Langford Red Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 We started off like this, last season last season Is it going to happen again Plummeting down the league?
The Nest Egg Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I wouldn't start thinking that yet, and this is coming from someone who is currently competing with you for 'most reactionary thread of the day'
daored Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bicester Red said: We started off like this, last season last season Is it going to happen again Plummeting down the league? He has prioritised Tuesday night
ChippenhamRed Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 It's one defeat. If we keep talking up this "history repeating itself" theory, it's more likely to happen. Let's keep some perspective.
DaveF Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Didn’t take long for the embarrassing threads to start popping up...
joe jordans teeth Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, daored said: He has prioritised Tuesday night Has he hell,he just got it completely wrong today
Northern Red Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bicester Red said: We started off like this, last season last season Is it going to happen again Plummeting down the league? Why were you nowhere to be seen until after last week's game?
Langford Red Posted October 21, 2017 Author Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Why were you nowhere to be seen until after last week's game? ?
Wanderingred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, Bicester Red said: ? You have posted twice since August, once to slag off Taylor and now this.
Northern Red Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wanderingred said: You have posted twice since August, once to slag off Taylor and now this. Yep. I predict he won't be the last to reappear tonight either.
bs22 red Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Here we go,can't wait to start being negative
BRISTOL86 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Wanderingred said: You have posted twice since August, once to slag off Taylor and now this. Theres a handful that’s come out only after a bad result. There will be a few more before the evening is out
Yipikiaye Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 The way we play is getting too predictable we have played 4 4 2 in every game so far need to switch it up . People need to remember tho where we are in the league
Alex_BCFC Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Hopefully it at least puts an end to the silly we can finish top 2 stuff. Yes we had a good run and I'm hopeful this won't be another last season episode. But we also had a fair bit of luck on the run we did - it wasn't as though we were controlling every game etc. I still think top 10 would be a decent season.
RedBrizzleRobin Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Awful 20 minutes not helped by several changes. Changed it after but the damage was already done. Pretty average there after. Every team has days like today, most important is that we bounce back from this. Let's hope we can find our feet again and kick on.
Gert Mare Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 We are a different proposition to what we were last season. In my opinion I don't think it will happen. I do think that we will slip down into mid table between now and Christmas. 2 home games and only 1 point to show from it. Regardless of the opposition our best chance of picking up points is at home and we are now 8 points off top spot with teams below us with games in hand. We are a mid table side and that's an improvement from last season.
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 35 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: It's one defeat. If we keep talking up this "history repeating itself" theory, it's more likely to happen. Let's keep some perspective. Um...... no its not, many on here "talked up" LJ out last season.......made no difference...he`s still here. This is a forum and a small portion of todays crowd, post on here; with their individual views. Seems to be a close re-run of last season as far as I can gather.......so far.
cityexile Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Nothing like last season at all. We lost by more than one.
ThreeWordCityNerd Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 50 minutes ago, Bicester Red said: We started off like this, last season last season Is it going to happen again Plummeting down the league?
Jackson Lamb Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I haven’t given Johnson any credit yet, nor am I starting to give him abuse. The next 10 games or so will be interesting. January will show us where we belong.
slartibartfast Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 57 minutes ago, Bicester Red said: We started off like this, last season last season Is it going to happen again Plummeting down the league? FOUR key players out !
old_eastender Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 55 minutes ago, Bicester Red said: We started off like this, last season last season Is it going to happen again Plummeting down the league? It really should not happen again. We do have more strength in depth, Smith & Baker in particular were massive misses today. LJ got it wrong picking Hegelar at CB in preference to Mags and starting Woodrow. As long as LJ does not panic and start chopping and changing all over the place, we can get back on track. As others have said, treat this as a reality check for those fans getting ahead of themselves and talking about top two challenge, solid mid-table should be attainable.
Robbored Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: FOUR key players out ! Don't let that get in the way of the usual over reaction............ Only the second defeat of the season a well.
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Robbored said: Don't let get in the way of the usual over reaction............ Only the second defeat of the season a well. It comes to something when I agree with RR
Phileas Fogg Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 There are so many variables in football that it’s hugely naive to think ‘history could repeat itself’ because we had a similar good run at the beginning of last season.
BigAl&Toby Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Bicester Red said: We started off like this, last season last season Is it going to happen again Plummeting down the league? Not a ducking chance. Nothing like last season in so many respects. I’d have an early night if I were you
Wanderingred Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I really really don't get the logic here. It's like seing a bit of smoke in a bakery and predicting a second great fire of London just because that's how the first one started. So far, the only bit of history that has repeated itself is our great start to the season and good cup run. We currently sit smugly in a playoff spot.
Ska Junkie Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 It's an understandable concern which todays performance wouldn't have helped. We need to get this monkey off our backs pretty quickly although I'm confident it won't happen anyway.
Nibor Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Last season we were very unconvincing in our good run, it always had the feel of mostly luck. Not so this time round, we've earned the points. We're higher now than we'll finish I expect, but I don't think we'll trouble the bottom half provided we can get the high pressing and quick movement back.
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I don't see a rerun of last season happening. We have better depth, have generally been more convincing and LJ and the players will have learnt a lot. I'm not saying we will finish top 6 but nor do I think we will plummet again... Midtable sounds viable.
OldlandReddies Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, daored said: He has prioritised Tuesday night I very much doubt it.
steveybadger Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Wanderingred said: I really really don't get the logic here. It's like seing a bit of smoke in a bakery and predicting a second great fire of London just because that's how the first one started. So far, the only bit of history that has repeated itself is our great start to the season and good cup run. We currently sit smugly in a playoff spot. I like the metaphor providing the fire wasn't started by a gas leak.
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 hours ago, slartibartfast said: FOUR key players out ! but we have more strength in depth...so we had them covered ?? yeah?
Phileas Fogg Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, glos old boy said: but we have more strength in depth...so we had them covered ?? yeah? That’s fine if you have one or two injuries but 4 - all to key players - is a tough ask.
Red white and red Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Bicester Red said: We started off like this, last season last season Is it going to happen again Plummeting down the league? ******* grow up!
Redland Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 The last four home matches I have attended are :- City 0 - Birmingham C 1 (final match last season) City 0 - Milwall 0 City 0 - Burton Albion 0 City 0 - Leeds 3 That's four consecutive matches I've attended where we have played poorly and have failed to score a single goal. Based on what I have seen I would be happy to avoid relegation this year and I really don't understand where the optimism on this forum comes from. As the OP says we were in a similar league position this time last season before reality caught up with us.
ThreeWordCityNerd Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Redland said: The last four home matches I have attended are :- City 0 - Birmingham C 1 (final match last season) City 0 - Milwall 0 City 0 - Burton Albion 0 City 0 - Leeds 3 That's four consecutive matches I've attended where we have played poorly and have failed to score a single goal. Based on what I have seen I would be happy to avoid relegation this year and I really don't understand where the optimism on this forum comes from. As the OP says we were in a similar league position this time last season before reality caught up with us. https://tenor.com/view/stayaway-stay-away-demon-gif-8086034
Guest Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: That’s fine if you have one or two injuries but 4 - all to key players - is a tough ask. LJ on our squad; They have been good this week, Good few days training, Off on Thursday, to be sharp for Saturday I think we have better players who could have played but didn`t, for the first hour anyway; Who were the 4 key players ? I know about Smith, Pisi, the later has been out for a while. Anyway onto Palace and more changes, no doubt, and again likely on Sat; we need to settle things down a bit and soon before..........
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, glos old boy said: LJ on our squad; They have been good this week, Good few days training, Off on Thursday, to be sharp for Saturday I think we have better players who could have played but didn`t, for the first hour anyway; Who were the 4 key players ? I know about Smith, Pisi, the later has been out for a while. Smith, Pisano, Baker, Paterson - our only experienced specialist right back, our leading assist maker and 2 of the team’s spine. 2 minutes ago, glos old boy said: Anyway onto Palace and more changes, no doubt, and again likely on Sat; we need to settle things down a bit and soon before.......... Obviously there’ll be changes on Tuesday - it’s a cup game, two players from today can’t play anyway and we have a big squad of players who need games.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, Redland said: The last four home matches I have attended are :- City 0 - Birmingham C 1 (final match last season) City 0 - Milwall 0 City 0 - Burton Albion 0 City 0 - Leeds 3 That's four consecutive matches I've attended where we have played poorly and have failed to score a single goal. Based on what I have seen I would be happy to avoid relegation this year and I really don't understand where the optimism on this forum comes from. As the OP says we were in a similar league position this time last season before reality caught up with us. Well, what you’ve seen is an incredibly unfortunate sample size of games. Obviously the optimism comes from the games you haven’t attended. Seems you’ve only attended the games we’ve been crap in over a period of 5 months.
Vincent Vega Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, Redland said: The last four home matches I have attended are :- City 0 - Birmingham C 1 (final match last season) City 0 - Milwall 0 City 0 - Burton Albion 0 City 0 - Leeds 3 That's four consecutive matches I've attended where we have played poorly and have failed to score a single goal. Based on what I have seen I would be happy to avoid relegation this year and I really don't understand where the optimism on this forum comes from. As the OP says we were in a similar league position this time last season before reality caught up with us. You need to attend more games mate.
Wanderingred Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: You need to attend more games mate. I'd say he needs to go to less! Seems like a bit of a jynx!
Guest Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, Redland said: The last four home matches I have attended are :- City 0 - Birmingham C 1 (final match last season) City 0 - Milwall 0 City 0 - Burton Albion 0 City 0 - Leeds 3 That's four consecutive matches I've attended where we have played poorly and have failed to score a single goal. Based on what I have seen I would be happy to avoid relegation this year and I really don't understand where the optimism on this forum comes from. As the OP says we were in a similar league position this time last season before reality caught up with us. Baffling aint it; we are apparently playing better and have better quality in depth; although injuries to first teamers are cited for our defeat yesterday? Anyway the coming months will tell if a few fans worries are going to prove them right to be so, or not. We missed a chance to make further strides forward yesterday in front of a big home crowd...... the future, who knows.....we will see.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, glos old boy said: Baffling aint it; we are apparently playing better and have better quality in depth; although injuries to first teamers are cited for our defeat yesterday? Anyway the coming months will tell if a few fans worries are going to prove them right to be so, or not. We missed a chance to make further strides forward yesterday in front of a big home crowd...... the future, who knows.....we will see. Did you even go?
Robbored Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, Redland said: The last four home matches I have attended are :- City 0 - Birmingham C 1 (final match last season) City 0 - Milwall 0 City 0 - Burton Albion 0 City 0 - Leeds 3 That's four consecutive matches I've attended where we have played poorly and have failed to score a single goal. Based on what I have seen I would be happy to avoid relegation this year and I really don't understand where the optimism on this forum comes from. As the OP says we were in a similar league position this time last season before reality caught up with us. Perhaps you should avoid AG. It seems you're a bit of a Jonah....... Where the optimism comes from is pretty obvious - results and some pretty good results as well. Derby at AG, Ipswich away to name just two. Add to that wins over two PL clubs one away in the cup and we have a the feel good factor back. Yesterday was disappointing for sure but as already stated on here several regular first teasers were out injured. Baker and Paterson in particular were sorely missed. Unfortunately Hegelar was a poor replacement for Baker. Good news is City are back in action on Tuesday against another PL outfit.
Guest Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Smith, Pisano, Baker, Paterson - our only experienced specialist right back, our leading assist maker and 2 of the team’s spine. Obviously there’ll be changes on Tuesday - it’s a cup game, two players from today can’t play anyway and we have a big squad of players who need games. That's all fair enough, the fact remains we should have adequate replacements for injuries; I also seem to remember seeing posts slaughtering Smith and Pato. I don't know why but I don't like LJ, but I do love my club and really do want it to step up and be noticed. Missed a chance yesterday hope there are more to come and we take them.
Redland Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Robbored said: Perhaps you should avoid AG. It seems you're a bit of a Jonah....... Well I've supported City for over 50 years so perhaps our lack of success over that time is all down to me!
Robbored Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Redland said: Well I've supported City for over 50 years so perhaps our lack of success over that time is all down to me! And me..................
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, glos old boy said: That's all fair enough, the fact remains we should have adequate replacements for injuries; I also seem to remember seeing posts slaughtering Smith and Pato. Well, of course you want a squad with strength in depth - and we do. Having four first team players out though is a tall order even for the strongest squad. Any teams would struggle if their regular team was disrupted so much, regardless which replacements they have. 8 minutes ago, glos old boy said: I don't know why but I don't like LJ, but I do love my club and really do want it to step up and be noticed. I worked that out! You should try to like him, he's trying his best for the club and has improved. There's no reason to dislike him.
Dr Balls Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 The similarities between this season and last in terms of games up to the October international break are that the team was relatively settled and playing with a confidence that spilled over from the end of the previous season. LJ mentioned the international break not being good for him and the players, while the changes yesterday definitely highlighted some of our limitations. And not surprisingly one or 2 players have had a bit of a dip in form, which will happen over a season. The question is are we more resilient than last season, and can we get back to something close to our form in September? Has LJ learnt from last season's experience? We need a decent performance against Woy and Palarse, before the more important away games against Sunderland & Fulham. We certainly have to start scoring goals again before Colin arrives with Crapdiff for the Saturday lunchtime fixture.
MelksRed Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Definitely not a rerun of last season, stronger team, better footy, better results....just a bad day.... None of the 50/50 balls went out way yesterday.. We will recover.....let's get to 50 points as fast as possible... No relegation battle and a mid table finish would be progress in my opinion...
Guest redandy1 Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 16 hours ago, DaveF said: Didn’t take long for the embarrassing threads to start popping up... Yes straight after an embarrassing and clueless performance from the manager and team. Strange one that.
TinMan's left peg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Redland said: The last four home matches I have attended are :- City 0 - Birmingham C 1 (final match last season) City 0 - Milwall 0 City 0 - Burton Albion 0 City 0 - Leeds 3 That's four consecutive matches I've attended where we have played poorly and have failed to score a single goal. Based on what I have seen I would be happy to avoid relegation this year and I really don't understand where the optimism on this forum comes from. As the OP says we were in a similar league position this time last season before reality caught up with us. This is what is known as 'selection bias'
Redland Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, TinMan's left peg said: This is what is known as 'selection bias' 'Selection bias' or not it is the truth and I am only commenting on what I have personally seen in my last four home matches.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Redland said: 'Selection bias' or not it is the truth and I am only commenting on what I have personally seen in my last four home matches. Which is a very unfortunate sample size. Surely you can see those four games aren’t representative of the bigger picture.
Robbored Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, redandy1 said: Yes straight after an embarrassing and clueless performance from the manager and team. Strange one that. So what was "embarrassing and clueless then?" City lost the game after losing four regular starters to injury. The replacements, Hegelar in particular didn't perform well. There's nothing LJ can do when that happens. The third goal highlighted just what a miss Baker was. I doubt Leeds would have scored direct from a corner had Baker been there. Of course LJ had other options with selection. Hodur could have started instead Hegelar but he started Jens probably based on his performance against Stoke. I got no problem with that. LJ could have started with Diedhiou and Taylor but opted for Woodrow and Leko but neither of them performed well either - it happens. It was a very disappointing performance and result but not embarrassing or "clueless" as you claim.
Redland Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Which is a very unfortunate sample size. Surely you can see those four games aren’t representative of the bigger picture. Yes I accept that but I personally have seen nothing to convince me that we are not in a false position.
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Just now, Redland said: Yes I accept that but I personally have seen nothing to convince me that we are not in a false position. But it’s a fundamentally flawed point because you’ve unfortunately seen our worst games in 5 months. It doesn’t really matter what you’ve seen, because what you’ve seen isn’t representative of the real form trends.
downendcity Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Redland said: The last four home matches I have attended are :- City 0 - Birmingham C 1 (final match last season) City 0 - Milwall 0 City 0 - Burton Albion 0 City 0 - Leeds 3 That's four consecutive matches I've attended where we have played poorly and have failed to score a single goal. Based on what I have seen I would be happy to avoid relegation this year and I really don't understand where the optimism on this forum comes from. As the OP says we were in a similar league position this time last season before reality caught up with us. Is your first name Jonah?
Northern Red Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 55 minutes ago, redandy1 said: Yes straight after an embarrassing and clueless performance from the manager and team. Strange one that. And another one who's been missing for weeks reappears. Pure coincidence, obviously.
Redland Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: But it’s a fundamentally flawed point because you’ve unfortunately seen our worst games in 5 months. It doesn’t really matter what you’ve seen, because what you’ve seen isn’t representative of the real form trends. Perhaps I have been unfortunate in the matches I have attended but you cannot pretend those matches didn't happen. The only positive I have taken from the matches I have seen at AG this season is that against Burton I thought our defence looked strong and better organised than last season. However that illusion was swiftly dashed yesterday.
megansdad Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 Think if Woodrow was eligible for Tuesday Famara would have started yesterday. Seems this was a case of two sides being selected for these two games with Fam rested rather than dropped. This time it did not go to plan. Hopefully Tuesday will be a different story.
Taz Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 To be fair Man Utd lost to Huddersfield yesterday. I highly doubt they think they're going to get relegated this morning... How we respond to this loss is how we will be measured now (especially in the press after all the positive stuff recently). Win on Tuesday, Leeds was a blip. Lose on Tuesday, it's expected as it's a Premiership team, but also 2 on the bounce. Fully expect a very strong side to take to the field against Palace on Tuesday.
Redtucks Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 16 hours ago, glos old boy said: Um...... no its not, many on here "talked up" LJ out last season.......made no difference...he`s still here. This is a forum and a small portion of todays crowd, post on here; with their individual views. Seems to be a close re-run of last season as far as I can gather.......so far. Yes, but why do they only post when we lose and stay silent when we win?
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, Redland said: Perhaps I have been unfortunate in the matches I have attended but you cannot pretend those matches didn't happen. The only positive I have taken from the matches I have seen at AG this season is that against Burton I thought our defence looked strong and better organised than last season. However that illusion was swiftly dashed yesterday. I hope this doesn't come across as rude Redland but we've had 13 matches you haven't attended where - with the exception of Birmingham away - we've had largely good results. The bigger picture is far more positive so I can't really take your opinion very seriously as I always try to look at trends over a larger sample rather than isolated results. Of course those matches you attended are significant, but the bigger picture is that things are largely pretty good. I find your opinion a bit selective and short termist. It's very unfortunate those are the matches you've seen because since April 8th, we've lost 3 matches in 22.
ChippenhamRed Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 2 hours ago, glos old boy said: Baffling aint it; we are apparently playing better and have better quality in depth; although injuries to first teamers are cited for our defeat yesterday? Anyway the coming months will tell if a few fans worries are going to prove them right to be so, or not. We missed a chance to make further strides forward yesterday in front of a big home crowd...... the future, who knows.....we will see. Why is it you revel in defeat so much more than you delight in victory?
pillred Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 16 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: There are so many variables in football that it’s hugely naive to think ‘history could repeat itself’ because we had a similar good run at the beginning of last season. but the parallels with last season are hard to ignore, top six till international break then loss of form, and nobody can deny due to whatever reason we have lost form last two games, no reason why last season should repeat itself but at he moment you could forgive people for thinking it.
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