Ska Junkie Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Who's the City player in this pic? Season 78/79. We have a bit of a debate going on and I need an answer. It might be handy to have a thread of old pic questions anyway. I reckon it's Jimmy Mann and a fellow red reckons it's Joe Royle.
Ska Junkie Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Chris Garland He was fair in those days wasn't he?
Judda Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: He was fair in those days wasn't he? He fouled a bit...
Nogbad the Bad Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I like the way Muhren signed himself simply as 'Arnold' and that his 2nd middle name was Hyacinthus!
A Horse With No Name Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I have the programme somewhere so will be able to clarify.
A Horse With No Name Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Just looked it up. It was the last time we won at Ipswich in 1978/ 9 with a last minute Tom Ritchie goal, and the player is Joe Royle.
'Orns Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 For those a little older than me, how good a player was Kevin Beattie? I hear a lot that he was a top player What happened with him, injuries I guess?
Ska Junkie Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, Woodsy said: For those a little older than me, how good a player was Kevin Beattie? I hear a lot that he was a top player What happened with him, injuries I guess? Very good indeed but blighted by injuries which led to his premature retirement IIRC.
Ska Junkie Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said: Just looked it up. It was the last time we won at Ipswich in 1978/ 9 with a last minute Tom Ritchie goal, and the player is Joe Royle. Fair play THWNN, I wouldn't have said Royle. Thanks.
'Orns Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Very good indeed but blighted by injuries which led to his premature retirement IIRC. Hell of a team Ipswich had back then. I remember Muhren and Thijssen (spelling?) really well, but I missed out on Beattie. Anyone from the same era talks really highly of him
Ska Junkie Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, Woodsy said: Hell of a team Ipswich had back then. I remember Muhren and Thijssen (spelling?) really well, but I missed out on Beattie. Anyone from the same era talks really highly of him Indeed, a great side. I'm no Ipswich fan but would stand a chance of naming it as they were that good. Cooper Burley Osman Beattie Mills Wark Thiissen Muhren Gates Mariner Brazil I bet that isn't far away.
Nogbad the Bad Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Indeed, a great side. I'm no Ipswich fan but would stand a chance of naming it as they were that good. Cooper Burley Osman Beattie Mills Wark Thiissen Muhren Gates Mariner Brazil I bet that isn't far away. Butcher instead of Osman, Whymark instead of Mariner, and probably Talbot instead of Gates, but the team evolved so you're not far out Ska. Great team assembled by a superb manager.
cidered abroad Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 David Woods book " City 1894-1987" shows Joe Royle as number 9 in three away games at Ipswich from 1977 to 1980. In 76-77 Peter Cormack wore 9.
A Horse With No Name Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Team that day was Cooper Osman Mills Burley Beattie Talbot Wark Muhren Woods Whymark Mariner sub Brazil
42nite Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: Very good indeed but blighted by injuries which led to his premature retirement IIRC. I've had a few of those.
Ska Junkie Posted October 9, 2017 Author Posted October 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Butcher instead of Osman, Whymark instead of Mariner, and probably Talbot instead of Gates, but the team evolved so you're not far out Ska. Great team assembled by a superb manager. Blimey, there's some names from the past! Trevor Whymark, what a good and underrated player he was. I totally agree about the Manager too. Good work Noggers et all. I really enjoy old stuff like this, it would be nice if we could keep it going with other old pics.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Ska Junkie said: Who's the City player in this pic? Season 78/79. We have a bit of a debate going on and I need an answer. It might be handy to have a thread of old pic questions anyway. I reckon it's Jimmy Mann and a fellow red reckons it's Joe Royle. Anelka. It's always Anelka.
BS15_RED Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Woodsy said: Hell of a team Ipswich had back then. I remember Muhren and Thijssen (spelling?) really well, but I missed out on Beattie. Anyone from the same era talks really highly of him There’s a story that while they were filming Escape To Victory Beattie had an arm wrestle with Sylvester Stallone and beat him, and that for the rest of the time they were together filming Stallone refused to talk to him after! Shame it never put him off making Over The Top! Anyone who’s seen that film will know what I mean.
archie andrews Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 I spotted elvis right at the front byJRs left knee.............
A Horse With No Name Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 55 minutes ago, archie andrews said: I spotted elvis right at the front byJRs left knee............. Yes. Hard to pick out, but he's there. Elvis was a Ted.
downendcity Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 4 hours ago, One Team In Keynsham said: Anelka. It's always Anelka. Liked her in Treasure Hunt back in the day. Looked good in those jump suits.
richwwtk Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 4 hours ago, Ska Junkie said: Blimey, there's some names from the past! Trevor Whymark, what a good and underrated player he was. He was also picked as Man Of The Match for the 1978 FA Cup Final, despite being an unused squad player. I believe Margaret Thatcher was picking the MoM and took his name at random from a list.
ScottishRed Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 It was a hell of a team - George Burley and John Wark two fabulous players. George had a decent start in management too but it all went wrong - too many 'refreshments ' allegedly. Dont know what happened to Wark.
Davefevs Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 Wark went to Liverpool, and although the didn’t play as well as at Ipswich, he still scored a fair few goals from midfield. Eric Gates - the moaniest player I’ve ever seen at AG....for Sunderland. Mariner - at one point him and Cheesely vying for England u23 honours....fine lines and injuries. Paul Cooper - penalty save King. Was it true that Roger Osborne never kicked a ball again for Ipswich after his cup final winner? Brazil was a very good player. Easy to think of him as an overweight radio presenter, but he was very good.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 47 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Wark went to Liverpool, and although the didn’t play as well as at Ipswich, he still scored a fair few goals from midfield. Eric Gates - the moaniest player I’ve ever seen at AG....for Sunderland. Mariner - at one point him and Cheesely vying for England u23 honours....fine lines and injuries. Paul Cooper - penalty save King. Was it true that Roger Osborne never kicked a ball again for Ipswich after his cup final winner? Brazil was a very good player. Easy to think of him as an overweight radio presenter, but he was very good. Seems to be close, but no cigar. Certainly his last kick in the final but not his last game for Ipswich: In 1978, he was part of the Ipswich team that won the FA Cup against Arsenal, scoring the winning goal in the 77th minute, in a 1-0 victory. His celebration upon scoring the winning goal caused him to faint and be substituted with only ten minutes of the match remaining.[2] In 1979, he was loaned to NASL side Detroit Express, for whom he played 22 matches. Osborne played his final game for Ipswich on 15 November 1980 in a league match against Leicester City.[3]
Davefevs Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: Seems to be close, but no cigar. Certainly his last kick in the final but not his last game for Ipswich: In 1978, he was part of the Ipswich team that won the FA Cup against Arsenal, scoring the winning goal in the 77th minute, in a 1-0 victory. His celebration upon scoring the winning goal caused him to faint and be substituted with only ten minutes of the match remaining.[2] In 1979, he was loaned to NASL side Detroit Express, for whom he played 22 matches. Osborne played his final game for Ipswich on 15 November 1980 in a league match against Leicester City.[3] Ta....would’ve been a great piece of Trivia.
cheshire_red Posted October 9, 2017 Posted October 9, 2017 1 hour ago, richwwtk said: He was also picked as Man Of The Match for the 1978 FA Cup Final, despite being an unused squad player. I believe Margaret Thatcher was picking the MoM and took his name at random from a list. absolutely correct, said to the Son a lot, Whymark?
Red Homer Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 11 hours ago, archie andrews said: I spotted elvis right at the front byJRs left knee............. I spotted Elvis IN JRs left knee.........
archie andrews Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 8 hours ago, richwwtk said: He was also picked as Man Of The Match for the 1978 FA Cup Final, despite being an unused squad player. I believe Margaret Thatcher was picking the MoM and took his name at random from a list. don't know where you got her name from.......she weren't pm at time
richwwtk Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, archie andrews said: don't know where you got her name from.......she weren't pm at time No, but she was leader of the opposition
richwwtk Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, archie andrews said: don't know where you got her name from.......she weren't pm at time It would appear the story is almost true, just that it wasn't an official thing by the looks of it.... https://www.candis.co.uk/all-Extra-Features/fa-cup-final-blunders/ "Missing the mark After attending the 1978 FA Cup Final between Ipswich and Arsenal as a guest of honour, Margaret Thatcher told Radio 2 that the player wearing the number 10 shirt, Trevor Whymark, had been her Man of the Match. However, despite clearly impressing Maggie, Whymark’s Man of the Match credentials may be called into question as he had been kept out of the team due to injury and had actually failed to play in the match that day."
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 3 hours ago, richwwtk said: It would appear the story is almost true, just that it wasn't an official thing by the looks of it.... https://www.candis.co.uk/all-Extra-Features/fa-cup-final-blunders/ "Missing the mark After attending the 1978 FA Cup Final between Ipswich and Arsenal as a guest of honour, Margaret Thatcher told Radio 2 that the player wearing the number 10 shirt, Trevor Whymark, had been her Man of the Match. However, despite clearly impressing Maggie, Whymark’s Man of the Match credentials may be called into question as he had been kept out of the team due to injury and had actually failed to play in the match that day." Typical self-obsessed Thatcher, going for number 10 even as early as 1 year before the general election.
Midlands Robin Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 3 hours ago, richwwtk said: It would appear the story is almost true, just that it wasn't an official thing by the looks of it.... https://www.candis.co.uk/all-Extra-Features/fa-cup-final-blunders/ "Missing the mark After attending the 1978 FA Cup Final between Ipswich and Arsenal as a guest of honour, Margaret Thatcher told Radio 2 that the player wearing the number 10 shirt, Trevor Whymark, had been her Man of the Match. However, despite clearly impressing Maggie, Whymark’s Man of the Match credentials may be called into question as he had been kept out of the team due to injury and had actually failed to play in the match that day." One thing I don't understand is that this was in the days before squad numbers. If a player was called up to play he was given the shirt corresponding to his position. So there must have been a player in the final on the pitch that day wearing the number 10. Trevor Whymark may well have been the regular player in the number 10 shirt but if he didn't play on that day it would have been someone else. A quick check shows the player in the number 10 shirt for Ipswich to be David Geddis.
richwwtk Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Midlands Robin said: One thing I don't understand is that this was in the days before squad numbers. If a player was called up to play he was given the shirt corresponding to his position. So there must have been a player in the final on the pitch that day wearing the number 10. Trevor Whymark may well have been the regular player in the number 10 shirt but if he didn't play on that day it would have been someone else. A quick check shows the player in the number 10 shirt for Ipswich to be David Geddis. I suspect that maybe the teamsheet MT had was printed before Whymark had to withdraw through injury. You often see old programmes with handwritten amendments where the lineup has changed after printing.
'Orns Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 18 hours ago, BS15_RED said: There’s a story that while they were filming Escape To Victory Beattie had an arm wrestle with Sylvester Stallone and beat him, and that for the rest of the time they were together filming Stallone refused to talk to him after! Shame it never put him off making Over The Top! Anyone who’s seen that film will know what I mean. A truly awful film. Thank you for reminding me! 15 hours ago, richwwtk said: He was also picked as Man Of The Match for the 1978 FA Cup Final, despite being an unused squad player. I believe Margaret Thatcher was picking the MoM and took his name at random from a list. Ha, that is brilliant
Nogbad the Bad Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 22 hours ago, Ska Junkie said: Blimey, there's some names from the past! Trevor Whymark, what a good and underrated player he was. I totally agree about the Manager too. Good work Noggers et all. I really enjoy old stuff like this, it would be nice if we could keep it going with other old pics. Yep, I love the old pics. too Ska, especially naming the old players - City and opposition - even though I got JR wrong this time.
pillred Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 22 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Butcher instead of Osman, Whymark instead of Mariner, and probably Talbot instead of Gates, but the team evolved so you're not far out Ska. Great team assembled by a superb manager. shows what can be done with the right team spirit, Nottingham forest were similar, not the biggest club but the right blend of players fighting for each other.
Ska Junkie Posted October 10, 2017 Author Posted October 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, pillred said: shows what can be done with the right team spirit, Nottingham forest were similar, not the biggest club but the right blend of players fighting for each other. I reckon Brian Clough and Bobby Robson might have helped Pill!
Major Isewater Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 18:15, The Horse With No Name said: Just looked it up. It was the last time we won at Ipswich in 1978/ 9 with a last minute Tom Ritchie goal, and the player is Joe Royle. I'm surprised that it's Royle . I remember him as being more lanky than that. On 09/10/2017 at 23:32, richwwtk said: He was also picked as Man Of The Match for the 1978 FA Cup Final, despite being an unused squad player. I believe Margaret Thatcher was picking the MoM and took his name at random from a list. What Margaret Thatcher didn't know about football could have been written on the back of a cigarette packet . She was a big supporter and favoured attacking on the right wing .
Major Isewater Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 On 09/10/2017 at 23:32, richwwtk said: He was also picked as Man Of The Match for the 1978 FA Cup Final, despite being an unused squad player. I believe Margaret Thatcher was picking the MoM and took his name at random from a list. You misheard it was Man of the Thatch .
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