Silvio Dante Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Final thought on this that has just come to me, spurred by Bennett’s “tackle” earlier. My understanding is that because the ref saw Bennett’s challenge and gave a yellow, that it can’t be updated to a red retrospectively - refs seen it, made a call and the matters done. In the case of Bakes, to reiterate - it is a foul, it is a yellow minimum (LJ said he was expecting that). So, does the same apply for appeals where a red is felt to be a yellow (I.e you can’t) as when a yellow is a felt to be red? Put simpler, can anyone give me an example of where a red card has been downgraded on appeal to a yellow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Times have certainly changed. Seems like yesterday to us old folks that we were proud of our Normans, our Gerry Gows... the game has gone soft VAR ffs come on.. The game is soft in a lot of ways from the "good ole days", but it’s also faster, and injuries more likely from smaller contact. Would you say that the two-footed straight on flying tackle is a more modern thing...say last 20ish years. I’m 47, and it was a rarity to see that until I got into my 20s. The hard men of yesteryear, could tackle hard and fair too, and it was more hacking and tripping than studs up stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Final thought on this that has just come to me, spurred by Bennett’s “tackle” earlier. My understanding is that because the ref saw Bennett’s challenge and gave a yellow, that it can’t be updated to a red retrospectively - refs seen it, made a call and the matters done. In the case of Bakes, to reiterate - it is a foul, it is a yellow minimum (LJ said he was expecting that). So, does the same apply for appeals where a red is felt to be a yellow (I.e you can’t) as when a yellow is a felt to be red? Put simpler, can anyone give me an example of where a red card has been downgraded on appeal to a yellow? Not that I can recall, it either stays a red or becomes nothing, never remember a red becoming a yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Not that I can recall, it either stays a red or becomes nothing, never remember a red becoming a yellow. Cheers fevs, that’s what I thought. Everything else around it (Bailey v Fulham, the other decisions in the game, Bennett) is just noise. We have to suck this one up whatever we think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: The game is soft in a lot of ways from the "good ole days", but it’s also faster, and injuries more likely from smaller contact. Would you say that the two-footed straight on flying tackle is a more modern thing...say last 20ish years. I’m 47, and it was a rarity to see that until I got into my 20s. The hard men of yesteryear, could tackle hard and fair too, and it was more hacking and tripping than studs up stuff? Maybe. But Chopper Harris, Kenny Burns, Tommy Smith, Norman... the list is massive I'm not sure fairness bothered these guys too much got to add Souness to this list of nutters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Maybe. But Chopper Harris, Kenny Burns, Tommy Smith, Norman... the list is massive I'm not sure fairness bothered these guys too much got to add Souness to this list of nutters Yeah, Souness was happy to go studs up, but I don’t remember too many others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: Put simpler, can anyone give me an example of where a red card has been downgraded on appeal to a yellow? My understanding is the appeals panel has discretion to downgrade the punishment (both suspension and financial penalty) if the original decision was deemed to be incorrect, but the original decision remains on record. All somewhat moot in that case. A Red doesn't become a Yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Yeah, Souness was happy to go studs up, but I don’t remember too many others. Kenny Burns. A horror show good player, but a maniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 I see a Scottish theme developing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: Times have certainly changed. Seems like yesterday to us old folks that we were proud of our Normans, our Gerry Gows... the game has gone soft VAR ffs come on.. Saw Dave McKay a few times. Hard as nails and boy could he play. Sadly there wouldn't be a place for him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 Just now, BTRFTG said: Saw Dave McKay a few times. Hard as nails and boy could he play. Sadly there wouldn't be a place for him today. How the F could i forget this guy. great player / leader but an absolute animal in the tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Got to hold my hands up! I stated earlier that I thought the red card for Baker was right, or at least I could see why Sroud gave it. However, after much opinion to the contrary and seeing Bennett’s challenge in Sane yesterday I am inclined to change my mind. If Baker was late on Scowen then Bennett was still travelling from another post code before connecting with Sane’s ankle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 So why no appeal? could not justifiably be seen as frivolous and even if it were A ban for a 4th match would not bother us - surely they bad rep of a crap ref would be in our favour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, dave36 said: So why no appeal? could not justifiably be seen as frivolous and even if it were A ban for a 4th match would not bother us - surely they bad rep of a crap ref would be in our favour 4th match is Fulham I would certainly want Baker playing in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Would be disappointed if we didn't appeal, and Scowen should be charghed with simulation, I cannot see any contact with the knee he is holding like a baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 19 hours ago, Davefevs said: Yeah, Souness was happy to go studs up, but I don’t remember too many others. Mark Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 I don't think we will appeal but Scowen should take a look at himself. More rolls than Greggs FFS! There's a big difference between being a hard player and being filthy. I remember Souness as more in the latter bracket. Sometimes the tackles could be viewed as more cowardly than anything else. Hard players would include Tommy Smith for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Julian Dicks. I was talking to a customer today who`s son was at West Ham`s academy and had his leg broken in training by JD and he`s never forgiven him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOLMANDAN Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 He is in the air uncontrolled tackle so yes a red is the correct decision.However malicious dangerous? no i dont think so i believe and hope a one match ban will suffice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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