Offside Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Apologies if any of this has been covered elsewhere. Manchester City had 82% possession. Incredible. A Liverpool player had number 66 on his shirt. Incredible in a different way. West Ham have had a torrid season, but they showed admirable grit and determination in their game today - hopefully something we can replicate on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatalist Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 I heard Alan Shearer say "It's a contact sport, it's not a foul everytime there is contact". About time we have some commonsense from pundits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Offside said: Apologies if any of this has been covered elsewhere. Manchester City had 82% possession. Incredible. A Liverpool player had number 66 on his shirt. Incredible in a different way. West Ham have had a torrid season, but they showed admirable grit and determination in their game today - hopefully something we can replicate on Monday. Manchester City are an incredible team, yes, we took it too them and were in no way embarrassed in either game, but my God can they play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Was going to mention the possession stats......incredible! For all that tho, only 4 shots on target. But scored 3. Highest possession stat for an away team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 31, 2018 Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 35 minutes ago, Offside said: Apologies if any of this has been covered elsewhere. Manchester City had 82% possession. Incredible. A Liverpool player had number 66 on his shirt. Incredible in a different way. West Ham have had a torrid season, but they showed admirable grit and determination in their game today - hopefully something we can replicate on Monday. **** west 'Am...their ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: **** west 'Am...their ***** Fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhistleHappy Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Robert the bruce said: **** west 'Am...their ***** 2 hours ago, Offside said: Fair point. Fair'ly' point'less' ....imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Fatalist said: I heard Alan Shearer say "It's a contact sport, it's not a foul everytime there is contact". About time we have some commonsense from pundits. Yet how many times has he said a player was entitled to go down when he felt contact, as all pundits do these days? Still, perhaps they'll all stop spouting that nonsense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 3 hours ago, chinapig said: Yet how many times has he said a player was entitled to go down when he felt contact, as all pundits do these days? Still, perhaps they'll all stop spouting that nonsense now. Perhaps it depends who's committed the foul? Centre half on forward in penalty area - definite foul. Forward on goal keeper - never in a million years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsfan Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Fatalist said: I heard Alan Shearer say "It's a contact sport, it's not a foul everytime there is contact". About time we have some commonsense from pundits. Alan Shearer has been as bad as the rest of the pundits over the years in excusing cheating with the line that he was "entitled to go down" (one of my most hated phrases). And he didn't have any bother going to ground easily when he was playing. But to be fair, I have noticed this season a much improved propensity from him to call a player out for cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 No doubt that Man Citeh, as the PL table shows are far superior to everyone else and that's down to two main factors 1) Money 2) Pep Gaurdiola Obviously a club needs plenty of cash to afford Pep in the first place but then even more cash to sign the players he wants and I wouldn't be surprised him signing Messi for next season................. It's not as if he needs him.... He's a truly top manager and possibly the best in the world. He's achieved success wherever he's been, granted with top players but they all want to play for him such is his standing in the game. No great surprise that LJ is one of his disciples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 1, 2018 Report Share Posted April 1, 2018 1 hour ago, redsfan said: Alan Shearer has been as bad as the rest of the pundits over the years in excusing cheating with the line that he was "entitled to go down" (one of my most hated phrases). And he didn't have any bother going to ground easily when he was playing. But to be fair, I have noticed this season a much improved propensity from him to call a player out for cheating. Beat me to it...ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Observations from MOTD2. The "overrated" Dele Ali deserves to take a bow for a simply stunning goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 23 hours ago, Robbored said: No doubt that Man Citeh, as the PL table shows are far superior to everyone else and that's down to two main factors 1) Money 2) Pep Gaurdiola Obviously a club needs plenty of cash to afford Pep in the first place but then even more cash to sign the players he wants and I wouldn't be surprised him signing Messi for next season................. It's not as if he needs him.... He's a truly top manager and possibly the best in the world. He's achieved success wherever he's been, granted with top players but they all want to play for him such is his standing in the game. No great surprise that LJ is one of his disciples. Disciple! Bristol City are hardly attempting to play like Manchester City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 On 31/03/2018 at 23:55, Fatalist said: I heard Alan Shearer say "It's a contact sport, it's not a foul everytime there is contact". About time we have some commonsense from pundits. But last night when an attacker was clattered, but the defenders toe also touched the ball, it was “never a penalty”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: Observations from MOTD2. The "overrated" Dele Ali deserves to take a bow for a simply stunning goal. Immaculate first touch followed by an instant finish. So hard to take the ball down like that when it comes over your shoulder. Great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Disciple! Bristol City are hardly attempting to play like Manchester City. I think LJ would love to play like Man Citeh do but obviously doesn't have the top quality players required at his disposal. That said, I can see definite similarities in the style LJ is trying to develop at City "our identity" he calls it. Mention Man Citeh to any football fan and they immediately think of the impressive style they adopt - Citeh's ' identity ' in other words. In my view LJ is trying to encourage/coach/train his squad into that style but given the fairly ordinary players he has it's a tough ask especially as none of them have played that style before. It's very unfamiliar to them so it'll take longer for them to become accustomed to it. That's why City's performances vary so much especially away from AG and exactly why LJ gets pissy when they don't perform in the way he wants. Its also why I think City will be far more consistent next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Gazred said: Immaculate first touch followed by an instant finish. So hard to take the ball down like that when it comes over your shoulder. Great stuff. Great finish Good player But over rated imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Robbored said: I think LJ would love to play like Man Citeh do but obviously doesn't have the top quality players required at his disposal. That said, I can see definite similarities in the style LJ is trying to develop at City "our identity" he calls it. Mention Man Citeh to any football fan and they immediately think of the impressive style they adopt - Citeh's ' identity ' in other words. In my view LJ is trying to encourage/coach/train his squad into that style but given the fairly ordinary players he has it's a tough ask especially as none of them have played that style before. It's very unfamiliar to them so it'll take longer for them to become accustomed to it. That's why City's performances vary so much especially away from AG and exactly why LJ gets pissy when they don't perform in the way he wants. Its also why I think City will be far more consistent next season. Starting at the back I see little similarity between the way Frank Fielding distributes the ball and Ederson or Bravo. If Bristol City were in any way attempting to adopt a similar style it has to start from building from the first third. Frank Fielding passing accuracy can go beneath 30% Ederson Saturday was 100%. That disparity in ability means Bristol City cannot be attempting to adopt similar philosophy. Bristol Citys patterns of play e.g. goal kicks are opposites. It is also a disparity in intent and philosophy at Man City losing that amount of possession is unacceptable - Harts inaccuracy and abilty was unacceptable. The reason Bristol Citys performances vary so much is tactical. Bristol City at for instance Cardiff played a entirely differing shape to the following Saturday and had a entirely differing approach to retention of the football. Bristol City adopt pomo and verticality - Man City do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: Starting at the back I see little similarity between the way Frank Fielding distributes the ball and Ederson or Bravo. If Bristol City were in any way attempting to adopt a similar style it has to start from building from the first third. Frank Fielding passing accuracy can go beneath 30% Ederson Saturday was 100%. That disparity in ability means Bristol City cannot be attempting to adopt similar philosophy. Bristol Citys patterns of play e.g. goal kicks are opposites. It is also a disparity in intent and philosophy at Man City losing that amount of possession is unacceptable - Harts inaccuracy and abilty was unacceptable. The reason Bristol Citys performances vary so much is tactical. Bristol City at for instance Cardiff played a entirely differing shape to the following Saturday and had a entirely differing approach to retention of the football. Bristol City adopt pomo and verticality - Man City do not. Read what I said Cowshed again. LJ doesn't have the players of the required quality FF included but the way Citeh play is a very effect style and I have absolutely no problem with LJ trying to adopt a similar style despite the limitations of his squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, Robbored said: eRead what I said Cowshed again. LJ doesn't have the players of the required quality FF included but the way Citeh play is a very effect style and I have absolutely no problem with LJ trying to adopt a similar style despite the limitations of his squad. I have read what you posted. Man City build from a base of possession from the Keeper forward. Bristol City do not. It is that simple. The primary stage of Pep Guardiolas football from Barcelona to Bayern to Man City is the Keeper. The Keeper influences that style defensively and offensively. Lee Johnson is not trying to adopt a similar style, or use tactics that parallel Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Cowshed said: I have read what you posted. Man City build from a base of possession from the Keeper forward. Bristol City do not. It is that simple. The primary stage of Pep Guardiolas football from Barcelona to Bayern to Man City is the Keeper. The Keeper influences that style defensively and offensively. Lee Johnson is not trying to adopt a similar style, or use tactics that parallel Man City. I know how the Citeh style works Cowshed and don't be surprised if we see another keeper this summer. As for not trying to adopt a similar style, we'll have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Just now, Robbored said: I know how the Citeh style works Cowshed and don't be surprised if we see another keeper this summer. As for not trying to adopt a similar style, we'll have to agree to disagree. Would you like to highlight how Bristol City use a similar style? Start with the Keeper and work outwards. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Cowshed said: Would you like to highlight how Bristol City use a similar style? Start with the Keeper and work outwards. . City are not there yet. It'll take time to educate average footballers, all unfamiliar with the style to adapt to it. We've seen glimpses as against Flum at AG but LJ and and his coaches have a long way to go. It'll never be as effective with lower quality players of course but at least trying to develop it is a positive sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 02/04/2018 at 18:27, Robbored said: City are not there yet. It'll take time to educate average footballers, all unfamiliar with the style to adapt to it. We've seen glimpses as against Fulham at AG but LJ and and his coaches have a long way to go. It'll never be as effective with lower quality players of course but at least trying to develop it is a positive sign. You did not disappoint. That is not an answer to the question. Would you like to highlight how Bristol City use a similar style to Man City? The answer is they do not. Look at the base of Bristol City in Fielding, Pisano, Flint, Wright ... How they use the ball is nothing ;like Man City building from the back. BCFC are not at the primary stage. There is no platform of possession. Brentford shared more similarity to Man City. At ease in possession. A lot of crosses though ... The idea of Bristol City being a fluent passing team is becoming myth like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo1 Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 I do not think Pisano really falls into this category. He has probably developed in an environment of the passing game. Unfortunately at the moment he is a little restricted in his options and is now being forced into hitting more hopeful balls but not out of choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisis what Crisis ? Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 4/1/2018 at 00:17, Robert the bruce said: **** west 'Am...their ***** .....ah the cut and thrust of debate....you gotta love it ( ...oh and it's ' they're ***** ' by the way...unless you're about to tell us something about their ***** ? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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