spudski Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 ...a fiend of mine pointed this out to me today. LJ mentioned what to expect from Cardiff, who have one of the lowest 'ball in play' stats. They have the worst passing accuracy in the Championship....yet the best expected goals ratio. We are the second best in the league. All explained in these two articles...worth a read. Seems direct football is still going strong, in the form of the dinosaur Warnock. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-match-days-new-favourite-13694086 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/cardiff-city-worst-championship-surprising-13646576 It'll be interesting to see two teams pitting their wits against one another, in very different styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, spudski said: ...a fiend of mine pointed this out to me today. LJ mentioned what to expect from Cardiff, who have one of the lowest 'ball in play' stats. They have the worst passing accuracy in the Championship....yet the best expected goals ratio. We are the second best in the league. All explained in these two articles...worth a read. Seems direct football is still going strong, in the form of the dinosaur Warnock. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-match-days-new-favourite-13694086 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-match-days-new-favourite-13694086 It'll be interesting to see two teams pitting their wits against one another, in very different styles. That's the same article, posted twice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 14 minutes ago, spudski said: ...a fiend of mine pointed this out to me today. LJ mentioned what to expect from Cardiff, who have one of the lowest 'ball in play' stats. They have the worst passing accuracy in the Championship....yet the best expected goals ratio. We are the second best in the league. All explained in these two articles...worth a read. Seems direct football is still going strong, in the form of the dinosaur Warnock. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-match-days-new-favourite-13694086 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-match-days-new-favourite-13694086 It'll be interesting to see two teams pitting their wits against one another, in very different styles. They appear to be the same article. To be honest I fancy our back for in a physical game, I wonder how much change they will get out of us if they do play a direct game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortia Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Direct football has historically been the statistically best way to score goals. Sam Allardyce noticed this and has adopted the tactics ever since, with great success. Those who have played football in defence, will know that being battered with long balls for 90 minutes is anything but fun, and will almost certainly lead to mistakes here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 10 minutes ago, El Hombrecito said: That's the same article, posted twice... 2 minutes ago, Distortia said: Direct football has historically been the statistically best way to score goals. Sam Allardyce noticed this and has adopted the tactics ever since, with great success. Those who have played football in defence, will know that being battered with long balls for 90 minutes is anything but fun, and will almost certainly lead to mistakes here and there. My apologies....edited for you. Both articles there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Definitely one to start Djúric on Saturday. He over-powered Bamba last season. Good at defensive set pieces too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 They passed a lot of teams on their way to the top of the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWBA Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 We don't play direct football... we use the ball well when we have it and actually play some really nice stuff. good luck sat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyardiv Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 We certainly aren't a pitty-patty side. Those stats reflect that, at our best, we play fast, high-risk counter-attacking football, rather than safe, pass it endlessly back-and-forth around the half-way line stuff. It's been effective overall so far. When it's not clicking, which hasn't been often, it's not so easy on the eye. As for "can't pass, won't pass" perhaps go to 35 seconds below. Or 1:24 here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 11 minutes ago, Keyardiv said: We certainly aren't a pitty-patty side. Those stats reflect that, at our best, we play fast, high-risk counter-attacking football, rather than safe, pass it endlessly back-and-forth around the half-way line stuff. It's been effective overall so far. When it's not clicking, which hasn't been often, it's not so easy on the eye. As for "can't pass, won't pass" perhaps go to 35 seconds below. Or 1:24 here: I'll counter that with Tomlins 'pass' at 54 seconds wtf!!!! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyardiv Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, spudski said: I'll counter that with Tomlins 'pass' at 54 seconds wtf!!!! ;-) Unusual, but actually it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 I don’t really want to get into the Warnock, love him or hate him, debate but I think it’s wrong for people to keep calling him a dinosaur. There are plenty of so called modern progressive managers who talk a good game but achieve very little. At least with Warnock his teams usually achieve more than they should. Some of City’s recent “modern” managers were dire - e g McInness and SoD and, in the case of SoD, he couldn’t even talk a good game. With SoD I’m sure the pass accuracy must have been high because the plan seemed to be for the back four to continually pass the ball sideways between themselves, before kicking it long. Overall a high pass accuracy, but useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Bit like boxing styles( or tactics) make good fights... My worry is the different styles on Saturday in tactics will make for a drab hard watch. Draw.. But not a bad result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Who is this 'Warnock' that posters keep mentioning? His name is Colin, and I cannot wait for his lame excuses after suffering a heavy defeat on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 7 hours ago, Davefevs said: Definitely one to start Djúric on Saturday. He over-powered Bamba last season. Good at defensive set pieces too. Absolutely..wondering about Baker-whats the sp with him?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 People do what they are best at. Warnock wants a game that is disrupted with the ball in play as little as possible, lots of off the ball pulling, nudging and minor fouling that the officials won't see and with the home fans frustrated that the game doesn't flow due to his anti football. He will, along with his backroom staff, who like a few players follow him from club to club, chip away repeatedly before, during and after at the officials to get away with as much as possible. He is good at it, successful with it but his style makes Russell Osman's look like Pep's and he is a totally obnoxious****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 9 hours ago, pongo88 said: I don’t really want to get into the Warnock, love him or hate him, debate but I think it’s wrong for people to keep calling him a dinosaur. I completely agree- it's insulting to Dinosaurs everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 There is more than one way to play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 There's nothing wrong with direct football so long as it goes somewhere. 3 long but accurate passes to score a quick breakaway goal is better than 30 that go nowhere. The problem is when the long passes are not aimed so much as hit forward in hope. Clearly whilst Cardiff don't make many passes, the ones they do make are creating a lot of good quality chances. It's going to be a very difficult game for our back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red white and red Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 26 minutes ago, GrahamC said: People do what they are best at. Warnock wants a game that is disrupted with the ball in play as little as possible, lots of off the ball pulling, nudging and minor fouling that the officials won't see and with the home fans frustrated that the game doesn't flow due to his anti football. He will, along with his backroom staff, who like a few players follow him from club to club, chip away repeatedly before, during and after at the officials to get away with as much as possible. He is good at it, successful with it but his style makes Russell Osman's look like Pep's and he is a totally obnoxious****. This is exactly how the game will be on Saturday, very disjointed, city not able to get the ball moving due to Cardiff being in our faces etc. I expect warnock and co to bully the officials into giving lots of fouls. We will need to win ugly again on Saturday if we are to overcome Cardiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 12 hours ago, spudski said: ...a fiend of mine pointed this out to me today. LJ mentioned what to expect from Cardiff, who have one of the lowest 'ball in play' stats. They have the worst passing accuracy in the Championship....yet the best expected goals ratio. We are the second best in the league. All explained in these two articles...worth a read. Seems direct football is still going strong, in the form of the dinosaur Warnock. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-match-days-new-favourite-13694086 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/cardiff-city-worst-championship-surprising-13646576 It'll be interesting to see two teams pitting their wits against one another, in very different styles. So is it someone you don’t like who pointed it out or does he just always beat you at pool when you go out for a pint together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 There is a difference between a long pass and simply hoofing it up field. A long diagonal ball into the channels is a different art form to aiming for a target man down the middle. Colin is good at what he does but I have to admit I haven't seen anything of Cardiff other than highlights this season- From those they don't look like a hoof ball team at all, but direct and pacy. However a leopard rarely changes his spots and the amount of Colin teams I've seen playing against us using the percentage game of hoofing it up field and hoping to win a dead ball /throw in (annoyingly with a good number of successful results) I won't be surprised if this is the case tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 20 hours ago, Distortia said: Direct football has historically been the statistically best way to score goals. Sam Allardyce noticed this and has adopted the tactics ever since, with great success. Those who have played football in defence, will know that being battered with long balls for 90 minutes is anything but fun, and will almost certainly lead to mistakes here and there. Its not actually true because of the way people like football analysts Hughes and Reep who influenced English football and directed the FA compiled their data. Teams that can regularly keep possession for more than eight passes score more goals historically. English teams who followed Hughes and Reep along with the FA and its blueprint for football condemned much of English football to failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SStandUp Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 23 hours ago, spudski said: ...a fiend of mine pointed this out to me today. LJ mentioned what to expect from Cardiff, who have one of the lowest 'ball in play' stats. They have the worst passing accuracy in the Championship....yet the best expected goals ratio. We are the second best in the league. All explained in these two articles...worth a read. Seems direct football is still going strong, in the form of the dinosaur Warnock. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-match-days-new-favourite-13694086 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/cardiff-city-worst-championship-surprising-13646576 It'll be interesting to see two teams pitting their wits against one another, in very different styles. I think we have one of the best defenders in the English leagues at defending the long ball. Aden Flint. So I would welcome this long ball approach. If Mags playing, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Well we saw today what @spudski was saying the stats reveal re Cardiff’s style. Amazing how effective they are at what they do. I much prefer watching how we play, although I found it ironic that we scored our winner from a long throw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Munich are long ball team, they do alright, same with Dortmund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 But long ball and direct ball is for teams that cant play football. Man City, Barce and Bristol City all play the beautiful game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 02/11/2017 at 21:12, spudski said: ...a fiend of mine pointed this out to me today. LJ mentioned what to expect from Cardiff, who have one of the lowest 'ball in play' stats. They have the worst passing accuracy in the Championship....yet the best expected goals ratio. We are the second best in the league. All explained in these two articles...worth a read. Seems direct football is still going strong, in the form of the dinosaur Warnock. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/how-match-days-new-favourite-13694086 http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/cardiff-city-worst-championship-surprising-13646576 It'll be interesting to see two teams pitting their wits against one another, in very different styles. Halloween is over mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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