WhistleHappy Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 14 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Joe Hart, No World cup for you Wasn't he once 'Head 'n Shoulders' above the rest ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhImHSDV5qM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, Leveller said: Most of the time, Gerrard seems like a thoroughly nice bloke. What have I missed? That's the impression I get. Also a phenomenally underrated footballer and person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 14 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Joe Hart, No World cup for you Did somebody let off some fireworks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: That's the impression I get. Also a phenomenally underrated footballer and person. Underrated? Regarded as liverpools best ever player isnt he? Wonder quite how high you rate him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, RedDave said: Underrated? Regarded as liverpools best ever player isnt he? Wonder quite how high you rate him! A lot of my family are Scouse and they all rate Dalglish as better than Gerrard, but I honestly think that at his peak, he could've gone in to any team in history and been a lynchpin. I'd have him above any other English central midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, ZiderEyed said: That's the impression I get. Also a phenomenally underrated footballer and person. We can agree to disagree about him as a person. But seriously, an underrated footballer? Possibly the most overrated player of his generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, redmycolour said: Have a look at frenchred quote on previous page,"greatest player". So quote me where I said that then. History has a habit of romanticising what went on while the here and now is quite often ridiculed. As someone else said every generation had their whipping boys and you can bet that players like, Charlton and Lineker scored against them! I don't get the Rooney bashing he has always made himself available to play for England often when injured, he is our greatest goalscorer ever yet some cant see past the gutter press headlines. Fair play to him I say, if all our so called "top Players" turned up for every game as he did maybe just maybe we would have won something with him in his prime, but hey ho everyone likes a whipping boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redmycolour Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, frenchred said: So quote me where I said that then. History has a habit of romanticising what went on while the here and now is quite often ridiculed. As someone else said every generation had their whipping boys and you can bet that players like, Charlton and Lineker scored against them! I don't get the Rooney bashing he has always made himself available to play for England often when injured, he is our greatest goalscorer ever yet some cant see past the gutter press headlines. Fair play to him I say, if all our so called "top Players" turned up for every game as he did maybe just maybe we would have won something with him in his prime, but hey ho everyone likes a whipping boy! Mis-read your quote, but Rooney has and never will be England's greatest ever player,hasn't done nothing for us in last 2world cups,overrated, but that's my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 12 minutes ago, redmycolour said: Mis-read your quote, but Rooney has and never will be England's greatest ever player,hasn't done nothing for us in last 2world cups,overrated, but that's my opinion And it's an opinion you are welcome and entitled to. For the record I don't think he is England's greatest player either, although I do respect his goalscoring record and the fact he never turned his back on his country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 hours ago, BookEnd said: Says the biggest shiz stirrer on here apparently because the younger generation enjoy FIFA, you literally make comparisons as to why England are a failure. Never heard of spare time? Although you spend most of it stirring Rubbish. Plonker you are, probably like Super you cannot know talent if it bit you in the a$$. But I will pass on mostly what you attempt to put into words, doesn't make sense. Oh I get it, you are mad at me because I thought that those that play video games would be better off playing the real thing....so defensive, but leave Rooney out of it, he is still probably the best English player in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 16 hours ago, daored said: Fabulous goal tonight for Rooney. If not seen it catch it on match of the day Your thread title is already out of date. Its a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Suffering a senior moment here: who was it who scored against us at the Gate from virtually the centre spot in a similarly outrageous chip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Suffering a senior moment here: who was it who scored against us at the Gate from virtually the centre spot in a similarly outrageous chip? Steve Sidwell on bonfire night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Rooneys strike was one of the greats, but what I was watching was Harts dubious action, he had no need to take the player on and he was diving in the direction of the sideline and somehow centres the ball,?? another predictable howler for the betting syndicates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 hours ago, redmycolour said: Wow 1 goal, so that makes him the greatest ever player, Are there any stats as to how many chances he wasted! It was missed opportunities that did for us in the last Euro and World cups! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 43 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: Steve Sidwell on bonfire night? He spotted Richard O’Donnell stood outside his area with a sparkler in one hand and a toffee apple in the other, I seem to recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: He spotted Richard O’Donnell stood outside his area with a sparkler in one hand and a toffee apple in the other, I seem to recall. How could anyone forget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: How could anyone forget? I think my memory was consciously trying to blot it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 31 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I think my memory was consciously trying to blot it out A bit like O'Donnell himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 5 hours ago, frenchred said: So quote me where I said that then. History has a habit of romanticising what went on while the here and now is quite often ridiculed. As someone else said every generation had their whipping boys and you can bet that players like, Charlton and Lineker scored against them! I don't get the Rooney bashing he has always made himself available to play for England often when injured, he is our greatest goalscorer ever yet some cant see past the gutter press headlines. Fair play to him I say, if all our so called "top Players" turned up for every game as he did maybe just maybe we would have won something with him in his prime, but hey ho everyone likes a whipping boy! Well he hasn’t anyways made himself available, he retired from international football! The guy had the skill and ability of Ronaldo, it was the dedication and professionalism which let him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Selred said: Well he hasn’t anyways made himself available, he retired from international football! The guy had the skill and ability of Ronaldo, it was the dedication and professionalism which let him down. Really the skill of Ronaldo? That's like comparing Marlon pack to Steven Gerrard! He retired at the back end of his career when the England manager made it clear by not picking him he didn't fancy him! But hey let's use it as yet another stick to beat him with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 22 hours ago, Super said: Check Everton forum they watch every week unlike us. and if you read this forum after a couple of defeats our entire team is shite, doesnt really mean a lot does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 16 minutes ago, frenchred said: Really the skill of Ronaldo? That's like comparing Marlon pack to Steven Gerrard! He retired at the back end of his career when the England manager made it clear by not picking him he didn't fancy him! But hey let's use it as yet another stick to beat him with! Rooney was a better player than Ronaldo when they first joined United in the early 2000’s. He had pace, power, raw ability. Ronaldo stayed late after training bulking up, practising his free kicks, kept to a very strict fitness regime and became one of the worlds best players. Rooney didn’t do any of that. Spent a lot of time drinking, sleeping with old birds and smoking. That’s why he isn’t a world class player. You can have all the natural ability in the world but you need to have the dedication and application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 22 hours ago, Assassin Reid said: He's scored the most but wasn't the greatest - and a lot of those goals came against the likes of Azerbaijan, Liechtenstein and Montenegro. His performances at major tournaments were generally a disappointment. 7/10 for his international career and that's being a tad generous. The same drivel repeated by a lot of people. You'll struggle to find a top England goalscorer who didnt score a lot of goals against weaker opposition He was injured leading into almost every major tournament, its simply unfair to hold that against him like people do. 2004 he was unplayable, and we would have probably won it had he stayed fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 17 minutes ago, Selred said: Rooney was a better player than Ronaldo when they first joined United in the early 2000’s. He had pace, power, raw ability. Ronaldo stayed late after training bulking up, practising his free kicks, kept to a very strict fitness regime and became one of the worlds best players. Rooney didn’t do any of that. Spent a lot of time drinking, sleeping with old birds and smoking. That’s why he isn’t a world class player. You can have all the natural ability in the world but you need to have the dedication and application. As I said before keep believing the gutter press as you obviously take what they say as gospel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 8 hours ago, El Hombrecito said: We can agree to disagree about him as a person. But seriously, an underrated footballer? Possibly the most overrated player of his generation. Through most of his career I suspect that the manager of every top side in Europe would have wanted Gerrard, had he been available. I remember reading Carragher ( I think) saying that if he had wanted, Gerrard could have been Liverpool's best defender, their best full back, their best winger, or their best striker. He was a phenomenal athlete, tough and good in the air. Applying the school playground test, if you were picking teams Gerrard would likely be the player everyone would pick first. I have little doubt that had he played i the successful sides at Chelsea or Man U he would have gone on to be regarded as one of this country's greatest ever players. He was, however, one of the golden generation that as a group did underperform for England, Rooney's record cannot be disputed, but, besides being a bit of a dick head, I think the main reason he is not regarded more highly by many fans is that when he burst on the scene as a teenager he already appeared to have everything and the footballing world was at his feet. Against those ridiculously high expectations, many will judge that he fell short of fulfilling his full potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, frenchred said: As I said before keep believing the gutter press as you obviously take what they say as gospel! It’s a fact Ronaldo doesn’t drink. On the other hand we all know Rooney does. Theres your biggest difference. Why do you believe Rooney hasn’t lived up to his full potential then? (And don’t say he has, as he wouldn’t be playing for mid table Everton now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, Selred said: It’s a fact Ronaldo doesn’t drink. On the other hand we all know Rooney does. Theres your biggest difference. Why do you believe Rooney hasn’t lived up to his full potential then? (And don’t say he has, as he wouldn’t be playing for mid table Everton now). Ask to see his meds how many cups leagues etc did he win? Probably more than Ronaldo (although that's a guess). He never won anything nationally although I think that's more to do with the"system" than him as an individual. I would imagine it was always a dream of his to finish his career at Everton it is his club after all who he supported as a boy, much the same as when Marcus Stewart came to play for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, JonDolman said: I'm struggling to see what was so amazing about that 3rd goal. He chipped it into an open net from a long way out. Why would others not try that? There's no one in goal! Good goal, but not as good as everyone is making out. He's scored plenty better. It was not a chip. Took it first time and driven with the laces. Its a harder technique than Adam or Beckham scoring from similar distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 58 minutes ago, frenchred said: Ask to see his meds how many cups leagues etc did he win? Probably more than Ronaldo (although that's a guess). He never won anything nationally although I think that's more to do with the"system" than him as an individual. I would imagine it was always a dream of his to finish his career at Everton it is his club after all who he supported as a boy, much the same as when Marcus Stewart came to play for us. Ronaldo is considered one of the best players of all time. Rooney isn’t. Ronaldo is the Champions League highest goal scorer of all time. Rooney isn’t. Ronaldo has been the star player at Real Madrid his whole career. Rooney wasn’t at United for the second half of his stay there. Was Rooney a great player yes, but his lifestyle let him down and that stopped him being world class. Ronaldo is streets ahead of Rooney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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