whale Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 So.... The red card! First thought was that Taylor was headbutted and for some reason got sent off for it. After talking it over with others, we thought maybe it was because Taylor was the aggressor (although in itself I don't think that's a red card offence). Having watched the replay. (2m57), http://www.skysports.com/football/bristol-c-vs-leeds/374767, I can't see where Taylor's red has come from. Any thoughts? Any chance of it being rescinded? Yes, I know it wasn't a factor in our defeat.
Dredd Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Got to appeal it. Not sure it can be violent conduct if he’s not done anything to the player?
Guest Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I’m convinced he slipped as he ran towards him and bounced off the Leeds player. Don’t actually think either deserved a red
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 LJ says they will appeal, the video shows he did nothing.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Tomarse said: I’m convinced he slipped as he ran towards him and bounced off the Leeds player. Don’t actually think either deserved a red The Leeds player definitely ducked his head in a downward movement, it looked like a clear butt to me, should have been a red and a yellow IMO.
old_eastender Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said: LJ says they will appeal, the video shows he did nothing. Good
Wilksi Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 LJ confirmed Taylors nose is broken. He moved towards the player, but from my seat right in front of it,the Leeds players definetly nutted him. Taylors should be overturned.
cityexile Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 He has squared off, but that it not in itself a red card offense.
hinsleburg Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Was right in front of me, Taylor reacted badly to the tackle (not sure why as it was cynical but not dangerous...?) but only went to square up to him and didn’t put his head in. Berardi leant in and caught him clean, whilst not a massive movement any intent with the head can do damage and Taylor’s injury proves that, Berardi deserves longer than 3 games! Taylor, whilst stupid, didn’t deserve a red and needs to be appealed
Lrrr Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 As others have said looking at the replay looked like Taylor was definitely up for an agro head to head but the Leeds player nutted him.
Slack Bladder Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, cityexile said: He has squared off, but that it not in itself a red card offense. My thoughts exactly
otib118 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Taylor should have been booked for squaring up but there bloke 100% deserved his red for butting him
Nibor Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Pretty sure the only offence for which he could have been sent off in that situation is violent conduct. Looking at the incident, unless there was something we couldn't see in the handbags afterwards, all that has happened is the ref bottled it under pressure from Leeds. It ought to be easy to get in rescinded. I expect the Leeds player will get an extra couple of games too.
RumRed Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Glad he got sent off, I’d have been calling for an opposition player to have been in the same situation. Only seems fair to apply my reasoning to our player too.
slartibartfast Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, RumRed said: Glad he got sent off, I’d have been calling for an opposition player to have been in the same situation. Only seems fair to apply my reasoning to our player too. You'd have been wrong, then !
AppyDAZE Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, RumRed said: Glad he got sent off, I’d have been calling for an opposition player to have been in the same situation. Only seems fair to apply my reasoning to our player too. Good idea. Let's bring in a new rule... it is a red card offence to be assalted on the field of play. No, seriousy. I agree with Johnson, looks like a borderline football / assault thing. Absolute shocker and from a bloke with a track record apparently. Needs stamping out before the guy turns into Ben Thatcher.
BCFC11 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Thing that gets me every time I see a headbutt on a football pitch is, if any of us nutted someone on the street or wherever, guarantee we’d be charged with ABH at the very least, whilst footballers get a 3 match ban.....
Guest evander Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 i know we want to stick up for matty but it was a dive
Nibor Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 1 minute ago, evander said: i know we want to stick up for matty but it was a dive The bit where the Leeds player went through the back of him or the bit where he got headbutted and had his nose broken? Perhaps he went to ground quickly after the headbutt but I'm fairly sure (not least from the photo above) he was entitled to.
Nibor Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, evander said: it was a foul but headbutt really? When you put your forehead into someone else's face hard enough to break their nose I don't think there's any other word for it?
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, evander said: i know we want to stick up for matty but it was a dive So what did he do, smack himself in the nose after he went down? Give your head a wobble mate - I expect you`d hit the deck if someone in the pub nutted you so hard it broke your nose.
Nibor Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, evander said: why was mattys face there be honest I imagine because he was pissed off about being scythed down from behind. Not the right thing to do but it's not really relevant to whether or not what the Leeds player did was a headbutt is it? Being provoked (and I disagree that was what happened) has never been an excuse that gets you out of a sending off for violent conduct.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Just now, Nibor said: I imagine because he was pissed off about being scythed down from behind. Not the right thing to do but it's not really relevant to whether or not what the Leeds player did was a headbutt is it? Being provoked (and I disagree that was what happened) has never been an excuse that gets you out of a sending off for violent conduct. I think you might find you are arguing with a .
Fordy62 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, evander said: why was mattys face there be honest Is a valid point. He didn’t run up to him to make friends and he got close enough to get butted. Inciting the issue is the only reason I can think of that we might fail in an appeal.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Is a valid point. He didn’t run up to him to make friends and he got close enough to get butted. Inciting the issue is the only reason I can think of that we might fail in an appeal. A very strange statement indeed, would you say the same to a victim who confronts somebody only to get stabbed for instance?.
SedRA Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, evander said: why was mattys face there be honest Most people's faces are on the front of their head, to be fair.
Davefevs Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Taylor has forward momentum with his whole body including head (head doesn’t move separately forward), Berhardi looks like he was stood still, but may have dipped his head. Both to blame. Both red. Fair enough imho. Stupid moment, broken nose, ouch. Three game ban, bigger ouch.
ChippenhamRed Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 38 minutes ago, Nibor said: The bit where the Leeds player went through the back of him or the bit where he got headbutted and had his nose broken? Perhaps he went to ground quickly after the headbutt but I'm fairly sure (not least from the photo above) he was entitled to. Cannot stand this notion of being "entitled to go down". Either you go down because you were knocked down and not able to stay on your feet, or you stay on your feet. Anything else is an embarassment to both the player and the game.
Fordy62 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: A very strange statement indeed, would you say the same to a victim who confronts somebody only to get stabbed for instance?. You’ve gotta get right in someone’s face to get butted. If it were not on a football field, could the offender successfully argue a self defensive pre emotive strike? I think they probably could. However, it’s on a football field so he deserves the red unquestionably.
BCFC11 Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 45 minutes ago, evander said: i know we want to stick up for matty but it was a dive What part of he’s broke his nose don’t you understand?
Nibor Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Cannot stand this notion of being "entitled to go down". Either you go down because you were knocked down and not able to stay on your feet, or you stay on your feet. Anything else is an embarassment to both the player and the game. I agree with you and probably a poor choice of words. He did throw himself down. Doesn't change the fact he was headbutted though, as definite a red as you will see and I still am at a loss as to why Taylor got sent off.
Spike Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 40 minutes ago, evander said: it was a foul but headbutt really? I take it you've never been in a fight and butted someone? I've glanced someone with my forehead in the past and left them with a blacked eye, it's not nice to be on the receiving end either, I've been there too.
Lord Northski Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 I've always liked the way that Taylor gets in the faces of the opposition and winds them up. But on this occasion I thought the ref got it right. Both deserved to get sent off. Really didn't help what was turning out to be a really crap afternoon.
formerly known as ivan Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Taylor definitely swings out after the initial challenge and the ref is already running over before they confront each other. So my guess is the red was for swinging out.
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Taylor definitely swings out after the initial challenge and the ref is already running over before they confront each other. So my guess is the red was for swinging out. Really?, he swings out his right arm in frustration but it would need to grow by about 2 foot to get anywhere near the player.
formerly known as ivan Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Really?, he swings out his right arm in frustration but it would need to grow by about 2 foot to get anywhere near the player. As I said, he swings his arm out and the ref is already on his way over before the players confront each other. Not saying it wasn’t frustration but it’s what the ref sees and how he interprets it
Wrongagain Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 From 20 feet away, what I saw wasTaylor caught from behind, he got straight up and stood in front of his attacker, just that, slightly threatening perhaps - the ONLY movement was was head butt, another poster quite rightly said if the police dealt with it he.would be charged with assault, just another crap decision from another crap referee!
formerly known as ivan Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: As I said, he swings his arm out and the ref is already on his way over before the players confront each other. Not saying it wasn’t frustration but it’s what the ref sees and how he interprets it In fact just looking at it again and Taylor definitely turns to face the player before throwing his arm out...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 From this thread I have only established the majority of our forum sit very close to where the incident happened. Do you all know each other or is it coincidence?
Nibor Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 38 minutes ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said: From this thread I have only established the majority of our forum sit very close to where the incident happened. Do you all know each other or is it coincidence? Or possibly have just looked at the highlights?
BCFCGav Posted October 21, 2017 Posted October 21, 2017 Football on 5 have just ageeed that Matty has seen red for no obvious reason. Didn’t realise being head butted was a red card but there you go. Hurry up and rescind please FA!!
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 16 hours ago, Nibor said: Or possibly have just looked at the highlights? I was referring to the posts about ‘sitting 20 yards away’ ‘it happened right in front of me’ etc. Watching the highlights I can say I seen it from about 30 cm away!
Bazooka Joe Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 DId Matty intend to nose-butt Berardi? C'mon - give the guy a break.
Drew Peacock Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: C'mon - give the guy a break. I think he has one........
cockneydave Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 23 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: The Leeds player definitely ducked his head in a downward movement, it looked like a clear butt to me, should have been a red and a yellow IMO. I was about 10 yards away and agree it should have been a red and a yellow.But Taylor was the one that squared and started it and we already had a free kick.He was fouled but should leave it to the ref in whose opinion they both deserved to be sent off and i can see why he did so.
Bazooka Joe Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Drew Peacock said: I think he has one........ That's exactly what I meant. Everyone nose that!
Esmond Million's Bung Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, cockneydave said: I was about 10 yards away and agree it should have been a red and a yellow.But Taylor was the one that squared and started it and we already had a free kick.He was fouled but should leave it to the ref in whose opinion they both deserved to be sent off and i can see why he did so. it will be interesting to see the outcome, LJ was clearly unhappy with the referees explanation after the match, I can only assume that he saw something that is not visible from the video or perhaps heard something inappropriate because I am not aware of a sending off offence of 'squaring up'.
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 22, 2017 Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: it will be interesting to see the outcome, LJ was clearly unhappy with the referees explanation after the match, I can only assume that he saw something that is not visible from the video or perhaps heard something inappropriate because I am not aware of a sending off offence of 'squaring up'. Presumably the referee`s report will clarify things. How soon after the game do we get that does anyone know?
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