The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 What a complete and utter embarrassment today. At least partly responsible for every goal, and did one of the most embarrassing shirt pulls I have ever seen in a game of professional football. Unforgivably slow and tormented by Leeds all day. Should never be trusted again in a City shirt. Ship him out, leave him to rot in the development squad, whatever. About as slow as continental drift, and incapable of communicating with the rest of the back 4. weirdly enough reacting 'rubbish' doesn't make him suddenly capable of performing a sliding tackle. I don't like going full Thatch but he was just so frustrating all game.
Loco Rojo Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Hahaha quality. Not even 90 minutes and you've written him off. 1 bad game doesn't make a bad player.
Guest BCFC1990 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 You obviously haven't seen pack today not surprised when they can walk through our midfield like they have
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 This isn't just one game- he's always looked out of place unless we have played substantially inferior opposition. He'll never adapt to the game here. Was excited by the signing originally, but which role can he actually play?
AirlieBeachRed Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Judging on today he just isn't good enough. I can't really see him being up to standard ever.
Charlie BCFC Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: What a complete and utter embarrassment today. At least partly responsible for every goal, and did one of the most embarrassing shirt pulls I have ever seen in a game of professional football. Unforgivably slow and tormented by Leeds all day. Should never be trusted again in a City shirt. Ship him out, leave him to rot in the development squad, whatever. About as slow as continental drift, and incapable of communicating with the rest of the back 4. Bye bye Jens.Your card is marked. You won't be missed. I’m not there today and apparently Hegeler has been awful but that’s one game all the other games he’s done ok. You can’t base a player on just one game.
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Flint says No said: I’m not there today and apparently Hegeler has been awful but that’s one game all the other games he’s done ok. You can’t base a player on just one game. I disagree. Good against Plymouth but had you put a red shirt on me I could have done that too. Mostly poor and occasional moments of full retardation. Not what is expected from a so called Champions League player
Loco Rojo Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 YES! my first 'Rubbish' emoji. Can you start a Matty Taylor out thread now too? Love it
joe jordans teeth Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: What a complete and utter embarrassment today. At least partly responsible for every goal, and did one of the most embarrassing shirt pulls I have ever seen in a game of professional football. Unforgivably slow and tormented by Leeds all day. Should never be trusted again in a City shirt. Ship him out, leave him to rot in the development squad, whatever. About as slow as continental drift, and incapable of communicating with the rest of the back 4. Bye bye Jens.Your card is marked. You won't be missed. 7 minutes ago, BCFC1990 said: You obviously haven't seen pack today not surprised when they can walk through our midfield like they have You could of had Booby Moore and John Terry in their pomp playing today but as @BCFC1990 said if you have pack protecting them then you are up shit creek
Charlie BCFC Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: I disagree. Good against Plymouth but had you put a red shirt on me I could have done that too. Mostly poor and occasional moments of full retardation. Not what is expected from a so called Champions League player Wasn’t at Plymouth but he played well v Cardiff last season, Birmingham and Stoke those are just a few
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Loco Rojo said: YES! my first 'Rubbish' emoji. Love it My first few ones too, you are very welcome
Charlie BCFC Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Loco Rojo said: YES! my first 'Rubbish' emoji. Love it There’s your second
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Flint says No said: Wasn’t at Plymouth but he played well v Cardiff last season, Birmingham and Stoke those are just a few Actually, fair enough as you have a point against Stoke. That being said, I don't think he did well at Cardiff as we bottled it so badly. What concerns me is that when he does do badly, he really ***** the bed and it negatively affects the whole team
nickolas Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 28 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: What a complete and utter embarrassment today. At least partly responsible for every goal, and did one of the most embarrassing shirt pulls I have ever seen in a game of professional football. Unforgivably slow and tormented by Leeds all day. Should never be trusted again in a City shirt. Ship him out, leave him to rot in the development squad, whatever. About as slow as continental drift, and incapable of communicating with the rest of the back 4. weirdly enough reacting 'rubbish' doesn't make him suddenly capable of performing a sliding tackle. I don't like going full Thatch but he was just so frustrating all game. A 1 is generous.
joe jordans teeth Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: Actually, fair enough as you have a point against Stoke. That being said, I don't think he did well at Cardiff as we bottled it so badly. What concerns me is that when he does do badly, he really ***** the bed and it negatively affects the whole team So it's his fault then,not the managers fault for picking the wrong side and pack being completely out of his depth without a ball winner next to him.
Greedo Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 he was a joke, as was Leko. send him back to Pulis asap.
MC RISK77 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 30 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: Hahaha quality. Not even 90 minutes and you've written him off. 1 bad game doesn't make a bad player. He was ******* dreadful against Fulham and many others last year...don’t know what you are watching
Loco Rojo Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Yeah, but then he played well in other games, e.g. Stoke at CB (or it might have been Plymouth - my memory goes with my age). Forget those though, he's shite. Oh, and i'm watching Otib implode as standard.
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, joe jordans teeth said: So it's his fault then,not the managers fault for picking the wrong side and pack being completely out of his depth without a ball winner next to him. No- how can Lee predict that Jens is going to hitch a ride off a Leeds player's shirt? Pisano (before injury) said he had issues with adapting to the pace of English football, yet there he was, getting used to it and performing strongly. Jens has baffling decision making at times and just does not seem to click with the other defenders here. If he is going to be our 'ball player', he should be prepared for having a more traditional defender like Flint next to him. Yet, despite a couple of good performances he has failed to adapt to the tempo and I would be pleasantly surprised if he ever did.
Yipikiaye Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 No can’t point your finger at individuals . We lost against a strong Leeds team today . They will probably be in the premiership next year .
BRISTOL86 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 If Hegeler gets a ‘1’ I’d love to hear your thoughts on Flint. And you do realise that shirt pull was to save a certain goal? Jesus.
MC RISK77 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: Yeah, but then he played well in other games, e.g. Stoke at CB (or it might have been Plymouth - my memory goes with my age). Forget those though, he's shite. Oh, and i'm watching Otib implode as standard. He is not a centre back and he is too slow for this league in centre mid...
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: If Hegeler gets a ‘1’ I’d love to hear your thoughts on Flint. And you do realise that shirt pull was to save a certain goal? Jesus. They all did appallingly today, and yeah that shirt pull really saved us didn't it? It would have been 3-0 otherwise, that would have been embarrassing, wouldn't it?
UREDS_91 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: If Hegeler gets a ‘1’ I’d love to hear your thoughts on Flint. And you do realise that shirt pull was to save a certain goal? Jesus. Don’t think it would have been a certain goal. They could have missed. Unlike the resulting corner.
BRISTOL86 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, streety_bcfc said: But he’s got “pedigree” don’t ya know! Yes as a centre midfielder. I wish LJ would see he’s no centre back.
BRISTOL86 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, Newquay-Red said: They all did appallingly today, and yeah that shirt pull really saved us didn't it? It would have been 3-0 otherwise, that would have been embarrassing, wouldn't it? So what’s he meant to do when his man’s past him, roll out a red carpet for him? At least he cared enough to do what he had to do to break up the attack.
Luxo Jr. Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Newquay-Red said: They all did appallingly today, and yeah that shirt pull really saved us didn't it? It would have been 3-0 otherwise, that would have been embarrassing, wouldn't it? Massive difference between 2-0 and 3-0. Obviously it ended that way anyway, but 2-0 still gives us a chance. So yes, theoretically it could have saved us.
joe jordans teeth Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: No- how can Lee predict that Jens is going to hitch a ride off a Leeds player's shirt? Pisano (before injury) said he had issues with adapting to the pace of English football, yet there he was, getting used to it and performing strongly. Jens has baffling decision making at times and just does not seem to click with the other defenders here. If he is going to be our 'ball player', he should be prepared for having a more traditional defender like Flint next to him. Yet, despite a couple of good performances he has failed to adapt to the tempo and I would be pleasantly surprised if he ever did. Lee obviously thinks he can
UREDS_91 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, BRISTOL86 said: Yes as a centre midfielder. I wish LJ would see he’s no centre back. And as a CM he wouldn’t have made any difference today.
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: So what’s he meant to do when his man’s past him, roll out a red carpet for him? At least he cared enough to do what he had to do to break up the attack. Shame he didn't care enough to stay with who he was meant to be marking for the third goal a minute later. I don't buy into tackles and shirt pulls like that as 'caring'. I consider it incompetence to try and cover up previous mistakes
Major Isewater Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, streety_bcfc said: But he’s got “pedigree” don’t ya know! Play Frankie up front and he would look shit . Play Leko at centre back ... you get the picture .
UREDS_91 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, Major Isewater said: Play Frankie up front and he would look shit . Play Leko at centre back ... you get the picture . Next one, play Hegelar at CM. Yep get the picture. All of the above would be rubbish. Inc. Hegelar.
Major Isewater Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, streety_bcfc said: And as a CM he wouldn’t have made any difference today. How can you say that ? Complete fantasy Streety .
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Luxo Jr. said: Massive difference between 2-0 and 3-0. Obviously it ended that way anyway, but 2-0 still gives us a chance. So yes, theoretically it could have saved us. I have to admit I think it endeared him to the Leeds players as even more of a make shift centre back than he is. They're probably making masks of his face on the team bus home!
winsaw Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 He was just so off the pace, been a long time since I have seen someone so out of place at centre half, it's just not his position, would have had him in the middle instead of Pack
MC RISK77 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: How can you say that ? Complete fantasy Streety . He played centre mid last season and was equally bad their..his performance against Fulham was one of the worst I saw...he wants and needs too much time and today he would have been destroyed in midfield...as Leeds were up our arse on every first touch
UREDS_91 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: How can you say that ? Complete fantasy Streety . So’s your fantasy that Hegelar is going to become this miraculous midfield sentinel. He’s not good enough.
UREDS_91 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, MC RISK77 said: He played centre mid last season and was equally bad their..his performance against Fulham was one of the worst I saw...he wants and needs too much time and today he would have been destroyed in midfield...as Leeds were up our arse on every first touch This. Finally someone who sees it too.
MC RISK77 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, streety_bcfc said: This. Finally someone who sees it too. It’s not rocket science is it mate
UREDS_91 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, MC RISK77 said: It’s not rocket science is it mate Apparently to some it is...
coxyboy Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 51 minutes ago, Newquay-Red said: What a complete and utter embarrassment today. At least partly responsible for every goal, and did one of the most embarrassing shirt pulls I have ever seen in a game of professional football. Unforgivably slow and tormented by Leeds all day. Should never be trusted again in a City shirt. Ship him out, leave him to rot in the development squad, whatever. About as slow as continental drift, and incapable of communicating with the rest of the back 4. weirdly enough reacting 'rubbish' doesn't make him suddenly capable of performing a sliding tackle. I don't like going full Thatch but he was just so frustrating all game. cock...got away
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 He was crap to be fair, doesn't mean he's going to be consistently crap. Dropped in to a defence next to Flint will never suit either of them. Had to be Magnússon. But by god if there's one stand out crap performance that was Pack. I think that was probably in the top 5 worst individual midfield performances I've ever seen. The way he was left out there was reminiscent of Liam Fontaine.
BITW Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Leko was worse.. As was Flint IMO.
Lew-T Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, BITW said: As was Flint IMO. You can add Pack to the list.. It goes on!
Lack of Action Man Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 All four or our defenders were absolute garbage. They cannot work together as a unit. It stank of square pegs in round holes today.
REDOXO Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Cardy said: To be fair him & Flint together is a disaster. Yep. You and I can see that!
JasonM88 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Let’s forget his impressive performance against Stoke and Barnsley then.
old_eastender Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, OddBallJim said: All four or our defenders were absolute garbage. They cannot work together as a unit. It stank of square pegs in round holes today. Really they have done well enough up to now, only real problem was Hegelar - so off the pace. He does look a decent player and passer when given time & space, but closed down quickly and/or run at and he is a total liability. This is not new and really hacks me off that LJ put him into that position instead of starting Mags.
GoodridgeandGoater Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I was looking forward to seeing Hegeler today but he was very poor. Flint also had an off day. Could've driven a coach and horses between them in that first 20 minutes. Leeds did. Don't think we'll see Hegeler playing CB in a big game again any time soon.
Laner Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, OddBallJim said: All four or our defenders were absolute garbage. They cannot work together as a unit. It stank of square pegs in round holes today. And not helped by a GK who very rarely comes out to collect a ball or command his 6 yard box.
Londoner Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Never had been and never will be a centre back. Sorry but he for me is our most underused midfielder. Defender he aint.
Major Isewater Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 17 minutes ago, streety_bcfc said: So’s your fantasy that Hegelar is going to become this miraculous midfield sentinel. He’s not good enough. I don't write players off after five minutes. You may be right but I would think that after having signed him with all due diligence there is a player in there somewhere .
redfieldred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 losses this season. Common factor hegeler at centre back! Defensive mid maybe. Centre back no. Wright should have been moved to CB
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Major Isewater said: I don't write players off after five minutes. You may be right but I would think that after having signed him with all due diligence there is a player in there somewhere . I think there definitely is, but just not in this league. You can do all the due diligence you want, but you still can't tell if someone is going to hack the pace and intensity of the Championship. I think he was worth a punt but not persevering with any more. I imagine if he went to the right league he would look excellent.
WesM Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 38 minutes ago, Yipikiaye said: No can’t point your finger at individuals . We lost against a strong Leeds team today . They will probably be in the premiership next year . I thought they were bang average to be fair. We made them look like world beaters with our ineptitude.
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, WesM said: I thought they were bang average to be fair. We made them look like world beaters with our ineptitude. You're far too generous. Port Vale would have beat us today, but I thought they were better than average. I
David Brent Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Newquay-Red said: What a complete and utter embarrassment today. At least partly responsible for every goal, and did one of the most embarrassing shirt pulls I have ever seen in a game of professional football. Unforgivably slow and tormented by Leeds all day. Should never be trusted again in a City shirt. Ship him out, leave him to rot in the development squad, whatever. About as slow as continental drift, and incapable of communicating with the rest of the back 4. weirdly enough reacting 'rubbish' doesn't make him suddenly capable of performing a sliding tackle. I don't like going full Thatch but he was just so frustrating all game. I’ve reacted with a ‘thanks’ because it means nothing apparently.. Actually, I’m thankful that enough people can see you’re talking out your arse.
Jacki Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 57 minutes ago, Greedo said: he was a joke, as was Leko. send him back to Pulis asap. Is that the same Leko who everyone was absolutely raving about after he tore Derby apart a few weeks ago? Admittedly he was terrible today but let’s have a bit of perspective.
Charlie BCFC Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Newquay-Red said: Actually, fair enough as you have a point against Stoke. That being said, I don't think he did well at Cardiff as we bottled it so badly. What concerns me is that when he does do badly, he really ***** the bed and it negatively affects the whole team He was very good against Cardiff playing at three at the back though-seems to be his strongest position
Dullmoan Tone Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, Jacki said: Is that the same Leko who everyone was absolutely raving about after he tore Derby apart a few weeks ago? Admittedly he was terrible today but let’s have a bit of perspective. I know this thread isn't about him but what's with all the jibes at Leko - he was direct and actually created some of the few chances we had today. Don't forget what he did against Derby. For me he made a significantly bigger impact than O'Dowda.
Garland's Perm Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I'm not sure how the comment 'cock got away' enhances this thread in any way whatsoever. I really do not understand why certain posters have to produce such offensive, ill considered and illiterate posts. If, as is clearly the case, the poster has a different point of view than Newquay Read, I believe he should at least try to explain his viewpoint rather than resorting to obscenities. It would appear this person has a rather different perspective on life than most of us given his derogatory comments about Mark Little prior to the Bolton game.
redfieldred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dullmoan Tone said: I know this thread isn't about him but what's with all the jibes at Leko - he was direct and actually created some of the few chances we had today. Don't forget what he did against Derby. For me he made a significantly bigger impact than O'Dowda. Odowda didn't beat his man once today. So dissapointed by his performance today. At least leko had a go.
Greedo Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, redfieldred said: Odowda didn't beat his man once today. So dissapointed by his performance today. At least leko had a go. had a go at making himself stand out with pointless stopovers and chops. fine for youth and reserve football when you're trying to make a name for yourself, but when you're in with the big boys you have to play like a big boy and play for the team, not yourself. but I get that he's young, so hopefully he'll learn that for his own sake.
Johnr1986 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Hegeler is clearly not suitable for the English game regardless of which position he plays, he is just not mobile or physical enough and that will simply never change, I just fail to see what some fans and LJ see in him, a left footed CB (Baker) should of been replaced in the team today with another left footed CB (mags) and Hegeler should be no where near the 11 or 18, we had to many passengers out there today Leko, and Woodrow as well as Hegeler which exposed pack who seems to blow hot and cold ( was frozen today) just a strange team selection fami workrate would of certainly been better Than Woodrow .
Offside Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Hegeler was poor, but Flint and Pack (and usually I'm a fan of his) had terrible games as well. I'm not sure what I think about Hegeler. At times he has looked classy but in other games he has been a liability. When we signed him I thought he'd be much more dependable.
GrahamC Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, OddBallJim said: All four or our defenders were absolute garbage. They cannot work together as a unit. It stank of square pegs in round holes today. Nonsense. Wright was one of our best today, he won more 50/50s than anyone else on the pitch and for a centre back being asked to play right back, his distribution was sound. He also had absolutely no cover from Leko, yet none of the 3 goals were down to him. Clearly LJ is trying to avoid picking Hörður, so he could move Wright into his best position and pick Vyner, if Pisano is still injured.
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