New Arena

[Monkeh]

6 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I thought it was Croatian.

it's a port in Croatia, and unit of currency in Botswanna (SL as links there) 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said:

It is entirely right that elected officials are subject to criticism and held to account for their decisions. They choose to put themselves in that position. Not being willing - or indeed able - to stand for elected office yourself does not mean you surrender your right to an opinion.

Leaders are elected to act in the best interests of those they serve. If we don’t believe they are doing so, we can say that.

What has made me chuckle the most reading the contributions is the suggestion of hypocrisy against those who wouldn't stand and challenge. This by someone who had a chance to calmly substantiate their opinion but instead cowered and lied about theirs to a certain Mr Johnson. Not really recalling as an insult, just that the accusations of hypocrisy themselves are incredibly hypocritical. 

Here's one for you Robbo - 

[UREDS_91]

53 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I thought it was Croatian

45 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

it's a port in Croatia, and unit of currency in Botswanna (SL as links there) 

I was trying to make a joke (which failed massively) But the outcome was actually quite interesting.

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 minutes ago, streety_bcfc said:

I was trying to make a joke (which failed massively) But the outcome was actually quite interesting.

I don't know whether your joke failed, but it was certainly lost on me.

[Port Said Red]

1 hour ago, nebristolred said:

Well if it’s not Bristol Sport’s concern then why are you suggesting it could be a new gig arena? A 3k gig arena is just another mid size one which we really don’t need, when we already have the O2, Colston Hall and Motion

The capacity would be higher for things other than Basketball, courts only tend to have seating on each side. For gigs you could have additional seating at the end opposite the stage and seating or standing on the court area itself. I think you could double the capacity for gigs and similar.

[Guest]

58 minutes ago, Johnr1986 said:

It’s a shame as it would be nice to have the opportunity, but once this and the training ground is completed and judging by what landsdown has spent on buying the land around the stadium, (bbc points west quoted 11m) I think he would have one eye   on purchasing the house behind the Atyeo if we were to ever reach the promise land and establish ourselves there. He clearly Had big plans for ‘Bristol sport’ and all of its infrastructure , 

When you see the struggles that the others from across the river are having with their, 30 year out of date facilities and wally more interested in chelski, makes you really appreciate what  fantastic, passionate and visionary our Steve is he has very deep pockets and is clearly will to invest in the right way ! 

Incidentally they've started building on the Cruikshanks site now.  I wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't already own many of the houses behind the Atyeo already. They'd never let on till they've bought them all up however.

[Maesknoll Red]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Hang on.......you and others are happy to criticise both Red George and Marv for the way Bristol City Council is a complete shambles but not will to stand for election largely because one person is never going to change it and you don't want to give up a decent job................

What don’t you understand about that?  Bristol council is either hung or on a knife edge of hung and has been for years, party politics stop anything getting done, how could I or anyone other individual change that?

[nebristolred]

1 hour ago, Tomarse said:

3-4k would still be almost twice the size of the ones you mentioned.  As others have mentioned on this thread - similar size to the Plymouth Pavilions which get a damn sight better gigs than anything at the 02/Colston Hall etc.  Sure its not perfect but its better than what we've got.. not SL's fault the council are useless.

No chance. Plymouth Pavilions has the advantage of being the only arena in the middle of nowhere and is still too small. Colston Hall and the O2 hold 2k while Motion can hold 4k around a couple of rooms and none of them are adequate for anything other than mid size acts. 3k-4k would be nowhere near enough for a Bristol Arena which should be competing with the likes of Birmingham and Manchester.

You’re wording it as if I’m blaming SL when in reality I’m only pointing out that Monkeh is wrong for suggesting this could replace the Arena plans.

[nickolas]

37 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

Incidentally they've started building on the Cruikshanks site now.  I wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't already own many of the houses behind the Atyeo already. They'd never let on till they've bought them all up however.

Just stewards talk i know but was chatting to one few weeks back and he reckons SL owns all but two and that the two left want £1m each! 

Usual chinese whispers i know but theres a reason SL secured £190m recently from share sales in H.Lansdown, he clearly wants to be releasing funds for some projects!

[Selred]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

You can give as many reasons as you like for not standing for election as mayor and you and others will continue to criticise BCC yet are not prepared to act.

Some would call that hypocrisy.

Did you apply for the City job when  GaryJohnson left then?

[Robbored]

Just now, Selred said:

Did you apply for the City job when  GaryJohnson was sacked?

Unfortunately I didn't have the required coaching qualifications otherwise I might have applied......

[Ska Junkie]

7 minutes ago, nickolas said:

Just stewards talk i know but was chatting to one few weeks back and he reckons SL owns all but two and that the two left want £1m each! 

Usual chinese whispers i know but theres a reason SL secured £190m recently from share sales in H.Lansdown, he clearly wants to be releasing funds for some projects!

I was told something very similar recently. I am most certainly not ITK in any way or saying it's correct but the ''all but two' and the high asking price (no idea if it's £1M) does tie in with what I was told.

[Selred]

5 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Unfortunately I didn't have the required coaching qualifications otherwise I might have applied......

Ah, I thought you had coach experience with Bristol Rovers?

[Rich]

I can't help thinking that there is more to this than just a document prepared by BCC, possibly some time ago knowing them, and that there are in depth negotiations taking place between BS and BCC/Marvin, about something bigger and better.

The site is large enough for a reasonably large arena (8-10k), as long as it were linked to the facilities that already exist within the current stadium, which would make economic sense. There are many designs that could be used which incorporate removable seating and sectioning of the auditorium for bigger and smaller events. The building could be built right up to the Winterstoke road, with all pedestrian access from the existing entrances to each end of the Lansdown stand, which after all caters for 11,000 already. It would need bridges over the brook at ground and first floor levels to link the hospitality areas. Pipe dream some might say, but, very achievable if the funding is in place and as we know Mr L has just sold some £180m worth of shares in his former company, just like he sold shares prior to the plans for AV.

 

[cidered abroad]

22 minutes ago, Selred said:

Ah, I thought you had coach experience with Bristol Rovers?

Yes, he used to drive their team coach to away games.

[Rich]

28 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Unfortunately I didn't have the required coaching qualifications otherwise I might have applied......

Excuse me for pointing out that, you are criticising people who might not have the relevant qualifications or finances to put up for the mayors job when they moan about the Mayor, but, it seems ok for you to moan about the manager of BCFC when you yourself are not qualified to so do.

[Robbored]

3 minutes ago, Rich said:

Excuse me for pointing out that, you are criticising people who might not have the relevant qualifications or finances to put up for the mayors job when they moan about the Mayor, but, it seems ok for you to moan about the manager of BCFC when you yourself are not qualified to so do.

Politics and football coaching are very separate. 

I have no political opinions one way or the other. It doesn't interest me one iota. 

However I did coach and manage Backwell Juniors for several seasons, including  the young Tom Bryan. 

[Red34]

11 minutes ago, Rich said:

I can't help thinking that there is more to this than just a document prepared by BCC, possibly some time ago knowing them, and that there are in depth negotiations taking place between BS and BCC/Marvin, about something bigger and better.

The site is large enough for a reasonably large arena (8-10k), as long as it were linked to the facilities that already exist within the current stadium, which would make economic sense. There are many designs that could be used which incorporate removable seating and sectioning of the auditorium for bigger and smaller events. The building could be built right up to the Winterstoke road, with all pedestrian access from the existing entrances to each end of the Lansdown stand, which after all caters for 11,000 already. It would need bridges over the brook at ground and first floor levels to link the hospitality areas. Pipe dream some might say, but, very achievable if the funding is in place and as we know Mr L has just sold some £180m worth of shares in his former company, just like he sold shares prior to the plans for AV.

 

Yeah I'd imagine if there's any way they could make this happen, the council will be practically begging SL to do it - as it gets them off the hook for the new arena.

And then they can sell the arena land to Bristol Uni and patch a few holes in their budget too...

[exAtyeoMax]

7 minutes ago, Rich said:

Excuse me for pointing out that, you are criticising people who might not have the relevant qualifications or finances to put up for the mayors job when they moan about the Mayor, but, it seems ok for you to moan about the manager of BCFC when you yourself are not qualified to so do.

are any of us…? 

[nickolas]

1 hour ago, Ska Junkie said:

I was told something very similar recently. I am most certainly not ITK in any way or saying it's correct but the ''all but two' and the high asking price (no idea if it's £1M) does tie in with what I was told.

So we’ve probably both been told the same lies!

[The Bard]

1 hour ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

To be fair the ring Road was built years and years before Ferguson and Reece were mayor so can’t blame that on them, although completely agree the ring Road is rubbish

  And it was built by the Highways Agency.  This shows the main use for an elected mayor - someone to blame.  Doesn't actually matter if the problem is anything to do with them.  Elected Patsies.
.

[exAtyeoMax]

Bring back the flyover 

[Cowshed]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Politics and football coaching are very separate. 

I have no political opinions one way or the other. It doesn't interest me one iota. 

However I did coach and manage Backwell Juniors for several seasons, including  the young Tom Bryan. 

Both take financing and commitment.

Look at around £4000 and hundreds of hours (couple of years work at least) to attain UEFA A level.

[bristolcitysweden]

The idea of a 3,000 seater stadium for the basketball is bizarre. They can play at AG with a temporary party tent put over the pitch. In Sweden icehockey is played Indoors and footboll outdoors. Independent of temperature. Basketball can be played outdoors. If the club got land outside AG they can build a giant pisshouse so the area used for toilets at AG can be used for shops etc. Once again. The idea of a 3,000 seater next to AG is truly bizarre. 

[bristolcitysweden]

1) Close Ashton Road down between the housing behind the Atyeo and the park. 2) Move the housing 20 m closer to the park. 3) Build a higher Atyeo Stand.

[Fiale]

13 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

1) Close Ashton Road down between the housing behind the Atyeo and the park. 2) Move the housing 20 m closer to the park. 3) Build a higher Atyeo Stand.

 

Remind us to introduce you to the UK (and Bristol's in particular) planning departments sometime.

[bristolcitysweden]

1 minute ago, Fiale said:

 

Remind us to introduce you to the UK (and Bristol's in particular) planning departments sometime.

They hate cars so they will love this 

[Lord Northski]

Given that City (or a linked company) now own the whole of the site towards Winterstoke Rd. Perhaps with hindsight the redevelopment of the stadium would’ve been done differently, allowing sufficient space for a complete rebuild of the Dolman at some stage. But we are where we are  

 The houses overlooking the park would be a rather good site for a hotel with a rather nice view of the bridge with a large stand built behind. If not a hotel, then some rather expensive flats. Parking for the hotel could be shared with the 2 stadia. 

As for the half dozen houses (alas, including Shed Man’s) at the rear of the SS/EE, they would need to purchased to allow any future extension of the rear section of the SS. 

All of this needs to be done bloody quick if we’re to have the new stand ready for our first season in the Prem, next August. 

[bristolcitysweden]

The housing would benefit from increased value

[miser]

24 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said:

The idea of a 3,000 seater stadium for the basketball is bizarre. They can play at AG with a temporary party tent put over the pitch. In Sweden icehockey is played Indoors and footboll outdoors. Independent of temperature. Basketball can be played outdoors. If the club got land outside AG they can build a giant pisshouse so the area used for toilets at AG can be used for shops etc. Once again. The idea of a 3,000 seater next to AG is truly bizarre. 

Not one for dissing innovative ideas. I'm gonna give this one a thumbs up, particularly as being in the Lansdown,  I could just about make it over to the Wickes site. There would be howls of anguish from the Dolman though !

[Rich]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

Politics and football coaching are very separate. 

I have no political opinions one way or the other. It doesn't interest me one iota. 

However I did coach and manage Backwell Juniors for several seasons, including  the young Tom Bryan. 

Without meaning to be argumentative, I am fully aware that politics and football coaching are different. I was making the analogy, probably not very well, that, it's okay for you to criticise a football manager but, if someone criticises a politician, they should put up, or shut up. Bit hypocritical I thought.

[Rich]

3 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

are any of us…? 

I suppose we all are to some degree. Some more so than others, some less so but with more opinions.

[Rich]

3 hours ago, Red34 said:

Yeah I'd imagine if there's any way they could make this happen, the council will be practically begging SL to do it - as it gets them off the hook for the new arena.

And then they can sell the arena land to Bristol Uni and patch a few holes in their budget too...

SL would drive a hard bargain. I would assume it would be the land to build a multi storey car park and an assisted ride through planning, at the very least. Perhaps, even a little piece of land behind the Dolman, to reproduce the Lansdown at a later date if, there are too many restrictions in Ashton Rd for rebuilding the Atyeo.

[Ska Junkie]

54 minutes ago, Fiale said:

 

Remind us to introduce you to the UK (and Bristol's in particular) planning departments sometime.

I reckon BCS is actually Marvin Rees as that's the sort of stuff he would come out with.

[Robbored]

11 minutes ago, Rich said:

Without meaning to be argumentative, I am fully aware that politics and football coaching are different. I was making the analogy, probably not very well, that, it's okay for you to criticise a football manager but, if someone criticises a politician, they should put up, or shut up. Bit hypocritical I thought.

Certainly most, if not all football fans will criticise their clubs manager and some stage but the average fan doesn't have the required badges to enter into football management whereas in politics the opportunity to join a political party is far simpler and requires no qualifications at all. From  said party base political progress can be made with the right commitment.

Fortunately for everyone else I've never had any interest in politics. To me politicians  are all pretty much the same.

[Cowshed]

23 minutes ago, Rich said:

I suppose we all are to some degree. Some more so than others, some less so but with more opinions.

Having football qualifications will mean that an individual has sought to gain a far more advanced understanding of technical, tactical, social and psychological aspects of football than an average fan. However these really are just aspects of football not its entirety. It is possible to have acquired high levels of knowledge and skill, coach extensively and watch little pro football at all and know little about the Championship for instance. 

A poster like Ole as an example  is obviously informed by constantly watching the team and being able to articulate to a high degree what he is witnessing, and the underlining whys = You do not need a badge to have an understanding of what you watch as a fan, or to have a educated opinion. 

[Up The City!]

On Thursday, December 07, 2017 at 17:52, Bazooka Joe said:

Will the new arena be called "The New Arena" ?

Surely it be just 'The Arena' as there isn't an older arena in Bristol thay it will be replacing?

On Thursday, December 07, 2017 at 18:47, Davefevs said:

I’ve known about it (well substantiated rumours at least) for a while, but have mixed emotions.  Selfishly the WISE is 5 minutes away, but a 3k arena will allow revenues that will allow Flyers to start competing with the big guns in the division.  Quite fancy 3pm ko of football, then 1930 tip off without having to leave BS3!

I hope they build some decent resturant and expand the fan zone.

On Thursday, December 07, 2017 at 19:45, RedM said:

I can’t brlieve this is a serious question, but I’ll answer anyway. Concerts on the pitch can only be held in an approx 6 week window in the Summer. An arena would be 52 weeks of the year from early morning until approx 11pm, any day, variety of sports, conferences, comedy, music etc all under cover.

 

All £££££££'s which hopefully SL can put through our accounts.

12 hours ago, Countryfile said:

Points west map of land purchased by SL, can't see how a 3000 seat arena could fit on just the wickes site

It's frustrating that SL couldn't buy this land a few years ago as it would have been ideal to shift the stadium towards the dual carriage way.

[pongo88]

3 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said:

The idea of a 3,000 seater stadium for the basketball is bizarre. They can play at AG with a temporary party tent put over the pitch. In Sweden icehockey is played Indoors and footboll outdoors. Independent of temperature. Basketball can be played outdoors. If the club got land outside AG they can build a giant pisshouse so the area used for toilets at AG can be used for shops etc. Once again. The idea of a 3,000 seater next to AG is truly bizarre. 

 

3 hours ago, bristolcitysweden said:

1) Close Ashton Road down between the housing behind the Atyeo and the park. 2) Move the housing 20 m closer to the park. 3) Build a higher Atyeo Stand.

I wish they sold whatever you’re drinking in the UK

[Coombsy]

14 hours ago, Dollymarie said:

Nope, I let him out because I have a boyfriend now 

Or do I need to lock him back in there for the January period?

Glad you have a boyfriend now

Flint looks like he got more energy since you let him go 

[Rich]

4 hours ago, Robbored said:

Certainly most, if not all football fans will criticise their clubs manager and some stage but the average fan doesn't have the required badges to enter into football management whereas in politics the opportunity to join a political party is far simpler and requires no qualifications at all. From  said party base political progress can be made with the right commitment.

Fortunately for everyone else I've never had any interest in politics. To me politicians  are all pretty much the same.

Spoken like a seasoned politician.

 

[Rich]

4 hours ago, Cowshed said:

Having football qualifications will mean that an individual has sought to gain a far more advanced understanding of technical, tactical, social and psychological aspects of football than an average fan. However these really are just aspects of football not its entirety. It is possible to have acquired high levels of knowledge and skill, coach extensively and watch little pro football at all and know little about the Championship for instance. 

A poster like Ole as an example  is obviously informed by constantly watching the team and being able to articulate to a high degree what he is witnessing, and the underlining whys = You do not need a badge to have an understanding of what you watch as a fan, or to have a educated opinion. 

I thought that's what I said, but with fewer words.

[T R]

Anybody knows who owns these small industrial units (in yellow)? 

[Lanterne Rouge]

40 minutes ago, Threshing Red said:

Anybody knows who owns these small industrial units (in yellow)? 

Aren`t they mainly just lock ups? I must have walked past hundreds of times but can`t say I`ve ever noticed!

[Fiale]

5 hours ago, Red Right Hand said:

Aren`t they mainly just lock ups? I must have walked past hundreds of times but can`t say I`ve ever noticed!

 

Duckmoor road industrial estate. Several trade companies operate from their as well as offices at the front, I think they were for rent last time I went past.

[exAtyeoMax]

8 hours ago, Threshing Red said:

Anybody knows who owns these small industrial units (in yellow)? 

Isn't that the brewery? There are plans for that to be redeveloped to flats etc (I put a link on the non-football section about a month ago)

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/ashton-gates-old-brewery-transformed-779055

 

[Fiale]

42 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

Isn't that the brewery? There are plans for that to be redeveloped to flats etc (I put a link on the non-football section about a month ago)

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/ashton-gates-old-brewery-transformed-779055

 

 

No that's further down - it's currently a auction house, old warehouse and a crossfit gym one side, and then the old brewery the other (behind the gym and bakery opposite Aldi).

[exAtyeoMax]

2 minutes ago, Fiale said:

 

No that's further down - it's currently a auction house, old warehouse and a crossfit gym one side, and then the old brewery the other (behind the gym and bakery opposite Aldi).

not according to the photo in the BEP

[Northern Red]

Hasn't the Dolman got some sort of protection order on it which means we can't just tear it down and rebuild it?

[Fiale]

4 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

not according to the photo in the BEP

 

Aldi top right, Gym and bakery marked, behind it the mess of buildigns are the auction house, a weird warehouse that is empty but seems to have a busy 3-4 man office above it, and the crossfit gym - as a person who used the gym, and sometimes the auction I can assure you that's the area. Hell the Duckmoor road site wouldn't be able to accomodate 20-30% of the proposals in your link.

 

[exAtyeoMax]

2 minutes ago, Fiale said:

 

Aldi top right, Gym and bakery marked, behind it the mess of buildigns are the auction house, a weird warehouse that is empty but seems to have a busy 3-4 man office above it, and the crossfit gym - as a person who used the gym, and sometimes the auction I can assure you that's the area. Hell the Duckmoor road site wouldn't be able to accomodate 20-30% of the proposals in your link.

 

oh, I see what you're saying! I was looking at the wrong road! Sorry bab!

[T R]

This was the location I was on about next door to ashton gate. Opportunity for lansdown to get his hands on it before housing developers. 

 

[Erithacus]

Used to work in one of those smaller units back in the day (early 90s) and it was a brand new build. The larger and much older building was Avoncolour, a photo lab when you had to have film processing. Think there are lots of little businesses there now. Not sure who owns it or how much it would cost to get the deeds for that lot, nor how useful the place would be in the grand scheme.

[Fiale]

As already mentioned Duckmoor road trading state but not sure what use that land would be to us, what exactly could you do with it ?

[TBW]

On 08/12/2017 at 12:54, bristolcitysweden said:

The idea of a 3,000 seater stadium for the basketball is bizarre. They can play at AG with a temporary party tent put over the pitch. In Sweden icehockey is played Indoors and footboll outdoors. Independent of temperature. Basketball can be played outdoors. If the club got land outside AG they can build a giant pisshouse so the area used for toilets at AG can be used for shops etc. Once again. The idea of a 3,000 seater next to AG is truly bizarre. 

Football can be played on concrete too so to save us the hassle of the upkeep of the grass pitch let's just cement over the pitch and play on that. We'll start a revolution! 

You're an idiot.

[exAtyeoMax]

7 hours ago, Fiale said:

As already mentioned Duckmoor road trading state but not sure what use that land would be to us, what exactly could you do with it ?

A new entrance if Ashton Road closed and Atyeo rebuilt? A new shop?

[exAtyeoMax]

13 hours ago, Threshing Red said:

This was the location I was on about next door to ashton gate. Opportunity for lansdown to get his hands on it before housing developers. 

 

yes, sorry for the misunderstanding. A good plot to buy…

[WhistleHappy]

On ‎07‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 07:45, Monkeh said:

flyers 

A new airport? ... or just a helipad? 

[Bristol Rob]

3 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

A new entrance if Ashton Road closed and Atyeo rebuilt? A new CHIP shop?

 

[exAtyeoMax]

Just now, Bristol Rob said:

 

ooh…now you're talking! salt and Malt

[Port Said Red]

The retail units next to the winterstoke road entrance could be a useful purchase. Isn't one of them empty already? It never seems popular and it could be adapted in lots of ways. The KFC franchise could be incorporated to keep @Dollymaries friend happy.

[Guest]

23 hours ago, Fiale said:

 

Aldi top right, Gym and bakery marked, behind it the mess of buildigns are the auction house, a weird warehouse that is empty but seems to have a busy 3-4 man office above it, and the crossfit gym - as a person who used the gym, and sometimes the auction I can assure you that's the area. Hell the Duckmoor road site wouldn't be able to accomodate 20-30% of the proposals in your link.

 

The tall red brick part of the old brewery will remain. It’s owned by GF

[asfred]

22 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

The retail units next to the winterstoke road entrance could be a useful purchase. Isn't one of them empty already? It never seems popular and it could be adapted in lots of ways. The KFC franchise could be incorporated to keep @Dollymaries friend happy.

No they are all rented out. Staples closed recently, but a new food shop has opened.

[steviestevieneville]

On 08/12/2017 at 17:54, bristolcitysweden said:

The idea of a 3,000 seater stadium for the basketball is bizarre. They can play at AG with a temporary party tent put over the pitch. In Sweden icehockey is played Indoors and footboll outdoors. Independent of temperature. Basketball can be played outdoors. If the club got land outside AG they can build a giant pisshouse so the area used for toilets at AG can be used for shops etc. Once again. The idea of a 3,000 seater next to AG is truly bizarre. 

**** me , you are a proper mentalist