cider-manc Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 http://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/newsid=2508466.html Being introduced to replace some of the meaningless friendlies with competitive games apparently. England will get battered in that group!!!!
Admin Phantom Posted October 11, 2017 Admin Posted October 11, 2017 Looks a great idea, at least we will be tested against sides with a similar capability and the end of pointless friendlies Amusing Wales missed out on the top group due to their defeat against Ireland Don't agree that England will get "battered in that group" Looks who we are against: Germany, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, Iceland, Croatia, Netherlands At present I would fancy us against any of them except Spain and Germany
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, phantom said: Looks a great idea, at least we will be tested against sides with a similar capability and the end of pointless friendlies Amusing Wales missed out on the top group due to their defeat against Ireland Don't agree that England will get "battered in that group" Looks who we are against: Germany, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, Iceland, Croatia, Netherlands At present I would fancy us against any of them except Spain and Germany Having watched the shitshows in our last 2 games, I want a pint of whatever it is you are drinking.
View from the Dolman Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 24 minutes ago, cider-manc said: http://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/newsid=2508466.html Being introduced to replace some of the meaningless friendlies with competitive games apparently. England will get battered in that group!!!! That isn't the group. We'll be put into a group alongside 3 other teams from League A. Potentially we could see a group of us alongisde Poland, Switzerland and Iceland? Also not sure it makes much difference to the opposition we play in friendlies... last few friendly matches have been France (A), Germany (A), Spain (H).
North London Red Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 If we end up in a group with two of Spain, France and Germany - yes, we'd be struggling. If we end up in a group with Switzerland and Poland - we'd arguably be favourites given our recent record against both countries. From a travel perspective I'm not overly enamoured about the prospect of yet more away games in Holland, Germany, France or Spain. Iceland away would be very decent - England have only ever played there once, in 1982.
North London Red Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: That isn't the group. We'll be put into a group alongside 3 other teams from League A. Potentially we could see a group of us alongisde Poland, Switzerland and Iceland? Also not sure it makes much difference to the opposition we play in friendlies... last few friendly matches have been France (A), Germany (A), Spain (H). It's four groups of three for the A league, so we'll end up in a group with two other teams.
Admin Phantom Posted October 11, 2017 Admin Posted October 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said: Having watched the shitshows in our last 2 games, I want a pint of whatever it is you are drinking. We'd win them 1-0 again in a borefest Perhaps it's Gareth's plan to bore the world to a trophy
View from the Dolman Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, North London Red said: It's four groups of three for the A league, so we'll end up in a group with two other teams. Ah yes. Too many leagues and groups to take in for one reading!
Ska Junkie Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, phantom said: Looks a great idea, at least we will be tested against sides with a similar capability and the end of pointless friendlies Amusing Wales missed out on the top group due to their defeat against Ireland Don't agree that England will get "battered in that group" Looks who we are against: Germany, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, Iceland, Croatia, Netherlands At present I would fancy us against any of them except Spain and Germany We could conceivably lose all of them as well phantom! I've never, in my 50 years on this planet, known English fans to be so disillusioned with their national side, even in the dark days of the late 70's people still cared.
The Bard Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: We could conceivably lose all of them as well phantom! I've never, in my 50 years on this planet, known English fans to be so disillusioned with their national side, even in the dark days of the late 70's people still cared. When people talk about the England team they sound like manic depressives. By that I mean either we're shit and there's no hope (current situation) or 'there's no reason why we can't win the world cup', (see June 2018 when the hype and advertising kick in). In some ways it's good that the illusions have been removed. Just wish people would just leave the manager to it. The sane amongst us know that the truth lies between these views. Let's face it, it really does not matter what any of us think. The Italians managed to win 2 World Cups when their public thought they were shit.
WolfOfWestStreet Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 53 minutes ago, cider-manc said: http://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/mediaservices/newsid=2508466.html Being introduced to replace some of the meaningless friendlies with competitive games apparently. England will get battered in that group!!!! I doubt we'd get battered. Our record in friendlies against the better sides is pretty good. Germany away, Portugal at home we've beaten. It's teams that park the bus in the qualifiers we find hard to break down. When was the last time england got properly battered??
Super Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 Not the friendlies that need looking at it's the qualifying groups. Fed up playing against boring second rate teams that aren't even interested in attacking.
Lrrr Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 29 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: That isn't the group. We'll be put into a group alongside 3 other teams from League A. Potentially we could see a group of us alongisde Poland, Switzerland and Iceland? Also not sure it makes much difference to the opposition we play in friendlies... last few friendly matches have been France (A), Germany (A), Spain (H). Switzerland had the joint 4th best record in qualifying losing one game to Portugal (the last one) so they went into the play offs on goal difference with 27 points! Not sure they're a team people would be looking forward to...
View from the Dolman Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, hodge said: Switzerland had the joint 4th best record in qualifying losing one game to Portugal (the last one) so they went into the play offs on goal difference with 27 points! Not sure they're a team people would be looking forward to... Fair comment. They had a bit of an odd group though - two teams dominating the group with nine wins a piece, the Faroe Islands finished 4th above two other nations!
Coxy27 Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, The Bard said: Germany 2010 B-B-B-B-bbbBUT Lampard scored!
Ska Junkie Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, The Bard said: When people talk about the England team they sound like manic depressives. By that I mean either we're shit and there's no hope (current situation) or 'there's no reason why we can't win the world cup', (see June 2018 when the hype and advertising kick in). In some ways it's good that the illusions have been removed. Just wish people would just leave the manager to it. The sane amongst us know that the truth lies between these views. Let's face it, it really does not matter what any of us think. The Italians managed to win 2 World Cups when their public thought they were shit. I was generalizing TBH bard. After multiple tournaments, I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that England won't win the WC in my lifetime but i thoroughly enjoyed watching them try. As for the Italians being shit and winning, we must be nailed on next summer then!!
Midlands Robin Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 I know this would be controversial but for qualification for major tournaments I believe UEFA should only include teams in groups A, B and C. For those in group D this UEFA league would act as an intermediate qualifying tournament where the top 4 teams would be promoted at the end of the year and able to attempt to qualify for the Euro's / World Cup the following year. I can never see what's to be gained by having the likes of San Marino and Gibraltar getting smashed in 10 out of 10 games every qualifier.
Super Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Midlands Robin said: I know this would be controversial but for qualification for major tournaments I believe UEFA should only include teams in groups A, B and C. For those in group D this UEFA league would act as an intermediate qualifying tournament where the top 4 teams would be promoted at the end of the year and able to attempt to qualify for the Euro's / World Cup the following year. I can never see what's to be gained by having the likes of San Marino and Gibraltar getting smashed in 10 out of 10 games every qualifier. San Marino and Gibraltar and some of the other lesser teams should be playing each other. Totally agree with you these games are a complete non event.
RedRobin13 Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 I know it would never happen but hopefully if we play our Nations League games at Wembley against the bigger teams it might allow the European Qualifiers to be taken around the country again!
Guest Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, phantom said: Looks a great idea, at least we will be tested against sides with a similar capability and the end of pointless friendlies Amusing Wales missed out on the top group due to their defeat against Ireland Don't agree that England will get "battered in that group" Looks who we are against: Germany, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy, Poland, Iceland, Croatia, Netherlands At present I would fancy us against any of them except Spain and Germany Cant see us beating Germany, Belgium, Space, France, Poland....Iceland..... The rest is fair game
Ska Junkie Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 16 minutes ago, Super said: San Marino and Gibraltar and some of the other lesser teams should be playing each other. Totally agree with you these games are a complete non event. As long as there's the opportunity for 'promotion' for the lower sides, I agree with you. If there isn't, how can they get better? It's a bit like the 6 nations in egg chasing, IMHO there should be a lower tournament for the likes of Georgia, Romania and Spain where the winner replaces the bottom side in the 6 nations. We might struggle to survive in the 'A' group but, fair's fair, if we finish bottom, we go into 'B' and aspire to get back.
BCFC1512 Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 Belgium and Iceland would be nice not done either country..
The Gasbuster Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 If this means more games & more international breaks; then expect the top PL clubs to kick off about it. Mourinho, Guardiola, Pochettino etc.. will not be happy about their players playing more games. Expect some withdrawals due to "injuries", and England playing a B team (might not be a bad thing !).
BCFC Rich Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Eastside Moonwalker said: Cant see us beating Germany, Belgium, Space, France, Poland....Iceland..... The rest is fair game They have a team now! They're going to be out of this world!
One Team In Keynsham Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: If this means more games & more international breaks; then expect the top PL clubs to kick off about it. Mourinho, Guardiola etc will not be happy about their players playing more games. Expect some withdrawals due to "injuries", and England playing a B team (might not be a bad thing !). I understand it is to use dates that are presently given over to friendlies. That said, seems a wasted exercise for the smaller nations: whereas they might have got a crowd out to watch a decent team, or even England, I can't imagine many people bothering to show up for a dead-rubber league game between Gibraltar and Liechtenstein. Edit: just seen this, maybe some merit for the tinpot nations, and England: For the 2020 finals, to be hosted by multiple cities across Europe, there will be no automatic qualifying berths, and the 2020 qualification will be linked with the inaugural 2018–19 edition of the newly created UEFA Nations League. There will be ten qualifying groups for Euro 2020, and the winners and runners-up will qualify; then, the four winners (or the four best-placed teams not yet qualified for the Euro finals) of each of the four divisions of the Nations League will compete in the play-offs for that division, and the winners of the play-offs for each division will be allocated the remaining four remaining places at Euro 2020.
22A Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 3 hours ago, phantom said: Looks a great idea, at least we will be tested against sides with a similar capability and the end of pointless friendlies However " The league phase will be played over six matchdays from September to November 2018" presumably means more International breaks in the League programme? i thought September '18 would see the first of the Euro 2020 qualifiers.
Midlands Robin Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 It shouldn't mean any more international breaks. There are currently 4 in a season and with the A Group containing England there will be 4 groups of 3. That's a total of 4 matches in the group stage (2 home / away) which will account for 2 international breaks and then the top 4 teams will play a semi-final, final and 3rd / 4th place play off resulting in one more break. So the whole thing will be done in 3 international breaks. (assuming they play 2 games during each break of course)
steviestevieneville Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 5 hours ago, BCFC Richard said: They have a team now! They're going to be out of this world! Atmosphere will be crap though
SedRA Posted October 11, 2017 Posted October 11, 2017 Well, technically there would be no atmosphere.
cidered abroad Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 More meaningless internationals to give our players more opportunity to tire and injure themselves!
View from the Dolman Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 46 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: More meaningless internationals to give our players more opportunity to tire and injure themselves! It's not "more". These will be played in international slots that previously had friendlies scheduled.
Bristol Rob Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 11 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: Atmosphere will be crap though Local derby against LA Galaxy.
EnderMB Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 Sounds like the wrong solution to the problem of too many international breaks. A league isn't a terrible idea, but instead of making international football more meaningful, clump all of the matches together so we get fewer, but longer breaks. Teams can still meet up during the season, but it keeps training frequent while adding a more tournament feel to the qualifying process.
The Bard Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 That would never wash with Clubs and the likes of Sky. They want their regular fix. It's a good suggestion though. One of the reasons why we do poorly at tournaments is we don't seem to think about who is a good tourist. This matters when you are away together and boredom sets in.
Scrumpy Dziek Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 20 hours ago, Midlands Robin said: It shouldn't mean any more international breaks. There are currently 4 in a season and with the A Group containing England there will be 4 groups of 3. That's a total of 4 matches in the group stage (2 home / away) which will account for 2 international breaks and then the top 4 teams will play a semi-final, final and 3rd / 4th place play off resulting in one more break. So the whole thing will be done in 3 international breaks. (assuming they play 2 games during each break of course) The group games will be played over the 3 international breaks in Sep/Oct/Nov. It's not possible to play all of the games in 2, even in a 3 team group.
Oizys Posted October 12, 2017 Posted October 12, 2017 Before reading the (extremely confusing) bit about 2020 qualification I kinda held the view that this is in no way more important than friendlies than the Toulon tournament was. My view hasn't changed a hell of a lot as qualification is the only thing we succeed at, generally. It's almost as if UEFA expects everyone to care as much about this as we do about the Euro's or World Cup (and lately even that is very little).
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