a single minute.
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I didn't even watch the highlights of the last two England games, from the sounds of it wouldn't have been a huge amount of time to take them in.
ZiderEyed Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 City every time. Far more realistic and all mind.
Ska Junkie Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I used to follow both ardently and attended Mexico 86, Germany 88, Italy 90 and Sweden 92 plus a couple of games at Euro 96 and Germany 2006. Now, I'll watch England on the tele but am not really that bothered. The fact Russia are hosting and then Qatar doesn't help but it's CIty all day long for me. I will watch next summers world cup and would love England to do well but won't get too carried away like I used to.
WolfOfWestStreet Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, RaspberryRed said: Said it before. The more I watch England the more I realise it's only City I love and care about The more i watch the premier league the more i hate it. World cup win for me it's a bigger achievement.
Meh Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 It has to be City. Whilst I would love to see England win the world cup in my life time, it would be a buzz for a few weeks - at most to the next failure friendly a few weeks later. With City this is a minimum of one season with many sold out games against the so-called "cream of the crop". We will also end up finding out if Pack IS better than Henderson !!
cidercity1987 Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Bristol City or England? The answer is Bristol City. But Premiership promotion v World Cup isn't a like for like comparison in my opinion. I should see BC in the Premiership in my lifetime but I doubt England will win the World Cup so I chose the latter. Premiership Champions v World Cup winners and I'd chose the Prem.
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I didn't even know we had Scotland in our group until the other night.
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 To break the pattern it is England to win the World Cup over anything City will ever or can achieve. Let's not kid ourselves, if England by some miracle find themselves in the Semis next summer then all the crap football will be forgotten and almost everyone will be watching. And when/if we ever win it again, the national hysteria and celebration will far exceed anything that City could produce. I don't think it'll happen any time soon, but it isn't really comparable in my opinion.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Not even close: as stated previously on here, I would trade England never qualifying for anything else for as long as live in exchange for City winning a trophy of note.
REDLEE Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 City all day long. Used to get caught up in the media hype going into every tournament, but since the so called golden generations shoot out failures and Rooney's outburst against the fans in 2010, my patience for England has ran out.
AppyDAZE Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Bristol City should be an independent country. Stupid question.
Fat Cigar Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 54 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Same as above. Twenty years ago it would have been England winning the World Cup, no question at all. Now I take the view that if the majority of the England team can't be bothered then I don't see why I should be either. The Bristol City players do very much still care about their team so that's who I want to succeed. I didn't watch a single minute of the two England games; twenty years ago I wouldn't have missed a single minute. You know, I'm not sure that's true. We're just not that good anymore. Loads of reasons why we always underachieve (which I won't go into), but I do believe the players care.
Fat Cigar Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 49 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: The more i watch the premier league the more i hate it. World cup win for me it's a bigger achievement. Can we at least get to the Prem and then hate it afterwards??!
Super Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Surely it should be winning the premier league? Not sure getting there should be compared to a world cup win.
Fat Cigar Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 42 minutes ago, Neo said: It has to be City. Whilst I would love to see England win the world cup in my life time, it would be a buzz for a few weeks - at most to the next failure friendly a few weeks later. With City this is a minimum of one season with many sold out games against the so-called "cream of the crop". We will also end up finding out if Pack IS better than Henderson !! I actually think the atmosphere in the country would be amazing. And last several months. But, City first for me.
Fat Cigar Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 29 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: To break the pattern it is England to win the World Cup over anything City will ever or can achieve. Let's not kid ourselves, if England by some miracle find themselves in the Semis next summer then all the crap football will be forgotten and almost everyone will be watching. And when/if we ever win it again, the national hysteria and celebration will far exceed anything that City could produce. I don't think it'll happen any time soon, but it isn't really comparable in my opinion. True. But it ain't gonna happen is it.
nickolas Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Couldnt give a t0ss about England. Players are dreadful but are so overhyped i guess they believe theyre superstars even though a lot of them wouldnt stand out a great deal at championship level. Negative mindset, tactics and this incessant need for meaningless keep ball in our own half drives me mad. English football was always wing play, pace, power and strength and failing that, very direct. Why we try to be like everyone else is beyond me. Wish we’d go back to basics and not try to conform to the Spain tippy-tap bullsh1t we have spent years trying to replicate ( very badly ).
Fat Cigar Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Super said: Surely it should be winning the premier league? Not sure getting there should be compared to a world cup win. I'm trying to be realistic. More chance of England winning the WC than us winning the Prem. Ok, Eng are useless, but surely that's more likely to happen?
RaspberryRed Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said: I didn't even watch the highlights of the last two England games, from the sounds of it wouldn't have been a huge amount of time to take them in. There wern't any
CyderInACan Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Club before Country every time for me. C O Y R
LondonBristolian Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Definitely City. England winning the world cup would be amazing but: a) Bristol City getting promoted would feel more special to me personally. b) England winning the world cup would lead to embarrassing scenes of every non-football supporting politician, TV host and celebrity trying to make it all about them. c) the hype for future tournaments in the press would be unbearable.
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 28 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said: True. But it ain't gonna happen is it. But that's not the question being asked though is it?
Spoons Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Club before country for me now. Agreed if asked this 10 years ago would have said England.
cidered abroad Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Easy answer as my national team wear red shirts!
RedM Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Club every time. In fact I think I'm more interested in individual players, so Hordour for Iceland, Callum for Eire is much more interesting and relevant than Henderson, etc for England.
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 City going up certainly. I recall around me at AG 10 years ago when we failed to reach the Euros, a general consensus seemed to be club over country even then. International football generally...definitely good matches, teams to watch as a neutral but England bore the hell out of me mostly unfortunately.
Fat Cigar Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 15 minutes ago, RedM said: Club every time. In fact I think I'm more interested in individual players, so Hordour for Iceland, Callum for Eire is much more interesting and relevant than Henderson, etc for England. Which could lead us on to a different question: imagine a scenario when a City player, (two above for e.g. although can't see Mags staying beyond Jan) playing for his country, scores against Eng, would you cheer/be happy/smile/curse?
pillred Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I voted for England to win the world cup simply because it's only ever 4 years and city have a chance every season, plus it did not say you could not have one without the other never happening.
Abraham Romanovich Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I would like the idea of winning promotion to the Premier League but once there not so sure it would be that enjoyable so it's England for me Who wouldn't miss the national bed wetting when we reach the knock out stages before being knocked out because of penalties/cheating Argies/deflected free-kicks/should have been sent off Dutch players/Kevin Keegan/Elieen Drury/A petulant flick/a dodgy ruled out goal from a corner/a flukey free-kick/David Batty/Gazzy being short/Paul Ince/Chris Waddle's dream of puting an object into space/allegations of theft/Peter Sodding Bonnetti/Jamie Carragher.
TBW Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Couldn't give a toss about international football. I grew up watching Bristol City with my Dad and this will always be my #1 football team. England are just some moany gits who stop the regular club football every few months so they can scrape by random other countries to then perform poorly on the bigger stage. I didn't go to their games as a kid, didn't queue to meet their players, they're not a community I grew up feeling a part of, didn't go to their Christmas parties and get a picture with a favourite player. International football is just a collection of players from teams I don't like.
riverrunsred Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 England for me, whilst I agree the football has been pretty horrendous I just can't help imagining how the feeling would be if we won the World Cup again!! i think that feeling would elapse the city to premier. Just my thoughts
EnderMB Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 For me it would be without a shadow of doubt England winning the World Cup. Those two aren't even comparable. England winning footballs most prestigious international competition, or Bristol City playing in the top-flight. Now, if we're talking about Bristol City winning the Premier League, that's a different story.
pillred Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 2 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: The more i watch the premier league the more i hate it. World cup win for me it's a bigger achievement. don't worry about robin tbw snaking you he rubbished me for having the audacity to be patriotic as well.
DaveInSA Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I have to say that this is a little tricky poll isn't it? Is the premier league all it's cracked up to be? Haven't watched for years, I have no interest in watching Man U, Chelski, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs walk the league every year (aside from the Leicester year obviously, when actually I was a bit interested). These guys are overpaid, brain dead morons. And then there's the England team. Who lost all my respect when they played here in 2010. Rooney was a complete disgrace that night, he was awful and treated the fans like garbage - who pays your wages mate (oh yes sky TV). So by a hair its BCFC to be promoted.
Offside Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 My interest in watching England has been on the wane for several years now, so I'd choose City getting promoted.
Offside Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, DaveInSA said: I have to say that this is a little tricky poll isn't it? Is the premier league all it's cracked up to be? Haven't watched for years, I have no interest in watching Man U, Chelski, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs walk the league every year (aside from the Leicester year obviously, when actually I was a bit interested). These guys are overpaid, brain dead morons. And then there's the England team. Who lost all my respect when they played here in 2010. Rooney was a complete disgrace that night, he was awful and treated the fans like garbage - who pays your wages mate (oh yes sky TV). So by a hair its BCFC to be promoted. Really good point about the Premier League. There would be a few things lots of us wouldn't like if we got there (stupid kick off times, a few hidings, watching the antics of some of the "superstars" etc). Having said that, it would raise the profile of our club and give us more clout financially if we found ourselves back in the Championship.
Fat Cigar Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 Some of you have pointed out I should have given the option of City winning the Prem. But, whilst the chances of England winning the WC are remote, the chances of us winning the Prem are zero. So, being realistic here. Let's also be honest, we are far more likely to get promoted than England are of winning anything.
Nogbad the Bad Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 52 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said: Which could lead us on to a different question: imagine a scenario when a City player, (two above for e.g. although can't see Mags staying beyond Jan) playing for his country, scores against Eng, would you cheer/be happy/smile/curse? Curse, surely? City players are transient, your country isn't. Having said that it's City first for me and it will take a lot to see me ever passionate about the England team again.
RedM Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 16 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Curse, surely? City players are transient, your country isn't. Perhaps, yes if it ever came down to it but I think I'd manage a rue smile really. Let's face it Bristol City are never going to have players who will be better than anyone playing for England so if one of ours manages to score against the Premiership's finest then you got to crack a smile haven't you. If England gets outdone by a mere Bristol City player playing for a lower ranked nation then they deserve to be defeated.
robinreliant Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: I didn't even know we had Scotland in our group until the other night. Were they ? Neither did I.
slartibartfast Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 There IS no comparison (as far as I'm concerned) CITY by a full distance .
Wanderingred Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 City every time for me like most on here, but why have people given snakes and rubbish reactions to people with a different opinion?
BS2 Red Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Bristol City for me. I haven’t cared at all about England since 2010.
Nogbad the Bad Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 35 minutes ago, RedM said: Perhaps, yes if it ever came down to it but I think I'd manage a rue smile really. Let's face it Bristol City are never going to have players who will be better than anyone playing for England so if one of ours manages to score against the Premiership's finest then you got to crack a smile haven't you. If England gets outdone by a mere Bristol City player playing for a lower ranked nation then they deserve to be defeated. I said I've lost alot of interest in the England team RedM. but I still watch the games as an England fan and would always want them to win. I also live in hope a manager/team will yet come along to resurrect my previous passion for the national team. I support all players in a Red City shirt and want all our players to do well on international duty - but that would go out the window if they were playing against England. No conflict of interests for me - I always want Bristol City to win and the same goes for England, simple as that.
Guest Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I was in West Germany (as it was then) when they won in '90 - the place went ballistic. A world cup win brings a country together. The World Cup transcends club football (on winning the final) every time for me. To add a realistic note: England have won it once in my lifetime (the only time and I was a mere babe so never got to experience the atmosphere) and City have been in the top division in that time also. I suspect that City will get to the top division before England win the World Cup again.
BrightCiderLife Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Not sure I follow the reasoning from a lot on here: I don't like the overpaid prima donnas, but I do want City to join the league that created the overpaid prima donnas. I went for England because I think in my lifetime I will see City promoted to the Prem, possibly more than once, whereas I doubt I'll ever see us winning the World Cup. Therefore, if it were a choice of what happens in 2018, I'd go for England - City then have another 3 years to secure promotion before I can ask the OTIB genie for another wish!
Judda Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I care way more about City than England but if England did win a major trophy in my lifetime it'd be great... also getting to the premiership isn't the be all... tin hat time... but for me England!
Judda Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 4 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: Bristol City or England? The answer is Bristol City. But Premiership promotion v World Cup isn't a like for like comparison in my opinion. I should see BC in the Premiership in my lifetime but I doubt England will win the World Cup so I chose the latter. Premiership Champions v World Cup winners and I'd chose the Prem. True. Just getting to the Premiership isn't the same...
South Somerset Red Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Don't follow England really in the same way, city is pretty much every week so i have a much closer love to the club than the country. Don't go to England games so instantly the fact of not being there will be a massive disadvantage. Saying that, winning the world cup over promotion is a bigger thing, as much as i would love to see us get to the prem it hardly compares to winning the world cup but if it was us winning the prem then i would say city all the time but i will see pigs fly before i see this.
WolfOfWestStreet Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 2 hours ago, pillred said: don't worry about robin tbw snaking you he rubbished me for having the audacity to be patriotic as well. I've had plently of snakes this year on my opinions of lee johnson. Being a proud englishman comes before club for me however unpopular with the city die hards.
Floatn Over Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Had to think about which way to vote for all of 0.0000005 of a second. COYR
BS15_RED Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I used to love watching England, I was spoiled as the first major tournament I remember was Italia 90. I enjoyed the era’s of Venables, Hoddle, Sven, watching England was a massive social event, going out with the boys, few beers, the agony, the ecstasy, it was never dull! Then along came Roy Hodgson in 2012, boring football, the team being set up not to lose, rather than going out to win. The abject performance at Euro 2016 (Wales aside) and people like Sam Allardyce and Gareth Southgate getting the job that the great Brian Clough craved, but never got, sums up just how dire the whole FA/ England situation is. I said last week that if England were now playing in my garden, I’d pull the curtains! City for me all the way.
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 What about England winning the World Cup v City winning the FA Cup?
BigTone Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, Float'n Over said: Had to think about which way to vote for all of 0.0000005 of a second. COYR Procrastinator
BigTone Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Already seen us win a World Cup (albeit very young) so must be the Prem
Bazooka Joe Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 The way I see it is..... Bristol City WILL get into the Premiership, England WON'T ever win the World Cup again.
Atlanta_Red Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 City, then Atlanta United, followed by a very distant third, England.
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 City for me every time. I'm 72 and there is no way that I will see England win the World Cup again in my lifetime, it's just not going to happen, now, City getting into the Premier League, well that's a possibility. I was 30 when AD and the boys got into the old Div 1 and I enjoyed those few seasons, I really hope that I will see City in the top flight again. Although I'm still not fully convinced about LJ, I want to see the club in the top division, before I shuffle off this mortal coil! COYR's
Leveller Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I suspect that perhaps a lot of the club v country judgements would change if England were actually good and had a strong chance in the World Cup. Let's face it, if that were the case, the chance only comes up once in four years, so it's a difficult choice. If I really thought England could win the World Cup in 2018, then I would choose that with City to be propmoted in 2019.
Maltshoveller Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 It would depend on how long City stayed in the prem If only for one season Then England
Rob k Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 6 hours ago, nickolas said: Couldnt give a t0ss about England. Players are dreadful but are so overhyped i guess they believe theyre superstars even though a lot of them wouldnt stand out a great deal at championship level. Negative mindset, tactics and this incessant need for meaningless keep ball in our own half drives me mad. English football was always wing play, pace, power and strength and failing that, very direct. Why we try to be like everyone else is beyond me. Wish we’d go back to basics and not try to conform to the Spain tippy-tap bullsh1t we have spent years trying to replicate ( very badly ). Who overhypes them? I don’t know anybody who expects this lot to do anything at the next tournament, we are very much a 2nd tier side at the moment.
ElTanko Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 City of course. If England won the world cup, with the current squad, it would be pure luck and bad performances by every other team. Not because they are actually the best in the world. Now city in the other hand. You can see we are playing so well and can Improve upon that, so would be genuinely earned.
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