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17 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

And a tactical change was made right before said corner.

Johnsons decisions have got us into the playoff spots.

Rearrange these words- grip get a.

You won’t hear a word against LJ will you? No one can question him in your eyes.

Last two games have been pathetic, a very worrying fragility has crept into our team...last season we were 3-0 at Derby and drew and we were 2-0 up at Newcastle and drew...sound familiar ?

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2 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

We've missed an opportunity. We didn't buy experience in January. 

In all Carey fairness LJ has a patchy record on signings as is well discussed here and elsewhere. What he has proven his worth with is motivation. He has jelled the players that were here when he arrived and played them in a better formation but the players he has bought have been a rather mixed bag thus far. Tactics when ahead remain amateurish.

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1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Pathetically embarrassing again.

Shades of last season.

When shit like this continues to happen there is something wrong somewhere.

Just like last season I am struggling to see where our next win is coming from.

Play offs?, 11th at best for me.

I agree this is really a perplexing puzzle because it was the same last season - and for LJ the third time in his career.

end of a depressing week when SL was quoted it could take us up to a century to be a top Premier team.  That is clear nonsense, and only makes sense as long as current ownership remains wedded to its five pillar policy regardless

I am optimistic - realistic - in saying we could be a top Premier League team in under ten years if we had a realistic strategy.

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This really is hilarious on here. 

Frustrating, yes, but seriously... Not the end of the world. 

We are in the play offs, we've had an unbelievable cup run. We all want promotion,  but one step at a time. 

The club are moving forward, Johnson is still very young and I'm sure will admit himself still has areas where he needs to improve. 

A lot of the management aspects will only come through experience. 

Chill the **** out 

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I don’t think we actually played that well all game, 2 goals from Leeds being poor at the back yes but despite that we didn’t really have many other clear chances and too many poor final balls. At 2-0 up we looked reasonably comfortable but it looked like there was no real game plan and more just trying to keep ball and try control the game, but again it didn’t work! Last week and tonight’s performance/result is exactly why we won’t stay in the playoffs 

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7 minutes ago, tinman85 said:

Well i haven't posted on here for a while. Has been interesting watching from afar. Made it clear as day that we needed experience in January. Our signings were so poor. LJ already doesn't trust Walsh or Diony it seems. You need to sign players who are better than your first 11. We've made up the numbers. What a fragile group of players without Baker and dare I say it Pisano. Need those two back and Wright and Magnússon sadly out 

Exactly. Neither Walsh or Doiny could have come on today to affect the game in City’s favour. Both may be good first team players in a year or two, but that doesn’t help the push for promotion this season. Where was the full back signing we needed? 

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20 minutes ago, 054123 said:

It's not what we do.

I think the club's plans are clear and we have to go along with them. 

As long as we improve next year then I think Lansdown has been proven right.

I can’t see us finishing higher next season than this. 

Flint, Bryan & possibly Reid will all go. 

Absolutely fuming. We’ve completely ****** this. Again. We can say “it’s not what we do” but basically all that means is “we don’t get promoted to the premier league”. 

Teams that spend big when their stock is high, and strengthen when they’re on top, go up. End of story. 

2 of the 3 players we brought in in January werent trusted to play today. 1 of them has been ripped apart 2 games in a row for being too selfish. 1 of them has been an unused sub 2 games in a row.

A strong bench and we see that game out comfortably. But we are STILL resorted to bringing on Woodrow as a sub. We knew he wasn’t good enough in October. 

We will never learn 

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Bradley Wright beaten at the back post again. I see no point in bringing Woodrow on over Diony, and struggling to see the excitement of Ryan Kent, he’s a white Junior Bent, lots of pace and **** all end product. 

Why did we drop Bobby Reid back into midfield and play 1 upfront with no press.

We should have cruised that

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2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

You won’t hear a word against LJ will you? No one can question him in your eyes.

Last two games have been pathetic, a very worrying fragility has crept into our team...last season we were 3-0 at Derby and drew and we were 2-0 up at Newcastle and drew...sound familiar ?

There is certainly a similar vein reoccurring as that of last year but as much as I was in the LJ out camp back then he still has a few Brownie points in his favour this year. However, this type of capitulation needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency. Promotion candidates at this moment we are not.

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3 minutes ago, Manon said:

This really is hilarious on here. 

Frustrating, yes, but seriously... Not the end of the world. 

We are in the play offs, we've had an unbelievable cup run. We all want promotion,  but one step at a time. 

The club are moving forward, Johnson is still very young and I'm sure will admit himself still has areas where he needs to improve. 

A lot of the management aspects will only come through experience. 

Chill the **** out 

I had to check to see if I'd opened GasChat by mistake.

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4 minutes ago, Full nelson said:

Does Gary o neil need to come on after 60/65 minutes to sure things up? 

Given that Pack is out for 2 games now, wouldn’t be surprised to see GON involved Wednesday. Experience like his is much needed.  However, likelihood is Brownhill into the middle and Pato back in the lineup.

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They are back to being the team they were last year, bit better football and more threatening at times, but any team expecting to be in the playoff's would see that game out.
Joe Bryan is looking less and less like a FB this year, out of position so often and makes rash challenges getting back. Same could be said for Wright, uses strength to try and block people off instead of going for the ball. Woodrow just looks like he's not interested. Kent showed skill at times but over plays and wants to hold the ball and so slows play down too much. FD looked knackered and should have been subbed earlier, but with a choice of Woodrow and Diony I can understand LJ hesitating . FF , strange one, caught crosses, makes saves but can't kick a ball into about an acre of grass.
To be fair at times we looked like were getting back to the passing of earlier in the season, but as the game went on they crumbled to a pressure that wasn't even there. You expect the opposition to have spells , but we just seem to let them keep coming and coming.
not sure what LJ can do, it's a mental thing and confidence is brittle.
With 2 real inform teams coming up I can see us dropping out of the top 8 by the end of the month. Whether we can start another run and get back in is another question.

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22 minutes ago, Spike said:

Simple fact is it's not just Johnson but the players who have a lot to answer for, shocking decision making and the fear.... we're playing afraid! I honestly think it's a mental issue and that's where Lee Johnson struggled last season too, he seems to struggle to instill confidence in our players when it's not there.

You can see it on the pitch right now, at 2-2 we're playing to hold onto a point, not playing with confidence to get the 3. We are NOT a team capable of promotion if we can't overcome that.

How many times have we thrown a point away by going balls out for a win ? 

A point away from home  is OK . 

Like last week it feels like a loss but it keeps us three in front of Preston .

We outplayed Leeds and really should have won but that's football. Every team in this league is capable of beating every other. 

Diony was poor I thought . 

:whistle2:

We played some great football for 70 minutes . Then seemed to lose the midfield. Did we run out of steam ? 

Baker to come back Wednesday.

Pack out . 

 

Not too disappointed but we need to get a win soon or shares in Isewater Enterprises are going to rocket.

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25 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

And a tactical change was made right before said corner.

Johnsons decisions have got us into the playoff spots.

Rearrange these words- grip get a.

It was a piss poor substitution, Brownhill was playing well in a strong midfield and Paterson has been playing like a drain, he should have taken Kent off, he is far too greedy and was being caught out every time we attacked with his desire to beat just one more defender instead of playing the simple pass and the 2nd substitution the less said the better.

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1 minute ago, tinman85 said:

No too open v Fulham. They'll carve us apart. Magnússon left back. Bryan on the left midfield. 

We are carved apart anyway so wouldn’t make much difference. Unfortunately the fact that we don’t have RB (Sessegnon will have a field day) will only add to it

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1 minute ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

It was a piss poor substitution, Brownhill was playing well in a strong midfield and Paterson has been playing like a drain, he should have taken Kent off, he is far too greedy and was being caught out every time we attacked with his desire to beat just one more defender instead of playing the simple pass and the 2nd substitution the less said the better.

TBF it looked like Josh had pulled his hamstring a bit stretching for that ball.

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9 minutes ago, Full nelson said:

Please come to the realisation that we ain’t finishing in the top 6!!

Isn't that a bit pessimistic when we're in the top 6 already? We're due for a run of wins like we've done a couple of times already this season, the teams below us are nothing special.

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10 minutes ago, Full nelson said:

Does Gary o neil need to come on after 60/65 minutes to sure things up? 

As CTRed says. Yes.. We need that type of player to be the calming influence.

8 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Sat in a play-off place and not losing away to Leeds. Every team below us would love to be able to claim that, don't you think?

Yes to a degree but we make the same mistakes and little sign coaching are learning. Long hard season and time to recover but it is slipping away because we cannot see out games.

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11 minutes ago, Manon said:

This really is hilarious on here. 

Frustrating, yes, but seriously... Not the end of the world. 

We are in the play offs, we've had an unbelievable cup run. We all want promotion,  but one step at a time. 

The club are moving forward, Johnson is still very young and I'm sure will admit himself still has areas where he needs to improve. 

A lot of the management aspects will only come through experience. 

Chill the **** out 

This.

There are some serious OTT reactions on here. It's comical. 

The desperation from certain people for LJ to fail is quite sad. 

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Exactly the same failing as last week  - we stopped playing. All the things we did in the first half to control the game we stopped doing. Just before they got their first goal I made a comment to my son about how we seemed to have stopped pressing, allowing them to have their half to themselves. For both their goals we let them get in front of us rather than showing the determination to be first to the ball. When teams take their foot off the peddle it's difficult to get control of the game back - so in the end we were hanging on and lucky to get the point with their chance right at the death.

On the one hand a point gained, which I would have taken before the game. Overall, though, another two points wasted. 

Still all to play for, but very frustrating today.

 

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2 minutes ago, havanatopia said:

Yes to a degree but we make the same mistakes and little sign coaching are learning. Long hard season and time to recover but it is slipping away because we cannot see out games.

Had we come back from being two nil down, everyone here would be delighted. Unfortunately it happened the other way around.

End result either way is one point away from home.

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7 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

How many times have we thrown a point away by going balls out for a win ? 

A point away from home  is OK . 

Like last week it feels like a loss but it keeps us three in front of Preston .

We outplayed Leeds and really should have won but that's football. Every team in this league is capable of beating every other. 

Diony was poor I thought . 

:whistle2:

We played some great football for 70 minutes . Then seemed to lose the midfield. Did we run out of steam ? 

Baker to come back Wednesday.

Pack out . 

 

Not too disappointed but we need to get a win soon or shares in Isewater Enterprises are going to rocket.

We outplayed Leeds for 60 minutes, games are 90 minutes +, Leeds actually deserved to win that game the way we played in those last 30, they pushed they reacted to their situation and they damn well came very close to taking all three points. If I was a Leeds fan I'd be just as disappointed by that result as I am as a City fan because they knew we were there for the taking.

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1 minute ago, JamesBCFC said:

Because form is temporary?

A player in a bad run of form needs game time to get out of it does he not?

He was also a key player for us before he was hospitalised with illness, no reason he won't become so again this season

 

We were under the cosh at the time it was a poor substitution. 

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5 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

It was a piss poor substitution, Brownhill was playing well in a strong midfield and Paterson has been playing like a drain, he should have taken Kent off, he is far too greedy and was being caught out every time we attacked with his desire to beat just one more defender instead of playing the simple pass and the 2nd substitution the less said the better.

Brownhill looked tired. I think he may have jarred something , may have been playing for time but I doubt it. 
I would have brought Pato on for Kent before, slowed the game by holding onto the ball and stopped any rhythm we had. We still don't have the options, if Oneil is fit he'll probably start Vs Fulham and Cardiff, the only other choice is Walsh and it looks like LJ doesn't  trust him yet. Eliasson could have been part of a triple change I suppose, show we are still light in midfield options.

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34 minutes ago, Full nelson said:

Can we all stop talking about the f’ing Playoffs!!! We ain’t staying in the top six. We will do well to stay above 10th!! Good season turning out to be very bang average and a season which will just dwilndle along till May. 

Bit like last season at the start of the year.

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2 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Let's hope so indeed.

I feel he's got a lot to do to turn around your opinion of him though.

A run of games - especially in the same position with the same responsibilities - is going to be beneficial to the match fitness, individual performance, and even decision making, of any player.

Harsh to demand an error free game from him because every single player will make them.

Let's give him a break - as you rightly say, a clean slate - and hope for a confident no nonsense performance from Hörður rather than look to highlight the odd error, unless they prove costly.

I would add that if you're a defender booting the ball over the stand occasionally is perfectly acceptable, and I'm sure Hörður has been left in no doubt about that.

I thought he had a decent game today. No silly errors, a few good blocks and generally sound enough. 

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1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

Brownhill looked tired. I think he may have jarred something , may have been playing for time but I doubt it. 
I would have brought Pato on for Kent before, slowed the game by holding onto the ball and stopped any rhythm we had. We still don't have the options, if Oneil is fit he'll probably start Vs Fulham and Cardiff, the only other choice is Walsh and it looks like LJ doesn't  trust him yet. Eliasson could have been part of a triple change I suppose, show we are still light in midfield options.

He doesn't trust Magnússon, Eliasson, Walsh or Woodrow?.

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2 hours ago, Alessandro said:

 

This.

A lot of Barnsley fans actually liked everyone to believe that Heckingbottom was the secret to LJ’s ‘success’ at Barnsley. LJ was the face and Hecky put in all the hard work - hence they were very happy when he took over and were glad to see the back of LJ.

Edit - sorry @JamesBCFC - wrote this just as you must have posted the same thing!

 

Have you not seen their recent take on that situation since heckingbottom has left? 

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2 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

He doesn't trust Magnússon, Eliasson, Walsh or Woodrow?.

Not a very trusting man is he?
Mags only played as he'd tried Josh and Korey and neither worked. 
Eliasson may come good, but with Kent here not this year.
Woodrow is a waste of a shirt and if Djuric was fit and Diony was match fit and interested he wouldn't even be near the bench. I could see the reasoning as he is busy , but God he needs a firecracker up his ass to get him going. 
We seem to have numbers but not real options/choices.

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33 minutes ago, petehinton said:

I can’t see us finishing higher next season than this. 

Flint, Bryan & possibly Reid will all go. 

Absolutely fuming. We’ve completely ****** this. Again. We can say “it’s not what we do” but basically all that means is “we don’t get promoted to the premier league”. 

Teams that spend big when their stock is high, and strengthen when they’re on top, go up. End of story. 

2 of the 3 players we brought in in January werent trusted to play today. 1 of them has been ripped apart 2 games in a row for being too selfish. 1 of them has been an unused sub 2 games in a row.

A strong bench and we see that game out comfortably. But we are STILL resorted to bringing on Woodrow as a sub. We knew he wasn’t good enough in October. 

We will never learn 

It's not whether we've learnt.

If this doesn't work for Lansdown, maybe he'll try a different method?

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12 minutes ago, Offside said:

Exactly the same failing as last week  - we stopped playing. All the things we did in the first half to control the game we stopped doing. Just before they got their first goal I made a comment to my son about how we seemed to have stopped pressing, allowing them to have their half to themselves. For both their goals we let them get in front of us rather than showing the determination to be first to the ball. When teams take their foot off the peddle it's difficult to get control of the game back - so in the end we were hanging on and lucky to get the point with their chance right at the death.

On the one hand a point gained, which I would have taken before the game. Overall, though, another two points wasted. 

Still all to play for, but very frustrating today.

 

To go with the 5 points lost in the previous games against poor teams. As you said, we gave them to much space and allowed them to play. Their first goal was absolutely needless. From the tv camera behind the goal Flint was marking nobody and shorty Wright was infront of his man and blind. Can remember this costing a goal in a previous match. Should Fielding have come for it? Not sure. Why was the inept Woodrow in the centre of defence on that free kick which they nearly scored from at the end of the game. What does our player Enkvall have to do to get a game in front of that loan player. Good that LJ is learning every game we cock up. Need a win now as confidence will dwindle away.

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14 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Brownhill looked tired. I think he may have jarred something , may have been playing for time but I doubt it. 
I would have brought Pato on for Kent before, slowed the game by holding onto the ball and stopped any rhythm we had. We still don't have the options, if Oneil is fit he'll probably start Vs Fulham and Cardiff, the only other choice is Walsh and it looks like LJ doesn't  trust him yet. Eliasson could have been part of a triple change I suppose, show we are still light in midfield options.

Oneill played his first competitive football of the season last Tuesday, 60 mins for the u23s. Can't really see him starting.

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#1 I am a fan of LJ and the club philosophy.

Next;

Woodrow should be nowhere near the first team

If we were going to go 451 then I’d rather have had Bobby stay upfront (he can almost  do the job of 2 with his energy and pressing) and bring Walsh on (he would look after the ball and ultimately help relieve pressure)

If not, Diony instead of Woodrow

Diedjou was clearly struggling so a little slow to make that change

Another game that not having a RB (and Wright) has cost us. I like Wright as a warrior, but at best, our 3rd choice CB. Another consistency of the season.

These are not thoughts with hindsight but ones which I had during the game.

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49 minutes ago, cityexile said:

Leeds played much better in the second half for sure, but from the half time scores two games in a row when you fancy the top five would have seen them both home for six points pretty comfortably

Just seemed to lose our control in midfield at half time, and carried very little threat. The worry as it has been for a while is that we do not really for the top six have a strong bench. Not the worst result in the world, but not looking great either.

We let them in by conceding a shocking first goal and thereby gave them a lift. So needless.

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4 minutes ago, CTRed said:

#1 I am a fan of LJ and the club philosophy.

Next;

Woodrow should be nowhere near the first team

If we were going to go 451 then I’d rather have had Bobby stay upfront (he can almost  do the job of 2 with his energy and pressing) and bring Walsh on (he would look after the ball and ultimately help relieve pressure)

If not, Diony instead of Woodrow

Diedjou was clearly struggling so a little slow to make that change

Another game that not having a RB (and Wright) has cost us. I like Wright as a warrior, but at best, our 3rd choice CB. Another consistency of the season.

These are not thoughts with hindsight but ones which I had during the game.

Sorry, but Diony would have been entirely wrong today, and Woodrow was a goid shout.

There were two teams out there today.  We bossed the first half; Leeds shook themselves up at half time and played very well in the second half.  A draw is a draw.  You might as well say that we didn’t win today because we didn’t have Aguero, or Kane, or any other player.  Fact is that with the squad we have we got a creditable draw at Leeds which, as Bobby Reed said, they who’d have taken before the game.

No disrespect, but Johnson is the manager, not you, and I think we’re having a pretty decent season.

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7 minutes ago, CTRed said:

#1 I am a fan of LJ and the club philosophy.

Next;

Woodrow should be nowhere near the first team

If we were going to go 451 then I’d rather have had Bobby stay upfront (he can almost  do the job of 2 with his energy and pressing) and bring Walsh on (he would look after the ball and ultimately help relieve pressure)

If not, Diony instead of Woodrow

Diedjou was clearly struggling so a little slow to make that change

Another game that not having a RB (and Wright) has cost us. I like Wright as a warrior, but at best, our 3rd choice CB. Another consistency of the season.

These are not thoughts with hindsight but ones which I had during the game.

Rather have our player Enkvall than the loaned Woodrow and also Diony. Diony hasn’t settled whereas Enkvall has and is more mobile than both. We keep taking him to games now but apart from 5 minutes at home recently when he looked sharp  with a couple of runs, he’s not had a chance yet.

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3 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Sorry, but Diony would have been entirely wrong today, and Woodrow was a goid shout.

There were two teams out there today.  We bossed the first half; Leeds shook themselves up at half time and played very well in the second half.  A draw is a draw.  You might as well say that we didn’t win today because we didn’t have Aguero, or Kane, or any other player.  Fact is that with the squad we have we got a creditable draw at Leeds which, as Bobby Reed said, they who’d have taken before the game.

No disrespect, but Johnson is the manager, not you, and I think we’re having a pretty decent season.

Leeds were short of a lot of first team players through injury plus three who were suspended and serving the last match. They were there for the taking. 

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41 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

Had we come back from being two nil down, everyone here would be delighted. Unfortunately it happened the other way around.

End result either way is one point away from home.

I don't think quite 'delighted'. You see we need a win. 

32 minutes ago, Aizoon said:

Nothing wrong with that result - if we hadn't been two goals up...

Quite right.

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6 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Sorry, but Diony would have been entirely wrong today, and Woodrow was a goid shout.

There were two teams out there today.  We bossed the first half; Leeds shook themselves up at half time and played very well in the second half.  A draw is a draw.  You might as well say that we didn’t win today because we didn’t have Aguero, or Kane, or any other player.  Fact is that with the squad we have we got a creditable draw at Leeds which, as Bobby Reed said, they who’d have taken before the game.

No disrespect, but Johnson is the manager, not you, and I think we’re having a pretty decent season.

Were having a pretty good season is correct. We are not now. We are sinking and need to sort ourselves out before we fall massively away from the playoffs and a major disappointment.

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53 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

**** off wirh this bullshit.

...I'm not an over the top negative bellend.....

I’m not going to debate with someone who uses this abusive, foul language....if you can’t reply without swearing and using immature terms then you may need to be the one to ‘get a grip’ as you advised a previous poster who dared to be upset that we have thrown away a sizeable lead, again....

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2 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I’m not going to debate with someone who uses this abusive, foul language....if you can’t reply without swearing and using immature terms then you may need to be the one to ‘get a grip’ as you advised a previous poster who dared to be upset that we have thrown away a sizeable lead, again....

He's trying to get himself a ban, really adult and clever really.

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6 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

I’m not going to debate with someone who uses this abusive, foul language....if you can’t reply without swearing and using immature terms then you may need to be the one to ‘get a grip’ as you advised a previous poster who dared to be upset that we have thrown away a sizeable lead, again....

No 'likes' left so have this alternative LIKE

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