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We go 1-0 up not because of Flint going up front and he leaves him there. It wasnt working at all, any flick ons weren't being met.  

If Johnson moves Flint back then we win that game. Hörður cannot be trusted at centre back and it was very naive from him for the sending off. 

This loss isn't going to ruin our season but lessons to be learned

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I hope we're not seeing shades of Vasko there!

All true your points and something to learn from but LJ is massively in credit and is a thinker who will go over that again and again, so I'm not worried.

I did think leaving Flint up after the lead was silly as we could now pick them off on the break with an advantage but to be honest who can legislate for Fielding's mental fit?

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Just now, tinman85 said:

Hörður is also not a wing back. Bonkers tactics but in fairness the injuries are too much. We need proven champ players in Jan who can deal with the rigours of champ football. The overseas signings physically are finding it hard to adapt e.g. All the injuries. 

Thought he played well when wide

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3 minutes ago, RedDave said:

We go 1-0 up not because of Flint going up front and he leaves him there. It wasnt working at all, any flick ons weren't being met.  

If Johnson moves Flint back then we win that game. Hörður cannot be trusted at centre back and it was very naive from him for the sending off. 

This loss isn't going to ruin our season but lessons to be learned

Lessons to be learnt agreed.

We are who we are though and maybe todays naivety is a small price to pay for the overall high tempo, attacking minded football that has seen us transformed this season.

I'm sure it won't cost us either, I'll still blame the Burton and Millwall games if it goes tits up!

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Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control.

I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves.

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6 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control.

I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves.

Appears it could have been a mistake only in hindsight

He was causing problems and creating space for BR and others , and we looked to be on top, so a difficult call when we went one up , and My inclination was to drop Flint back but I can understand why LJ kept it as it was

The poor derfending for their first should never have happened with 3 centre backs in place - and it was their bloody Right back (Who was excellent ) that made that run 

:grr:

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5 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control.

I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves.

Pack allowed their player to get between him and the ball. Six of one and half a dozen of the other really, but always going to be given that way. Should have just let it go out or fall over for a foul when he was closest to the ball. An error, he knows that, we just have to go again.

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3 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

,IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves.

Agree, but I don't think the ref looked like he was going to give anything, it was the linesman that flagged for the free kick. 

IMO our biggest problem was being very pedestrian and a little complacent at 1-0 up. Wolves were always going to be a threat on the break even with 10 and our pedestrian football afforded them the opportunity to hit us. 

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3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Appears it could have been a mistake only in hindsight

He was causing problems and creating space for BR and others , and we looked to be on top, so a difficult call when we went one up , and My inclination was to drop Flint back but I can understand why LJ kept it as it was

The poor derfending for their first should never have happened with 3 centre backs in place - and it was their bloody Right back (Who was excellent ) that made that run 

:grr:

I thougt it was positive and sensible given the only times we looked dangerous first half was from crosses

hindsight is the right word.

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One thing we have learned - LJ cannot rate Woodrow at all. Plays Flint up top because we have no presence, then doesn't bring him on when down to 10 men to hold the ball. He may as well go back it would seem. 

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1 minute ago, 29AR said:

One thing we have learned - LJ cannot rate Woodrow at all. Plays Flint up top because we have no presence, then doesn't bring him on when down to 10 men to hold the ball. He may as well go back it would seem. 

I'm not so sure. Think we opted to bring on Taylor instead because with Patterson off we needed someone who could contribute more to the build up play. Had Patterson not been sent off, think we'd have seen Woodrow come on at some point.

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Fielding didn't need to come out that far. Hörður was side by side with him and it was a needless red card and cost us the game. Perhaps Flint should have came back after 1 nil but it didn't happen. We're still doing brilliantly. COYR

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1 minute ago, JC5 said:

I'm not so sure. Think we opted to bring on Taylor instead because with Patterson off we needed someone who could contribute more to the build up play. Had Patterson not been sent off, think we'd have seen Woodrow come on at some point.

I would have brought Leko on at that point

I know many will disagree but think it was a stage set for him 

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Just now, BobBobSuperBob said:

I would have brought Leko on at that point

I know many will disagree but think it was a stage set for him 

Agreed - Not sure what he needs to do to get some game time. Can't remember who it was against but one of the first games he played in, he absolutely smashed it

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1 hour ago, RedDave said:

We go 1-0 up not because of Flint going up front and he leaves him there. It wasnt working at all, any flick ons weren't being met.  

If Johnson moves Flint back then we win that game. Hörður cannot be trusted at centre back and it was very naive from him for the sending off. 

This loss isn't going to ruin our season but lessons to be learned

Short sighted post.

Having flint up front meant two of their defenders were sucked in. Leaving more space for Reid/ Pato etc.

Ok it didn't directly lead to the goal, but it opened up a very tight wolves defence up until there point. 

Ofcourse with what happened people will jump on the fact flint was up front. But we should of been more than capable to not leave ourselves in that situation to the lead up to Frankie's error. Our whole midfield got sucked in towards the ball

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53 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Was leaving Flint up top after our goal a mistake?, possibly but I can understand the reason that he did it, because we were so much in control.

I don't know whether anybody else has mentioned this, but I felt and still feel that the award of the free kick to Wolves leading to the winner was highly debatable, IMHO both players were wrestling with each other, which made it impossible to decide who was doing what, but then the Wolves player clearly chops Pack down, I was surprised when the referee gave the free kick to Wolves.

I agree we should not have left Flint forward against a team romping the league whose specialty is hitting sides on the break. There was no need. We could have ground out a boring frustrating 1-0 win instead of trying to go for more goals. 

Hindsight is great - but it’s also how lessons are learned. We are still in the mix. 

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4 minutes ago, RedNight said:

Short sighted post.

Having flint up front meant two of their defenders were sucked in. Leaving more space for Reid/ Pato etc.

Ok it didn't directly lead to the goal, but it opened up a very tight wolves defence up until there point. 

Ofcourse with what happened people will jump on the fact flint was up front. But we should of been more than capable to not leave ourselves in that situation to the lead up to Frankie's error. Our whole midfield got sucked in towards the ball

I have a little sympathy with Fielding actually. He made a split second decision to avert a goal and we may have got away with it too. 

He wouldn’t have been put in that position had we had 4 back covering. 

Thank goodness Steele is rather good. 

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27 minutes ago, Brizzol said:

Fielding didn't need to come out that far. Hörður was side by side with him and it was a needless red card and cost us the game. Perhaps Flint should have came back after 1 nil but it didn't happen. We're still doing brilliantly. COYR

Simple, but you've pretty much summed it up. Can't give you a "like" I'm out of them for the day.

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If Flint had dropped back into defence we would have basically been settling for a 1-0 which is dangerous even against their 10 men. I have seen it countless times at City and it was a tactic GJ used a lot. I'm glad LJ went for the win by being positive and kept pushing for a second. This time we got done by a stupid late free kick - it happens. 

We need to get 1 of our big strikers fit so we don't have to throw Flint upfront but I'm sure LJ knows that.

Gutted walking out the ground surrounded by Wolves fans but thats football. 

I think Wolves will take some catching now 10 points clear is a lot and they did look a good side even with 10 men.

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5 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said:

I have a little sympathy with Fielding actually. He made a split second decision to avert a goal and we may have got away with it too. 

He wouldn’t have been put in that position had we had 4 back covering. 

Thank goodness Steele is rather good. 

My post wasn't really about the Fielding situation. I agree, it was a split second decision 

It was more directed at people not understanding that Flint up front was working 

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40 minutes ago, JC5 said:

Agreed - Not sure what he needs to do to get some game time. Can't remember who it was against but one of the first games he played in, he absolutely smashed it

He looked dynamite in (I think ) his first two run outs, since then has appeared a liability. I prefer giving Eliasson game time, as he is actually ours.

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5 minutes ago, RedNight said:

My post wasn't really about the Fielding situation. I agree, it was a split second decision 

It was more directed at people not understanding that Flint up front was working 

There was nothing wrong with Flint being up front because it was knocking the stuffing out of 2 centre backs to free space as you rightly said. Both goals conceded were down to poor split second decision by Pack and Fielding, coupled with an unfortunate deflection from the former and poor marking by Baker and Wright for Wolves' goals.

City didn't deserve to lose against a strong side who are deservedly leading the Championship at a canter. Mind you they have spent tens of millions to do so.

We on the other hand have only lost 4 games in 25 and should be proud of our superb run with a patched up team that sadly reached the end of their elastic this evening.

With the right recruits in January; a strong centre forward, midfielder or two and a specialist right back, then second place is still up for grabs.

We have nothing to fear.

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3 minutes ago, bengalcub said:

A bad day at the office , however the lads will comeback Stronger as that will hurt a lot , quick word on Taylor totally in affective brings nothing to the team really need a striker in .

Agreed Taylor was ineffective. He did some good work on the left to bring the ball down and beat a defender, getting into a position to be able to cross and cause problems. Instead he chose to shoot from a Van Basten angle... It was unintelligent and unusual for us - I was thinking how lucky we are now to have so many quick thinking, intelligent players across the team this season. Then Pack did something really thick right at the end!

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It's difficult . While I didn't like Flint going up front, it was more to do with looking unbalanced at the back. When he first went, Brownhill looked like he was FB and Bailey had moved over. In theory we had a right footed/left footed CB combination Mags at LB. But Brownhill is not a WB/FB.  They then seemed to switch and Wright got across and Brownhill was pushed forward. For a short period they rotated quite well.
Up front Flint was making space for the runners, and when I was asked the question by a mate I really wasn't sure if I would  put Flint back as we really were in a position to force home the advantage. 
What Wolves did do is counter well, they really looked a threat (specially when the sub came on) and they almost caught us on a few occasions earlier. This is what worried me, with them down to 10 we could have kept 2 or 3 back to make sure we never got caught on the break. The other thing that the sending off did is make us play a bit slower, I think our possession stats were about 70% and it did lead to a little over playing and complacency . 
I don't get people saying WW deserved to win though. 11 Vs 11 ,  I thought we shaded it. 11 Vs 10 we dominated , to be fair 10 Vs 10 there was only going to be one winner after it went 1-1. 
With us at 'bare bones' and almost running on empty, you look at the quality they can bring off the bench there is a big gulf between us and them. That said I thought we looked very good in spells, against a top side, and what (another) great team goal. 
If we can add some quality bodies during Jan, I will stop trying to be sensible and start shouting that we can make 2nd.

 

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1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

It's difficult . While I didn't like Flint going up front, it was more to do with looking unbalanced at the back. When he first went, Brownhill looked like he was FB and Bailey had moved over. In theory we had a right footed/left footed CB combination Mags at LB. But Brownhill is not a WB/FB.  They then seemed to switch and Wright got across and Brownhill was pushed forward. For a short period they rotated quite well.
Up front Flint was making space for the runners, and when I was asked the question by a mate I really wasn't sure if I would  put Flint back as we really were in a position to force home the advantage. 
What Wolves did do is counter well, they really looked a threat (specially when the sub came on) and they almost caught us on a few occasions earlier. This is what worried me, with them down to 10 we could have kept 2 or 3 back to make sure we never got caught on the break. The other thing that the sending off did is make us play a bit slower, I think our possession stats were about 70% and it did lead to a little over playing and complacency . 
I don't get people saying WW deserved to win though. 11 Vs 11 ,  I thought we shaded it. 11 Vs 10 we dominated , to be fair 10 Vs 10 there was only going to be one winner after it went 1-1. 
With us at 'bare bones' and almost running on empty, you look at the quality they can bring off the bench there is a big gulf between us and them. That said I thought we looked very good in spells, against a top side, and what (another) great team goal. 
If we can add some quality bodies during Jan, I will stop trying to be sensible and start shouting that we can make 2nd.

 

Thought Josh was poor tonight Mike - has been a contributor in most games but affected little tonight and our threat came mainly down left although ironically we scored with a beautiful piece of football down the right

Not his best night but they all have plenty of (Excuse the pun ,) brownie points in the bank

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2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Thought Josh was poor tonight Mike - has been a contributor in most games but affected little tonight and our threat came mainly down left although ironically we scored with a beautiful piece of football down the right

Not his best night but they all have plenty of (Excuse the pun ,) brownie points in the bank

Not his best but he does add balance . I think of all the midfield he looks to be struggling most, simply not enough time to recover and no options to rest him. 
Mags and JB rotated brilliantly today, I thought Bryan moving infield and leaving space for Hodour worked well, and he knocked in some real teasing crosses. 

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I think the main lesson to learn is if you are a goalie don't deliberately get yourself sent off as no goal is certain - particularly from a player running quite fast with defenders on his tail. Moreover even if the goal had been scored, our one man advantage would more than likely have restored the lead. And let's face it, even if it didn't,  a point against a talented team like that is no bad thing. For me that,  not Johnson's tactics,  cost us the match.

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5 hours ago, RedDave said:

We go 1-0 up not because of Flint going up front and he leaves him there. It wasnt working at all, any flick ons weren't being met.  

If Johnson moves Flint back then we win that game. Hörður cannot be trusted at centre back and it was very naive from him for the sending off. 

This loss isn't going to ruin our season but lessons to be learned

RedDave tells Lee Johnson he needs to a learn lessons

:laugh:

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I think Frankie will admit that was his fault, he had to make a quick decision and took the wrong option. He doesn't make many mistakes although I remember him doing something similar in his very first game for us (although no sending-off). Hope he's back soon as I prefer him to Steel.

As for people criticising Magners he was brilliant at LB first half, his crossing into the box reminded me of Tinman. With his long throw as well he's been a real asset in recent games.

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