Trueredsupporter Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 When did you last think that England winning the world cup was a realistic possibility instead of a fantasy? 2002 and I honestly cant see things changing in the next ten.
Cowshed Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 98 before England lost in St Etienne v Argentina. The U teams while winning tournaments do not look good enough beyond being physical to change the outlook. Might even get tougher ..
Admin Phantom Posted October 10, 2017 Admin Posted October 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Trueredsupporte said: When did you last think that England winning the world cup was a realistic possibility instead of a fantasy? 2002 and I honestly cant see things changing in the next ten. Would aqree with the year, Brazil were there for the taking that day. As usual we stumbled in the group, but put Argentina out on the way. Reckon the heat got to our players and certainly won't get a better chance than playing 10 men in a quarter final As for the future, there is nothing in the current set up that says we are going to excel in Russia. OK we have Kane on fire, but the midfield are what are going to cost us! Looking further than that, all our age groups are winning tournaments but how many of them will actually make an impact at the top end of the game We'd need a big slide of luck to finally go our way.... Things could be worse, we could be one of the other home nations
Septic Peg Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Agreed. 1998 and 2002. Was in the Lions for 2006 quarters v Portugal and was highly drunk. I still hate Lamps for that day. Missed the first pen and we knew we were screwed from there on in...
ZiderEyed Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Septic Peg said: Agreed. 1998 and 2002. Was in the Lions for 2006 quarters v Portugal and was highly drunk. I still hate Lamps for that day. Missed the first pen and we knew we were screwed from there on in... Was that the one where Carragher was made to retake his penalty and missed?
Septic Peg Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: Was that the one where Carragher was made to retake his penalty and missed? Yeah. Ran to the ball before the ref whistled.
Offside Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Agree with 2002. We should have beaten Brazil in that quarter final. The win vs Argentina was great (I watched it in the Old Fishmarket pub on Baldwin St), especially after the 1998 defeat. It's depressing how England have declined since then.
Iron Acton Red Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 1982 we had a quality team,i thought that we could of gone all the way then.
Offside Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, FramptonRed said: 1982 we had a quality team,i thought that we could of gone all the way then. That's the first World Cup I remember - especially the victory against France when we scored after about 30 seconds and that brilliant game when Italy beat Brazil.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Looking back at the ones I remember: 2014: no 2010: no 2006: no 2002: outside chance due to the side of the draw we were on 1998: no: not because we were poor, just that we were nowhere near the quality was going to be needed to beat one or more of France, Brazil, Netherlands and Italy 1994: n/a 1990: probably our last great chance to win it 1986: certainly might have had a run to the final, but would not have fancied our chances v West Germany 1982: no. Then again, the best team in the tournament couldn't even win it. 1978: n/a I think since Italia 90 we have won 3 knock-out games at major finals, with various iterations of Golden Generations, I think that sums up how 2nd rate we truly are when compared to the likes of Brazil, Germany etc.
Robbored Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 24 minutes ago, Offside said: That's the first World Cup I remember - especially the victory against France when we scored after about 30 seconds and that brilliant game when Italy beat Brazil. That's the WC when Keegan missed a simple header and managed to hit the post........ forget who against but that miss cost us
cider-manc Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2006. First 11 was full of top players.... they just couldn't play well as a team. They were that good that playing as individuals and without playing well they made the quarters (what we would give to progress through a knock out game nowadays!) and that was without both first choice strikers being fully fit. Best "team" on paper in my lifetime.
Welcome To The Jungle Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2002 should have been ours. Against Brazil Beckham jumped out of a 50/50 and the next Englishman to touch the ball is Seaman plucking the ball out the net. Then the flooky free kick. Next up was a very beatable Turkey before arguably the worst German side in a long time waiting for us in the final, 10 months on from a thrashing in Munich. If Ashley Cole and Gerrard had been fit we'd have won that tournament, with or without a left winger
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Robbored said: That's the WC when Keegan missed a simple header and managed to hit the post........ forget who against but that miss cost us Against Spain in the final group game of the 2nd phase: him and Brooking were brought having not played the entire tournament. Saw both our 2nd round games that year, 0-0 v W Germany and then Spain. W Germany went through by virtue of their win over Spain.
Iron Acton Red Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Offside said: That's the first World Cup I remember - especially the victory against France when we scored after about 30 seconds and that brilliant game when Italy beat Brazil. I remember we didnt lose a game that world cup either but we had to beat Spain,we battered them but couldnt score. Keegan came on and missed a sitter.
Iron Acton Red Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 59 minutes ago, Robbored said: That's the WC when Keegan missed a simple header and managed to hit the post........ forget who against but that miss cost us Spain
One BCFC Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2002. Massive opportunity missed as per usual, Brazil yes they had the 3 R's but I thought we more than matched them elsewhere. The other quarter finalists were Germany (Who had a poor side that year), Spain, South Korea, Turkey, USA & Senegal. We'd have beat them all. Also although it is not the World Cup but Euro 2004 was the last time we ever looked like we could win a Tournament.
Jackson Lamb Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, BA14 RED said: 2002. Massive opportunity missed as per usual, Brazil yes they had the 3 R's but I thought we more than matched them elsewhere. The other quarter finalists were Germany (Who had a poor side that year), Spain, South Korea, Turkey, USA & Senegal. We'd have beat them all. Also although it is not the World Cup but Euro 2004 was the last time we ever looked like we could win a Tournament. South Korea were on fire weren't they? Knocked out Spain & Italy if I recall?
TheCulturalBomb Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2002 was the time we could have won, I remember reading it was going to be between us and Brazil to win it. But destiny calls and purple Ronnie played a blinder.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: South Korea were on fire weren't they? Knocked out Spain & Italy if I recall? They had some very favourable refereeing along the way if I recall.
One BCFC Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: South Korea were on fire weren't they? Knocked out Spain & Italy if I recall? Were they? Or was it FIFA?
Sweeneys Penalties Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 4 hours ago, Trueredsupporte said: When did you last think that England winning the world cup was a realistic possibility instead of a fantasy? 2002 and I honestly cant see things changing in the next ten. I wasn't old enough for the 66 World Cup.... still hell bent on playing with my bucket and spade on Weymouth beach apparently. We had a good squad in Mexico 70.... but I was still too young to take much of it in. In my lifetime, I have never felt England stood any chance of lifting the World Cup.. apart from Italia 90 (when like the team, I warmed to the tournament as it progressed). And then the Germans turned up. So....in my footballing lifetime.... Bobby Robsons England in 1990
havanatopia Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 1990 I agree Pens. I must have a re look at 2002 though.. Lot of people talking about that one. When England go out it all becomes a blur really and what with the corrupt organisation at the top, and i do not doubt for a second it is anywhere near clean, I have lost significant interest since Bobbys boys of 1990.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, havanatopia said: 1990 I agree Pens. I must have a re look at 2002 though.. Lot of people talking about that one. When England go out it all becomes a blur really and what with the corrupt organisation at the top, and i do not doubt for a second it is anywhere near clean, I have lost significant interest since Bobbys boys of 1990. A win in 2002 was certainly possible, I am just not convinced it was realistically so. But, I think since 1990 it was our best chance.
robin_unreliant Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 5 hours ago, phantom said: As for the future, there is nothing in the current set up that says we are going to excel in Russia. OK we have Kane on fire, but the midfield are what are going to cost us! No argument about us lacking quality in midfield. However I think England's biggest problem is the defence. As soon as we play a decent side who attack us the defence tends to fall apart. Some of the goals we concede in tournament games are frankly embarrassing. Once we face a half decent team I am just waiting for them to waltz through our woeful defence.
Meh Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Italia 90 was the only squad capable - nothing since.
stephenkibby. Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 74. If it wasn't for that bloody Polish keeper we would have qualified and won the cup Amazing to think it was only a three team group including Wales and we still didn't make the finals. The blame must be put on all the foreign players in Div 1 at the time.
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 7 hours ago, Trueredsupporte said: When did you last think that England winning the world cup was a realistic possibility instead of a fantasy? 2002 and I honestly cant see things changing in the next ten. Our record ain't great.....eg we only 'qualified' for four World Cups from 1962 to 1998.....can't ever see us winning a major tournament....there ain't enough English players playing at the top levels around the World...
One BCFC Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, robin_unreliant said: No argument about us lacking quality in midfield. However I think England's biggest problem is the defence. As soon as we play a decent side who attack us the defence tends to fall apart. Some of the goals we concede in tournament games are frankly embarrassing. Once we face a half decent team I am just waiting for them to waltz through our woeful defence. So your telling me a squad with Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Beckham, Owen, Terry, Cole, Rooney were not capable? They definitely were capable but shockingly mis managed!
Judda Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2014 ******* can't help myself. Ask the same question in a year and I will say 2018 even though I know we don't have a hope... But what's the point if you don't allow yourself a bit of optimism? Always believe Judda aka the fool
Chairman Mao Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Euro 2004 was the best chance since 1990. Sol Campbell's disallowed goal still rankles.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said: Euro 2004 was the best chance since 1990. Sol Campbell's disallowed goal still rankles. You might have misread the question Mao old chap, I am not sure you can with the World Cup at the Euros. Even FIFA couldn't engineer that one....
North London Red Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 51 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Our record ain't great.....eg we only 'qualified' for four World Cups from 1962 to 1998.....can't ever see us winning a major tournament....there ain't enough English players playing at the top levels around the World... I've seen Scotland fans claim similar things before and at risk of being ultra pedantic, it's not really true. 1962 - we qualified. 1970 - we qualified by virtue of winning the previous World Cup. 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998 - we qualified. So I make it six times that we qualified on merit, plus one occasion that we qualified by virtue of being hosts, in the 1962 to 1998 period that you quote. The 1970s and 1994 may well have been fallow periods but England have qualified for 9 of the 10 world cups up to and including Russia, which is (perhaps surprisingly) more than France and more than Holland in the same period. Admittedly those two have done better when they did get there, mind!
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, North London Red said: I've seen Scotland fans claim similar things before and at risk of being ultra pedantic, it's not really true. 1962 - we qualified. 1970 - we qualified by virtue of winning the previous World Cup. 1982, 1986, 1990, 1998 - we qualified. So I make it six times that we qualified on merit, plus one occasion that we qualified by virtue of being hosts, in the 1962 to 1998 period that you quote. The 1970s and 1994 may well have been fallow periods but England have qualified for 8 of the 9 world cups up to and including Russia, which is (perhaps surprisingly) more than France and more than Holland in the same period. Admittedly those two have done better when they did get there, mind! Ok, by saying we'd only qualified for four World Cups from 1962 to 1998 my thinking was this.... 1966 - we didn't qualify we were allowed in as hosts 1970 - we didn't qualify we were allowed in as holders 1974 - we didn't qualify 1978 - we didn't qualify 1982 - we qualified 1986 - we qualified 1990 - we qualified 1994 - we didn't qualify 1998 - we qualified That all looks like four qualifications to me....?!
North London Red Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Ok, by saying we'd only qualified for four World Cups from 1962 to 1998 my thinking was this.... 1966 - we didn't qualify we were allowed in as hosts 1970 - we didn't qualify we were allowed in as holders 1974 - we didn't qualify 1978 - we didn't qualify 1982 - we qualified 1986 - we qualified 1990 - we qualified 1994 - we didn't qualify 1998 - we qualified That all looks like four qualifications to me....?! 1962 - we qualified. 1970 - are you really saying we didn't qualify?! Up to the late 1990s and excluding the host nation, there were two ways of qualifying - either win the previous World Cup, or go through regional / continental qualifying groups. We qualified on merit for 1970 didn't we?!
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, North London Red said: 1962 - we qualified. 1970 - are you really saying we didn't qualify?! Up to the late 1990s and excluding the host nation, there were two ways of qualifying - either win the previous World Cup, or go through regional / continental qualifying groups. We qualified on merit for 1970 didn't we?! You can argue the semantics, but I would say we received an automatic berth as holders for 1970, in line with the tournament rules, and it is stretching it to call it qualification. I recall the hoopla after beating Hungary in the final game in 1981 since it was generally accepted to be the first time we had qualified for the finals since 1962. Particularly after the horror show we had made of the group with defeats away to Switzerland and Norway. Yes, THAT Norway game. And I think the Switzerland game is referenced in Steaming In as a match where it was horrific in the away end, culminating with London teams' fans scrapping with everyone else.
BS4 on Tour... Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, North London Red said: 1962 - we qualified. 1970 - are you really saying we didn't qualify?! Up to the late 1990s and excluding the host nation, there were two ways of qualifying - either win the previous World Cup, or go through regional / continental qualifying groups. We qualified on merit for 1970 didn't we?! 1970 - we did not go through a qualifying group...we did not play one qualifying game, yet we were granted entry to the finals, therefore we didn't qualify...
Bris Red Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 Basically under Sven we should have won or got too a final of a major competition. Was deffo a case of right players wrong manager, fo0k me the quality between 2002 and 2006 was semi final worthy at least.
North London Red Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: 1970 - we did not go through a qualifying group...we did not play one qualifying game, yet we were granted entry to the finals, therefore we didn't qualify... Going round in circles here but I would argue that the 1966 World Cup final was effectively a qualifying game for 1970 given that England and West Germany knew before the game that whoever won would participate in 1970! Either way it's not four times between 1962 and 1998 given that we also qualified in 1962...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Our record ain't great.....eg we only 'qualified' for four World Cups from 1962 to 1998.....can't ever see us winning a major tournament....there ain't enough English players playing at the top levels around the World... Bang on!!!!! Gareth Southgate mentioned this in a semi defence last week. The facts are the facts. We have a Premier League which demands instant success, and if that success comes from abroad, then so be it. There aren't many English players in the Premier Leagu
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 1 minute ago, North London Red said: Going round in circles here but I would argue that the 1966 World Cup final was effectively a qualifying game for 1970 given that England and West Germany knew before the game that whoever won would participate in 1970! Either way it's not four times between 1962 and 1998 given that we also qualified in 1962... BTW, I know you are joking.
Sweeneys Penalties Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, bris red said: Basically under Sven we should have won or got too a final of a major competition. Was deffo a case of right players wrong manager, fo0k me the quality between 2002 and 2006 was semi final worthy at least. so who should have managed (with the bonus of hindsight). My recollection was that it was either Sven or some unlucky bloke with an English birth certificate who had just as well as been Mike Bassett
North London Red Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: BTW, I know you are joking. I often get those sorts of reactions when I speak to people...!!
Sweeneys Penalties Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, stephenkibby. said: 74. If it wasn't for that bloody Polish keeper we would have qualified and won the cup Amazing to think it was only a three team group including Wales and we still didn't make the finals. The blame must be put on all the foreign players in Div 1 at the time. Can't blame it all on Tomazewski. Gregorz Lato, Jerzy Gorgon and co may have something to say about that game. We dominated a match like no other I've seen before or since. Then Norman missed a tackle...the rest is history. Poland finished 3rd in 74....they weren't a bad side at all http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/germany1974/teams/team=43962/matches.html ... and if they weren't that bad... how good could we have been. We didn't qualify... and thats the end of the story
BCFC Rich Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 38 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: You can argue the semantics, but I would say we received an automatic berth as holders for 1970, in line with the tournament rules, and it is stretching it to call it qualification. 1 Brazil are going to be upset to hear that their record of qualifying for every World Cup has gone! 6 times they have failed to qualify since 1958 - a terrible record. Good job for them they got lucky and won it so many times.
steviestevieneville Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Neo said: Italia 90 was the only squad capable - nothing since. 98 was and we had the manger
stephenkibby. Posted October 10, 2017 Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: Can't blame it all on Tomazewski. Gregorz Lato, Jerzy Gorgon and co may have something to say about that game. We dominated a match like no other I've seen before or since. Then Norman missed a tackle...the rest is history. Poland finished 3rd in 74....they weren't a bad side at all http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/germany1974/teams/team=43962/matches.html ... and if they weren't that bad... how good could we have been. We didn't qualify... and thats the end of the story To be fair we had some players at the time. Shilton.Roy Mcfarland Alan Clarke Colin Bell and the great Tony Currie. and not forgetting the most complete player of the time Paul Madeley. We also had was it the same time? Hudson , Bowles Worthington, Beattie, Todd, Tony Brown (WBA ) And many more. May not a side to win the world cup but all the top sides had a player you would pay to watch.
Sweeneys Penalties Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 5 hours ago, stephenkibby. said: To be fair we had some players at the time. Shilton.Roy Mcfarland Alan Clarke Colin Bell and the great Tony Currie. and not forgetting the most complete player of the time Paul Madeley. We also had was it the same time? Hudson , Bowles Worthington, Beattie, Todd, Tony Brown (WBA ) And many more. May not a side to win the world cup but all the top sides had a player you would pay to watch. We had a fantastic squad. No question. My theme was that people keep referring to a "lucky" Poland side without giving them a scrap of credit. They were so poor that they finished 3rd in 74 and Paul Breitner thought they could well have won the competition.
robin_unreliant Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 8 hours ago, BA14 RED said: So your telling me a squad with Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Beckham, Owen, Terry, Cole, Rooney were not capable? They definitely were capable but shockingly mis managed! No - I was replying to a comment about the current team and our chances looking forward with what we've got now. I do think we should have done better with the players you mentioned there. At that time there was still some optimism around as we knew we had some good players. A lot of that has evaporated I suspect because we can see the squad is nowhere near that level now.
Nicki's soulmate Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 18 hours ago, Trueredsupporte said: When did you last think that England winning the world cup was a realistic possibility instead of a fantasy? 2002 and I honestly cant see things changing in the next ten. Same here, 2002, that game against Brazil, when England could barely get out of their own penalty area. The laughable 'Golden Generation' hype prior to 2006 and 2010 when apparently England just had to show up to win the cup. I never expect anything from major tournaments, so never really disappointed. The bottom line is 'not good enough' whoever is manager
Nicki's soulmate Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 13 hours ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: I wasn't old enough for the 66 World Cup.... still hell bent on playing with my bucket and spade on Weymouth beach apparently. We had a good squad in Mexico 70.... but I was still too young to take much of it in. In my lifetime, I have never felt England stood any chance of lifting the World Cup.. apart from Italia 90 (when like the team, I warmed to the tournament as it progressed). And then the Germans turned up. So....in my footballing lifetime.... Bobby Robsons England in 1990 Was also down at Weymouth then, ( Chessel Beach), listening to the games on the radio in the caravan
Phileas Fogg Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 26 minutes ago, Nicki's soulmate said: Same here, 2002, that game against Brazil, when England could barely get out of their own penalty area. The laughable 'Golden Generation' hype prior to 2006 and 2010 when apparently England just had to show up to win the cup. I never expect anything from major tournaments, so never really disappointed. The bottom line is 'not good enough' whoever is manager I think post 2000 we had a decent outside chance in 2002 and 2006. The one that got away for me, albeit not a World Cup, was Euro 2004 when I felt if Rooney had stayed fit we could have won. From 2010 onwards we just haven’t had anywhere near the quality required.
Super Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 Just 1990 for me. Still think to this day had we another keeper we may have won that game.
Super Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 9 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: 98 was and we had the manger We also had batty and Ince.
Sixtyseconds Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 98. Momentum from 96. Got past Italy to qualify. Looking good at Le Tournoi De France ... The team looked the bollocks as well. Part of the duty free army in France with camp site techno parties and vindaloo and explosive pyro as the soundtrack with the smell of tear gas in the early morning. IT whatever IT was there in the support. The realisation the wave had rolled back (for what know seems ever) was after the running battle back to the campsite with the Frenches Arab service firm. The bulldog sound system and DJ's stopped in respect after twenty eight crazy nights. Very special place, very special time did later tournaments but never felt IT again.
Super Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Sixtyseconds said: 98. Momentum from 96. Got past Italy to qualify. Looking good at Le Tournoi De France ... The team looked the bollocks as well. Part of the duty free army in France with camp site techno parties and vindaloo and explosive pyro as the soundtrack with the smell of tear gas in the early morning. IT whatever IT was there in the support. The realisation the wave had rolled back (for what know seems ever) was after the running battle back to the campsite with the Frenches Arab service firm. The bulldog sound system and DJ's stopped in respect after twenty eight crazy nights. Very special place, very special time did later tournaments but never felt IT again. I don't think it was that good a team, we were crap in the group stages. Yes we played well against the Argies but doubt we would have gone much further.
Sixtyseconds Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 Just now, Super said: I don't think it was that good a team, we were crap in the group stages. Yes we played well against the Argies but doubt we would have gone much further. Nope. Beat France and Italy in the warm up. Still beating teams in tournaments. Now even the hooligans get schooled by Europe.
Wanderingred Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 In 1990, I was absolutely convinced we were going to win it. The dreams of a 7 year old boy. After getting past Belgium and Cameroon in the way we did, I thought that football was like a movie where the good guys always win right at the end. I cried for hours after the Germany game. After that, I realised how cruel football could be and never got my hopes up for England again.
Admin Ian M Posted October 11, 2017 Admin Posted October 11, 2017 The problem as I see it over recent years is we know we don't have the technical ability to take on the French, Spanish, Germans and Brazilians in a possession game but we have had the players to play a counter attacking game (fairly solid defence with pacy attacks/wide players). The thing is, qualifying groups are so weak that even if we wanted to practice hitting teams on the break, every game ends up with us having 60-70% possession. We then struggle past the group stage playing the same style (that we aren't particularly comfortable with) against slightly better opposition but as soon as we come up against a half decent team we have to resort to those alien counter attacking tactics whilst they play the game they are used to and we go out. The only way we will win a cup in my lifetime is if the academies start producing better technically trained players so we can play that possession style better than our foreign counterparts and not have to change our game when we play them. The "under" sides have recently been having some decent success but whilst our players look better trained technically than before, none make you sit up and go wow, we are still relying too much on physicality which is negated by the time we face the men's national sides of Brazil, Spain etc
steviestevieneville Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Super said: We also had batty and Ince. And ?
Super Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: And ? We didn't have very good players....
steviestevieneville Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, Super said: We didn't have very good players.... Utter crap . Have a look, batty yes too an extent but he was about and out defensive midfielder . Look down that list multiple league and European cup winners plus shearer who scored 260 league goals. It's your opinion but imo you talk a lot of rubbish .
Super Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Utter crap . Have a look, batty yes too an extent but he was about and out defensive midfielder . Look down that list multiple league and European cup winners plus shearer who scored 260 league goals. It's your opinion but imo you talk a lot of rubbish . We had Anderton, Batty, Ince, Le Saux, Southgate and Merson against the Argies. We were crap in the tournament apart from one game which we still lost. England: Seaman; G Neville, Adams, Campbell; Anderton (Batty 96), Beckham, Ince, Le Saux (Southgate 70); Scholes (Merson 78); Owen, Shearer.
steviestevieneville Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Super said: We had Anderton, Batty, Ince, Le Saux, Southgate and Merson against the Argies. We were crap in the tournament apart from one game which we still lost. England: Seaman; G Neville, Adams, Campbell; Anderton (Batty 96), Beckham, Ince, Le Saux (Southgate 70); Scholes (Merson 78); Owen, Shearer. Sorry but as I stated before you talk rubbish and trying to prove your point you added Merson , Southgate , Batty who were all good players (all came on late as subs ) especially Merson who was class . Hearing other pros talk about the others you understand how valued they were, especially Anderton . Oh by the way Hoddle might know a thing or two more than you . Singling out ince for his performance in Italy the night we qualified as a true captains performance . He only played for Man Utd , inter Milan and Liverpool but he must be crap.
Super Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 49 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: Sorry but as I stated before you talk rubbish and trying to prove your point you added Merson , Southgate , Batty who were all good players (all came on late as subs ) especially Merson who was class . Hearing other pros talk about the others you understand how valued they were, especially Anderton . Oh by the way Hoddle might know a thing or two more than you . Singling out ince for his performance in Italy the night we qualified as a true captains performance . He only played for Man Utd , inter Milan and Liverpool but he must be crap. Ah so he played for top clubs so must have been great for England......
steviestevieneville Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 39 minutes ago, Super said: Ah so he played for top clubs so must have been great for England...... You said they weren't very good players which is bollocks . Hoddle himself was world class but not in a England shirt as we didn't play too his strengths , similar with a lot of our players. Just stop now please you're making yourself look daft.
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: Utter crap . Have a look, batty yes too an extent but he was about and out defensive midfielder . Look down that list multiple league and European cup winners plus shearer who scored 260 league goals. It's your opinion but imo you talk a lot of rubbish . What was up with Fowler then? Was he out injured or out of favour?
BS5_RED Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: Utter crap . Have a look, batty yes too an extent but he was about and out defensive midfielder . Look down that list multiple league and European cup winners plus shearer who scored 260 league goals. It's your opinion but imo you talk a lot of rubbish . Bloody hell, Gascoigne was only 31 then. I remember being livid that Hoddle had dropped him. The argument in the pro Gascoigne camp was "as if he isnt one of the best 22 players in the country, he's taking Rob Lee FFS. No bloody Le Tiss either". In hindsight, and being armed with all the facts Hoddle probably didn't have much choice.
steviestevieneville Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 33 minutes ago, BS5_RED said: Bloody hell, Gascoigne was only 31 then. I remember being livid that Hoddle had dropped him. The argument in the pro Gascoigne camp was "as if he isnt one of the best 22 players in the country, he's taking Rob Lee FFS. No bloody Le Tiss either". In hindsight, and being armed with all the facts Hoddle probably didn't have much choice. Could never understand how Hoddle never gave Le Tiss more caps as they were similar players and Hoddle was undervalued by England . There was a story from le tiss that Hoddle always gave him a hard time. As for gazza I think he saw him as a problem he didn't need. If Hoddle had been more experienced he might of been able to handle him better.
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